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Most diverse or divided nation in Europe?

Started by Queequeg, November 29, 2013, 12:02:39 PM

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Quote from: Tamas on November 29, 2013, 12:32:45 PM
backwards mountain Hungarians living in one big blob in the middle of the country, resisting all efforts to even start assimilating.

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Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Syt

Quote from: Queequeg on November 29, 2013, 12:30:18 PM
1 million, so 16 times more than speak Scottish Gaelic and maybe 300,000 more than speak Welsh.  And that's one regional language.

Gaelic is one thing.

But look at this and tell me, with a straight face, that it is English as spoken in the rest of the country.

Scottish Star Trek

By that token, Dutch and Germans share a language. :P
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Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 29, 2013, 12:18:09 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on November 29, 2013, 12:14:15 PM
I don't think so.  Welsh is only spoken in the far north-west, Scottish is hardly spoken at all, the entire country is Protestant.  Having 300 years of unified government does a lot to unify a country, too.

But they view themselves and each other as distinct people.  In your example everyone speaks Italian.

Careful now QQ is in one of his 'defining' moods, never mind the possibility that a majority of one nation could decide to swan off and form a separate country within the next two years.

QQ, how divided was Czechoslovakia in 1989 ?
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Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on November 29, 2013, 12:33:13 PM
Is Russia in Europe?

Do you want me to answer that?  :P
At least their language is Indo-European, Turanian.


My language is Finno-Ugric, thankyouverymuch.
I was using Turanian in it's classic non-Indo European sense.  It was used as a catch-all term for Steppe peoples for a thousand years by Iranians, and throughout the 19th Century and in to the 20th.  It was hard to think of an insulting catch-all term for Finno-Ugric peoples. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Queequeg

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Quote from: Syt on November 29, 2013, 12:48:01 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on November 29, 2013, 12:30:18 PM
1 million, so 16 times more than speak Scottish Gaelic and maybe 300,000 more than speak Welsh.  And that's one regional language.

Gaelic is one thing.

But look at this and tell me, with a straight face, that it is English as spoken in the rest of the country.

Scottish Star Trek

By that token, Dutch and Germans share a language. :P
I understood like 80% of that.  Granted, the UK has some pretty extreme dialects (and Scots, a different language separate from the Scottish English in that video), but I think you'd have a harder time understanding Swiss German as an inhabitant of Eastern Frisia than I did with that.    :huh:
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Razgovory

Italy is pretty screwy.  Spain and Belgium are up there as well.  Fortunately they've found a way to keep unified:  Every speaks English.
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I want Belgium to break up so the Netherlands can be restored to Union of Utrecht greatness.  :wub:
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

The Larch

Quote from: Queequeg on November 29, 2013, 12:33:49 PM
How would Spain rank?  I don't really know how well established non-Catalan/Valencian ethnic identities are.  I'd actually be interested in anecdotes on the subject.  Galician linguistically is far closer to Portuguese, and I would be interested to know how "Spanish" certain non-Castilian types view themselves.

We're pretty diverse, thanks. Slightly ahead of Italy, I'd say. What would you exactly want to know?

As for France, I'd say that it's a bit more diverse than people credit them.

Iormlund

Quote from: Queequeg on November 29, 2013, 12:33:49 PM
How would Spain rank?  I don't really know how well established non-Catalan/Valencian ethnic identities are.  I'd actually be interested in anecdotes on the subject.  Galician linguistically is far closer to Portuguese, and I would be interested to know how "Spanish" certain non-Castilian types view themselves.

One should not confuse Spain with Castille, even if most of us speak Castillian now.

The Larch

Quote from: Iormlund on November 29, 2013, 01:31:07 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on November 29, 2013, 12:33:49 PM
How would Spain rank?  I don't really know how well established non-Catalan/Valencian ethnic identities are.  I'd actually be interested in anecdotes on the subject.  Galician linguistically is far closer to Portuguese, and I would be interested to know how "Spanish" certain non-Castilian types view themselves.

One should not confuse Spain with Castille, even if most of us speak Castillian now.

Don't tell that to a Portuguese.  :P For them every spaniard is a castillian, except for basques and catalans. Us galicians are honourary portuguese.  :lol:

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Queequeg on November 29, 2013, 12:02:39 PM
Reading The Prague Cemetery, it's kind of amazing how completely divided 19th Century Italy was. 

Should've seen it in the Renaissance.

Diverse: showing a great deal of variety; very different.
Divided: separate or be separated into parts.

Spellus strikes again.