STAR TREK

[Crazy_Ivan80]

I really hope they retcon the burn because that is one stupid idea.

Its been in two series now, so unlikely. Unless the discovery timeline is the kelvin timeline?  they could just restart in the old timeline and ignore it ever happened, I guess.

Didn't the end of lower decks more or less wipe out the discovery timeline?
Advantage of multiverse: it can contain the good, the Kelvin and the nonsense

[Syt]

I don't think LD wipes Discovery. They crossed over with Strange New Worlds which is a direct continuation of Discovery. Also, in Disco, they had Kovac make a reference to  temporal agent who had crossed over from the Kelvin timeline, so Discovery is in the prime timeline.

[HVC]

For lower decks the portal could have crossed time and timelines. Don't know the kovac thing so have no counter for that .

*edit* But thinking it over discovery can't be kelvin because Kirk still has a dad as far as I know. So discovery wouldn't be kelvin. Maybe a 3rd timeline? If they wanted a wipe i mean. Don't think they would though. Since a vocal minority would pitch a fit. So rare in trek, I know . And at this point more bad PR is not what trek needs

[Grey Fox]

I don't think LD wipes Discovery. They crossed over with Strange New Worlds which is a direct continuation of Discovery. Also, in Disco, they had Kovac make a reference to  temporal agent who had crossed over from the Kelvin timeline, so Discovery is in the prime timeline.

How? SNW is pre-TOS?

Should I read the end of Discovery, I left that series after the 1st 900 years later season.

[Syt]

Yes, but James and George Kirk talk about their father like he's still alive (which he wouldn't be in the Kelvin timeline).

As for LD - Boimler and Mariner stepped through a time portal (they refer to it as time travel, not dimension hopping in later episodes of LD).

In the 3rd season (i.e. the time jump for Discovery), Georgiou suffered from a condition caused by having crossed from a parallel universe AND being displaced in time. Kovich then referenced an alternate reality created by a Romulan mining ship: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Yor

[Grey Fox]

Well, shit.

[HVC]

 

[celedhring]

So, out on a whim I rewatched The Undiscovered Country, and realized how much klingon leadership seems to have deteriorated from TOS era to TNG era. In the movie you get Chancellor "Klingon Lincoln" Gorkon, in TNG/DS9 you get... Gowron   

Chang is also a great clever and charismatic klingon villain although they overdo the "he quotes Shakespeare!" schtick.

I sometimes feel 1990s-2000s klingons are a bit too goofy, compared to the more serious approach of the classic series and movies. But I admit they are way too much fun.

[Syt]

TNG turned them into Space Vikings. But remember that only a few years earlier we had KLAA in ST5.

[HVC]

Ezri Dax calls that out in DS9 .

[celedhring]

So, I wanted to rewatch TNG, and found out it's not available in streaming in Spain for some reason. I guess some rights bondoggle since back in the time it got moved around networks like a hot potato, and some networks had the earlier seasons while other networks had the latter ones.

Anyway, so I dared to go and started rewatching TOS. I'm not really watching it start to finish, just some episodes that I know are famous (or infamous) or that I remember from my childhood.

Spectre of a Gun: watched this first because I saw the thumbnail with the nightmarish reddish western town and the memories of it came flooding back. Kirk and Co. piss off some psychic aliens that decide to murder them by putting them in a reenactment of the Duel of Ok Corral that happens in their minds. The atmosphere is fantastic, with the town that's just façades of buildings, the reddish light, the floating clock that marks the time to the duel, the Earps behaving like Westworld robots... The plot itself is just treading water and then the resolution is a bit eeeh. Spock goes "don't believe in the bullets!", and then the bullets don't harm them. Still, 8/10 just on atmosphere and vibes.

Changeling: Watched this because it's supposed to be an inspiration for Star Trek I and I can see why. The Enterprise picks up a lost Earth probe near a system that has just vanished, killing billions. The probe believes that Kirk is its creator and is obsessed in killing everything it deems imperfect, roving the Enterprise causing all kinds of havoc, like killing Scottie and erasing Uhura's mind. Spock is able to mind-meld with the probe and discovers it got fused with a more advanced alien probe and their programming got garbled in the process, turning it into the murderous machine obsessed with perfection. Eventually Kirk is able to talk the probe into killing itself, making it see it it's imperfect. A perfectly fine rogue AI story, although the way they "cure" Uhura by having her relearn everything from scratch is hilarious. 7/10

[celedhring]

Where no man has gone before: This is the first Star Trek episode I have memory of watching. It is the actual pilot with the Shatner cast, although it wasn't broadcast as such. Anyway, Enterprise investigates a ship lost with all hands when it tried to cross the intergalactic barrier, and when a strange shockwave hits the ship it kills several of the crew and gives two of them silver eyes and godlike powers. One of them goes crazy with power until Kirk manages to kill him with the help of the other, who is also fatally wounded. People with godlike powers is one of Star Trek's recurrent tropes, and the episode is decent enough, if a bit slow. As an interesting tidbit, when the man-turned-god magicks up a tomb for Kirk, the capstone reads "James R. Kirk" and not "James T. Kirk" I guess Rodenberry hadn't settled for "Tiberius" yet. 6.5/10

Patterns of Force: Nazi planet! The Enterprise arrives at a planet to check out on an envoy that has stopped sending reports, who also happened to be one of Kirk's mentors. When they arrive, they find the planet is ruled by Nazis, with swastikas and all, and that Kirk's mentor is the Fuhrer. Nazi hijinks ensue until Kirk and Co. discover that Kirk's mentor actually wanted to implement a "good" nazi regime (WTF), but his second-in-command eventually couped him and made him a figure-head, and the regime became purely tyrannical. The Enterprise crew eventually manages to free him and he sacrifices himself to bring down the regime. I understand that Rodenberry was playing with the idea of authoritarian regimes seen as more stable and efficient, which is sadly pretty relevant nowadays, but the idea of a history professor thinking that he can make a good nazi regime is pretty ludicrous. The episode isn't all that great either, but gets bonus for nazi villains. 6.5/10

[garbon]

I finally finished my watch of Voyager. While that ending was fun as a standalone, it felt like it didn't really close out the show.

I may have just had some used books arrive from the relaunched novel series that provide a proper ending.

[HVC]

Proper as in a rewrite, or as appending?

[garbon]

Proper as in a rewrite, or as appending?

Appending. Like the aftermath.