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Started by Jacob, September 24, 2012, 05:27:47 PM

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Tonitrus

QuoteTop Chinese general 'leaked nuclear secrets to US'

A top Chinese general ousted by Xi Jinping for a "serious violation of discipline" was accused of leaking nuclear secrets to the US, according to reports.

Gen Zhang Youxia, the operational leader of the People's Liberation Army (PLA), is facing allegations of handing Chinese nuclear weapons data to Washington, the Wall Street Journal reported.

The 75-year-old was dismissed on Saturday. During a closed-door briefing with top military officers, Gen Zhang was also accused of accepting a bribe to promote a senior officer to defence minister and forming "political cliques".

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/top-chinese-general-leaked-nuclear-203443057.html

The nuclear part was first reported by the Wall Street Journal, but their article is paywalled.

QuotePurge of top Chinese general throws military into turmoil, raises questions about Taiwan

"This is a reminder coming directly from President Xi Jinping, that political loyalty stands well before combat readiness," one analyst told NBC News.

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The Chinese Defense Ministry said in a statement Saturday that Gen. Zhang Youxia, vice chairman of the Central Military Commission which controls the armed forces, was under investigation and accused of serious "violations of discipline and law."

Liu Zhenli, another People's Liberation Army general and a lower member of the commission who was in charge of the Joint Staff Department, was also put under investigation, the ministry said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/china/china-xi-jinping-general-zhang-corruption-purge-taiwan-invasion-rcna255911

Tonitrus

Some of the commentary I've seen is along the lines of "OMG PLA readiness", but others have speculated this a move that makes a attack on Taiwan more likely,  not less.

Baron von Schtinkenbutt

I get that impression from the NY Times article on the subject.  It seems this move is about Xi taking full, direct control of the PLA and getting rid of someone who might actually push back against saber-rattling.  Taiwan would be the obvious target, but China has been getting increasingly aggressive about the entire Nine Dash Line.

Sheilbh

And on preparedness I think the question is the extent to which the operational bit of the PLA is distinct from the political/party leadership?

For example lots of Chinese state institutions are very impressive, effective, responsive technocracies (and they have to be because the political wind can change very quickly) in spite of party and political issues in that part of the "institution". Not sure to what extenct that applies to the operational part of the PLA.
Let's bomb Russia!

The Minsky Moment

Seems like this guy was a real soldier who went up through the ranks.  You never know re corruption allegations but the claim he spied for the USA seems hard to believe.  Very Stalinesque vibes here.
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Tonitrus

My feeling with "corruption" allegations in places like China is that the basis of the charges are things that everyone does all of the time, including the accusers...it is just that the accused find themselves on the underside of the power curve at a time it becomes convenient to bring them up.

Jacob

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A few thoughts on this:

CCP internal politics (and business for that matter) is all about networks of mutual trust and clientage. It's only when those networks are not aligned with the main leader that they get called "cliques".

My understanding on PLA organization and preparedness is that the corruption is endemic and often fundamental to how the system works. It probably won't really be shaken out until the PLA has to act for real, at which point we'll find out if the slack and extra capacity built into the system is enough to overcome the friction that corruption causes (as well as all the other friction from other sources, of course).