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Started by Jacob, February 16, 2025, 02:00:06 PM

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HVC

A tradeoff implies an understanding of what's being traded. I don't think the half of Americans suckling at the teat of fox and by extension trump knows what's going on.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: HVC on Today at 05:16:29 PMA tradeoff implies an understanding of what's being traded. I don't think the half of Americans suckling at the teat of fox and by extension trump knows what's going on.

indeed. Trading away what was probably the most beneficial and effective empire in history for... nothing.
Unless you're an oligarch of course.
But I guess nothing lasts forever

HVC

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on Today at 05:24:08 PM
Quote from: HVC on Today at 05:16:29 PMA tradeoff implies an understanding of what's being traded. I don't think the half of Americans suckling at the teat of fox and by extension trump knows what's going on.

indeed. Trading away what was probably the most beneficial and effective empire in history for... nothing.
Unless you're an oligarch of course.
But I guess nothing lasts forever

Perfect understanding isn't even required, and often isn't possible, but the basic lack of understanding is sad. It's been what, a year, and people still don't understand how tariffs work for example.

That's not to say the lefts voters are perfect, far from it. I've gone on the record with my feelings about the general voting public, but one party is trying to tear the world down and that's what should be the focus.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Valmy

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Quote from: DGuller on Today at 05:10:14 PMOne obvious explanation is that it represents the tradeoff between rights and risks that the US population on the whole is willing to tolerate.  It may be one you personally don't agree with, but that's hardly a mental illness of the political entity.

I am very cynical about it since it seems like it is driven because an industry benefits from this right. I don't see the US population fighting hard for the OTHER amendments. Without a powerful industry to benefit, they just don't get mobilized.

It seems weird to me that the US population really just organically believes that only this one amendment matters and all the others can be compromised into meaninglessness. I don't really think they believe that the Fourth Amendment doesn't matter because you can just gun down cops if they abuse it, so therefore only the second amendment matters. But you would be forgiven for thinking so considering how this one amendment seems to be held up as the only right worth having.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

HVC

I know its cliche to bring it up, but I'll do it anyway, but people always forget the well regulated militia part of the amendment. Its almost like the defense of the amendemnt is more because they like their shiny bang bang stick more so then for the love of the constitution. Which is a piece of paper that can be wrong anyway, hence the amendments :P
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.