What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Zoupa]

Please tell me where I was virtue signaling, using the criteria you described above.

Intellectual dishonesty 
Invented facts
Distorted statements

Please show where I debased myself to show the in-group I belong. Please define who this in-group would be on this very limited and small public of this message board.

I think I already did.  You refuse to admit the existence of homeless people who, by virtue of their mental issues, are incapable of gainful employment, and thus incapable of benefiting from the purported benefits of living wage legislation.

I have never refused to admit the existence of homeless people who, by virtue of their mental issues, are incapable of gainful employment. These people exist of course. When did I say they didn't?

I thought your devil's advocate schtick was useful, but clearly you don't mind debasing yourself by flinging accusations and blatantly making stuff up when you don't like the narrative.

You are a liar.

[Admiral Yi]

But then you can flip that and say that you're doing the same by refusing to admit the existence of homeless who don't have mental issues and are thus capable of benefiting from the purported benefits of living wage legislation, can you not?

I don't recall doing that.

[Zoupa]

lol. The irony is truly wasted.

[HVC]

But then you can flip that and say that you're doing the same by refusing to admit the existence of homeless who don't have mental issues and are thus capable of benefiting from the purported benefits of living wage legislation, can you not?

I don't recall doing that.

"Legislation for wages can help the the homeless:

"You can't help the crazy"

Does that not defacto ignore the non crazy poor? You're refuting zoupas point by calling on the the crazy homeless thus ignoring ir invalidating the non crazy homeless.

[HVC]

Or put another way zoupa is commenting on a whole group (homeless) and you're carving out a subsect (crazy homeless) to say his point on the whole is flawed. That, to me, seems dishonest. There's probably a fancy name  for this tactic in arguments,  but I'm not smart enough to know what it is 

[Admiral Yi]

Or put another way zoupa is commenting on a whole group (homeless) and you're carving out a subsect (crazy homeless) to say his point on the whole is flawed. That, to me, seems dishonest. There's probably a fancy name  for this tactic in arguments,  but I'm not smart enough to know what it is 

He wasn't commenting on a whole group.  He chose to talk about the homeless that Raz brought up.  I went back and reread his post, and he does not explicitly say he's talking about crazies, but I thought it was clear from his previous posts of the types of homeless he had encountered he was talking about the guys who talk to themselves and jerk off on the park bench.  He later confirmed this was accurate.

[Zoupa]

It was not clear, but you still decided to accuse me of virtue signaling, lying, distorting facts and debasing myself.

You are a liar.

[Admiral Yi]

It was not clear, but you still decided to accuse me of virtue signaling, lying, distorting facts and debasing myself.

You are a liar.

It arguably was not clear, but in proceding as you did, you ruled out the possibility Raz was talking about crazies, people not capable of the benefiting from a living wage.  You ignored their existence because it does not fit your preconcieved perfect fix to homelessness.  That's intellectually dishonest.

[Zoupa]

It was not clear, but you still decided to accuse me of virtue signaling, lying, distorting facts and debasing myself.

You are a liar.

It arguably was not clear, but in proceding as you did, you ruled out the possibility Raz was talking about crazies, people not capable of the benefiting from a living wage.  You ignored their existence because it does not fit your preconcieved perfect fix to homelessness.  That's intellectually dishonest.

Here's what I said.

"Passing a living wage law would reduce the amount of people becoming homeless because they can't afford housing."

Notice the word "becoming".

I never even mentioned the mentally ill, I merely said a living wage would help lower the homeless numbers.

Somehow, this fact-proven, non-controversial statement made you say I was virtue-signaling.

You then said I was intellectually dishonest, invented facts, distorted statements and debased myself.

You are a liar.

[Admiral Yi]

You said many things.  Here's the one at issue.

Most of the homeless I see do not have a job so a living wage would probably not help them much.

You don't think a living wage could have prevented them from being homeless?

Well no.  A living wage doesn't help people who do not have a job.

Why do you even post here?

[The Minsky Moment]

Does living wage encompass UBI?  Because then it can benefit people who can't get a job. 

[Zoupa]

You said many things.  Here's the one at issue.

Most of the homeless I see do not have a job so a living wage would probably not help them much.

You don't think a living wage could have prevented them from being homeless?

Well no.  A living wage doesn't help people who do not have a job.

Why do you even post here?

And here's why I responded that way to Raz being intentionally obtuse.

Maybe the policies of those states are driving inequality?

Maybe! I guess we'll never know. :sad:

Why are you even posting here?

You are still a liar.

[Josquius]

Does living wage encompass UBI?  Because then it can benefit people who can't get a job. 

Even without that there's also the big picture economics of higher wages meaning more money actually being spent in the economy and creating more jobs.

[Syt]

Does "homeless" include people who have low income jobs and live in their cars?

[Zoupa]

Does "homeless" include people who have low income jobs and live in their cars?

Of course not. It only means a subcategory I pick, don't disclose, then use to make my points while insulting other posters.

Learn the rules, Syt.