Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Tamas]

I am going to be positive and assume the low score on immigration is because they want to rejoin the Single Market, not because they want stricter controls.

[Richard Hakluyt]

The survey seems to be saying that half the Scots who would vote for independence don't even want independence 

[Gups]

And one for you I just saw an article bemoaning the massive scaling back of plans for Ebbsfleet. It was announced as a new "garden city" in the 2000s. It was all designed around Ebbsfleet Central which would be business development around the railway station, with seven new parks, primary schools, healths centres etc and around 15,000 homes all within a few minutes walk of the station (so not just terraces ). All the plans were for building largely on brownfield sites such as a former cement plant.

Following an environmental petition half the site has now been designated a Site of Special Scientific Interest because of the possible presence of some of Britain's rarest spiders. Ironically, from what I've read, the rare spiders actually live on the brownfield sites
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The site has been shaped by a number of industries including power generation, dredging, landfill and more than 150 years of chalk quarrying for cement production. These processes have left an incredible assortment of grassland, scrub, wetlands, grazing marsh and saltmarsh habitat, providing ideal conditions for a unique variety of wildlife.

OMG this is like a parody.

No really. It's a genuine SSSI. Contrary to what Sheilbh has said, the presence of rare spiders is just one of hundreds of reasons why it was designated. Designation hasn't prevented development of the very large brownfield site - there are loads of other issues.

[Josquius]

I am going to be positive and assume the low score on immigration is because they want to rejoin the Single Market, not because they want stricter controls.

Yeah,  Scotland wants more immigration. Its pretty well known the government wants this though I am surprised to see their influence over the masses holding so well.
This is an area where the UK really could learn from Switzerland and handle immigration on a local government level.
That way London and Scotland get the immigrants whilst other places get to say no foreigners allowed. And this will have little practical impact considering where foreigners go anyway.

[Sheilbh]

Gay map of England and Wales:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/maps/choropleth/identity/sexual-orientation/sexual-orientation-4a/lesbian-gay-bisexual-or-other-lgb

The ONS have tried experimental stats before but I think this is the first time they've had sexuality and gender identity on the census. On sexuality:


Surprising no-one, the gayest local authorities are Brighton, City of London and Lambeth.

And the first indication on gender identity:


In terms of numbers 1.5 million people identified as LGB+, while around 260,000 people said their gender identity did not match their sex registered at birth.

[Josquius]

Fairly basic stuff tbh which doesn't teach me too much other than what a Lambeth is.
I'd be fascinated to see this sort of thing cross referenced a bit more- e.g. do gays tend to be richer? And that then leads to questions over whether there's somehow a relationship or it means poorer people are closeted and whathaveyou.

I guess the unkowable question on the initial data I'd wonder about is who the not answering people are. Possibly me as one of them?

[garbon]

Fairly basic stuff tbh which doesn't teach me too much other than what a Lambeth is.
I'd be fascinated to see this sort of thing cross referenced a bit more- e.g. do gays tend to be richer? And that then leads to questions over whether there's somehow a relationship or it means poorer people are closeted and whathaveyou.

I find it interesting to see how it accords with my perceptions of how "gay" various neighborhoods are.

[Josquius]

Fairly basic stuff tbh which doesn't teach me too much other than what a Lambeth is.
I'd be fascinated to see this sort of thing cross referenced a bit more- e.g. do gays tend to be richer? And that then leads to questions over whether there's somehow a relationship or it means poorer people are closeted and whathaveyou.

I find it interesting to see how it accords with my perceptions of how "gay" various neighborhoods are.

Ah, missed the map and just looked at the high level data. It does look a bit more indepth than what Sheilbh posted earlier.
Looking at the map I guess it does somewhat hint towards my wealth level question.
Quite amazing to see some small areas near me are over 10%.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Anyone else surprised by how low the LGBT+ percentages are?

[Sheilbh]

I find it interesting to see how it accords with my perceptions of how "gay" various neighborhoods are.

Same. A lot is as expected - but there are also some surprises. Lincoln? Who knew

And just discovered I'm moving to the second straightest area of Southwark

Fairly basic stuff tbh which doesn't teach me too much other than what a Lambeth is.
I'd be fascinated to see this sort of thing cross referenced a bit more- e.g. do gays tend to be richer? And that then leads to questions over whether there's somehow a relationship or it means poorer people are closeted and whathaveyou.

I guess the unkowable question on the initial data I'd wonder about is who the not answering people are. Possibly me as one of them?

It is basic. It's also the first time we've ever had even this basic data which says something on its own.

But also there's stages of this. The ONS are still releasing the data from the census - at least for the next couple of weeks. They do the compiling and the release first, for the next few years after this they'll do the multi-variate analsysis. Not sure if they'll do wealth and sexuality.

[Josquius]

Anyone else surprised by how low the LGBT+ percentages are?

Not massively.
I'd say the key is to note is that this is self definition rather than hooking everyones genitals up to a machine and showing them erotic images.
I do think bisexual numbers vastly outnumber gay numbers however a large number of people who are inclined to be bisexual naturally end up choosing a side- most commonly being straight, partially due to odds of meeting someone being higher there and partially that its just easier in the bulk of the country.
Homosexuality being a widely accepted mainstream thing is still a fairly recent development on the grand scale. This is where cross referencing with age would be interesting for me- I would imagine quite the population pyramid that goes way beyond death rates for gay numbers.

[Sheilbh]

Anyone else surprised by how low the LGBT+ percentages are?

Yes-ish. It's a voluntary question, so probably only really people who are out and comfortable putting it on the census. But it is also the highest figure we've had - as I say previously we've only had experimental stats from the ONS but they were at a lower level.

Edit: Altough there was also a way to update the census online secretly if you didn't want to put your sexuality on the household census.

Homosexuality being a widely accepted mainstream thing is still a fairly recent development on the grand scale. This is where cross referencing with age would be interesting for me- I would imagine quite the population pyramid that goes way beyond death rates for gay numbers.

I think the age stats will be interesting and you can see university towns on that map so I think social shifts is certainly part of it. But on any age pyramid, I wouldn't underestimate the impact of AIDS on gay and bisexual men especially who are older than, say, 40.

[Gups]

Notably high correleation with university towns - compare Norwich with Ipswich for example.

[Gups]

Anyone else surprised by how low the LGBT+ percentages are?

I am, perhaps because I grew up with the Kinsey approximation of 10%

[Valmy]

Anyone else surprised by how low the LGBT+ percentages are?

Little surprised to not see more bisexuals. I figured they would be the most numerous LGBT+ types.