Cuba vs Trump

[Syt]

Guess we might as well have the next Trumperialism thread.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c07j40dyx53o

Millions without electricity as Cuba's power grid collapses

Millions in Cuba have been left without power after the national electricity grid collapsed on Monday, the country's power operator says.

Much of the island including the capital, Havana, was plunged into darkness, with streets only illuminated by headlamps and battery-powered lights on Monday.

UNE, Cuba's grid operator, said early on Tuesday morning that it was gradually restoring electricity to provinces and cities around the country.

It is the latest in a series of widespread blackouts to hit the Caribbean island, where aging electricity infrastructure and chronic fuel shortages have been exacerbated by a US blockade on oil shipments to the communist-run nation.

Coupled with shortages of food and medicine, the situation has triggered rare public dissent in the form of street protests, which continued with people banging pots and pans in central Havana on Monday.

Unauthorised demonstrations are illegal in Cuba and those who defy the ban risk being jailed.

"It is not just the blackout," 26-year-old Havana resident Lázaro Hernández told news agency Reuters.

"There is no water because there is no electricity to run the pumps. There is no electricity, no food, no oil, no fuel, and private businesses have high prices because everything is going up now, since they have to move their goods by truck and transport. All of this is really very bad."

Meanwhile, Dayana Machin, also 26 and from Havana, was unsurprised by the blackout. "We're already used to living with this," she said.

Cuba, an island of around 10 million people, relies heavily on fuel imports.

Its regional ally Venezuela was believed to have sent around 35,000 barrels of oil a day - about half Cuba's oil needs - until its supplies were cut off following the seizure of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro by the US in early January.

US President Donald Trump has also threatened tariffs on any country supplying oil to Cuba.

It has been three months since the nation has received an oil shipment, Cuba's president, Miguel Díaz-Canel, said on Friday.

With the government in Venezuela now appearing to co-operate with the US, the Trump administration has turned its attention to the Latin American nation the US has shared the most animosity with since its revolution in 1959.

Trump told reporters at the White House on Monday that he believed he would have the "honour of taking Cuba".

"Whether I free it, take it, I could do anything I want with it, you want to know the truth," he said. "They're a very weakened nation right now."

He previously threatened a "friendly takeover" of Cuba and has urged it to "make a deal" or face unspecified consequences.

Díaz-Canel confirmed last week that his government was in the initial stages of talks with the Trump administration to resolve their differences.

At the same time, the Cuban government released 51 prisoners in what it described as a demonstration of "goodwill".

To mitigate the impact of the severe fuel shortage - that has also affected air travel and, with it, tourism to the island - Cuba has increased production of domestic crude and gas, as well as solar generation.

But its actions have yet to quell protests among Cubans, for whom power cuts have been a persistent source of public discontent.

A protest in the central city of Morón on Saturday devolved into a small group ransacking a local Communist Party office.

[crazy canuck]

At the same time, the Cuban government released 51 prisoners in what it described as a demonstration of "goodwill"

The Cubans haven't learned the lesson the rest of us now know.  Showing goodwill to the Americans at this point in history marks your nation as the next victim. 

[Josephus]

This has to be a crime against humanity. Basically the US is starving an entire nation of the resources to sustain itself. An embargo is one thing, but prohibiting other nations from supplying it is another.
Say what you want about Cuba,  the nation's people do not deserve this.
Will the Trump administration ever face justice for their crimes. I know Trump pre-empted prosecution for anything he does while in office; but what about everyone else?

[Syt]

This has to be a crime against humanity. Basically the US is starving an entire nation of the resources to sustain itself. An embargo is one thing, but prohibiting other nations from supplying it is another.
Say what you want about Cuba,  the nation's people do not deserve this.
Will the Trump administration ever face justice for their crimes. I know Trump pre-empted prosecution for anything he does while in office; but what about everyone else?

[crazy canuck]

This has to be a crime against humanity. Basically the US is starving an entire nation of the resources to sustain itself. An embargo is one thing, but prohibiting other nations from supplying it is another.
Say what you want about Cuba,  the nation's people do not deserve this.
Will the Trump administration ever face justice for their crimes. I know Trump pre-empted prosecution for anything he does while in office; but what about everyone else?

Nobody worries that Trump took the US into a war in support of a PM charged with war crimes. I am not sure anyone will worry too much about this further violation.

[Syt]

To quote Nemik from Andor S1:

"The pace of oppression outstrips our ability to understand it, and that is the real trick of the Imperial Thought Machine. It's easier to hide behind 40 atrocities than a single incident."

[The Minsky Moment]

Presidential pardons do not immunize the recipient from prosecution for violations of the laws of war where the venue is outside the United States. Nor does it prevent extradition.

This IMO is a very live issue for Pete Hegseth, who is implicated in several war crimes already.

[crazy canuck]

Presidential pardons do not immunize the recipient from prosecution for violations of the laws of war where the venue is outside the United States. Nor does it prevent extradition.

This IMO is a very live issue for Pete Hegseth, who is implicated in several war crimes already.

While you are technically correct, it would be near impossible to extradite someone like him from the United States. A US court would need to order that extradition.  How much faith do you have such an order would actually be made?

I realize how tempting it is to fall back on the before times legal norms. But all evidence is to the contrary in your country.

[Norgy]

I might start to think Trump did not deserve that FIFA Peace Prize. 

[The Brain]

Prediction: the US makes a poo-poo and goes cap in hand to NATO for help.

[Norgy]

Prediction: the US makes a poo-poo and goes cap in hand to NATO for help.

FFS, what are you doing here, and not raising zombie Olof Palme? 

[The Brain]

Prediction: the US makes a poo-poo and goes cap in hand to NATO for help.

FFS, what are you doing here, and not raising zombie Olof Palme? 

I'm not a fan of Cuba's regime.

[The Minsky Moment]

While you are technically correct, it would be near impossible to extradite someone like him from the United States. A US court would need to order that extradition.  How much faith do you have such an order would actually be made?

There is no way it would happen now, Trump would block it.

I could see it happen under some future administration, sure, assuming an investigation obtained sufficient evidence.  If a proper request was made by a country with a US treaty and a functional legal system, and if DOJ approved, the courts would be unlikely to block it.

[crazy canuck]

The functionality of the legal system of the foreign country making the request is not the problematic issue

[The Minsky Moment]

The legal system is functioning OK.  Except for the Supreme Court.  And the Immigration Courts. And the District court in Palm Beach.

Oh and also the Department of Justice. But the staff at this point is already so incompetent they can't do too much damage.  The US Attorneys' offices are still mostly OK.
Except for DC, New Jersey, Virginia, Minnesota, maybe a few others.

Otherwise, it's not too bad.