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Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Syt

Meanwhile in Texas.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/fort-worth-rep-nicole-collier-spend-night-house-floor-democrats/3906887/

QuoteFort Worth Rep. Nicole Collier to spend a second night on the House floor, joined by other Democrats

Rep. Nicole Collier, D-Fort Worth, refused to sign a permission slip assigning an officer to escort her until the Texas House convenes Wednesday. It's part of the back-and-forth in the fight over redistricting.

Pictured wearing a bonnet and draped with a blanket while sleeping on the Texas House floor Monday night, Collier is expected to spend Tuesday night inside the Capitol after refusing to sign a paper assigning an officer to watch her.

"The speaker has said that unless members, Democratic members, sign a piece of paper agreeing to be released into the custody of DPS to ensure a return on Wednesday at 10 a.m., we are not free to leave, and I have refused to sign," Collier said in an interview with NBC News Monday night.

On Tuesday afternoon, at least four other Democratic lawmakers, Reps. Mihaela Plesa, Rhetta Bowers, Penny Morales Shaw and Casandra Garcia Hernandez ripped up their permission slips to join Collier.

"I didn't feel like I should be obligated to sign a piece of paper to be able to leave the floor, because we're all adults here. It's a show of power over people, and that's what they're doing now. They're showing that they have power over us, and that's why they're using the force of law enforcement," Collier said.

After spending two weeks out of state to break quorum, Texas House Democrats who fled to Chicago returned to Austin on Monday.

They left the state in protest of Gov. Greg Abbott's push to pass new congressional maps during the first special session. Former President Donald Trump has pressed Texas lawmakers to redraw the lines to give Republicans five more seats in Congress in next year's midterm elections.

Now that the Texas House Democrats are back, there are enough members present for a quorum.

As a consequence for leaving the state during the special session, Democrats must pay $500 per day missed.

House Speaker Dustin Burrows, R-Lubbock, also ordered Democrats to sign a permission slip to have a DPS officer escort them across the state until they return Wednesday for the second special session.

In a statement, Burrows said, "Rep. Collier's choice to stay and not sign the permission slip is well within her rights under the House Rules. I am choosing to spend my time focused on moving the important legislation on the call to overhaul camp safety, provide property tax reform and eliminate the STAAR test — the results Texans care about."

"It's a waste of money by the state. These DPS officers could be looking for pedophiles and human traffickers, but instead, they're being asked to trail Democratic state representatives to ensure that they return to the Capitol so that they can pass their racist maps. They know no bounds to their quest for power at the cost of Black and Brown voters," Collier said.

Collier, who is in her seventh term, also filed a legal complaint in court arguing the government doesn't have the power to compel any Texas citizen or elected official into pre-emptive custody.

"Because of the political theater, they're saying that we have to get permission to leave, to come back, and while we're gone, we have to be in the custody of a DPS officer, and there's no crime that has been committed yet. We are being instructed that if I want to leave, I've got to agree to be in their custody," Collier said, implying it would be different if they were in session.

She said she's only allowed in the chambers or her office, and can't leave the Capitol without a Department of Public Safety officer.

In a statement, she wrote, "I refuse to sign away my dignity as a duly elected representative just so Republicans can control my movements and monitor me with police escorts. When I press that button to vote, I know these maps will harm my constituents — I won't just go along quietly with their intimidation or their discrimination."

On Tuesday, Democratic county leaders in Dallas and Tarrant counties expressed their support for Collier's actions during commissioners court.

"I want to say thank to Rep. Collier for her principled stance on defense of legislative dignity and democratic representation," said Alisa Simmons, Tarrant County commissioner for Precinct 2. "While the others signed the permission slip, Rep. Collier said, 'No way, I'm not doing it. Rep. Collier understood that signing such a document, treatment as something less than a full citizen and an elected official.'"

Dallas County Commissioner John Wiley Price said during their meeting, "Thank you for the courage to do what everybody else should have done. Don't sign no permission slip."

As the political theater plays out on both sides of the aisle, experts say the outcome is already decided.

"No, it will make no difference to the ultimate outcome. Republicans are going to pass their map intact or very nearly so tomorrow. It's already passed the Texas Senate. It needs only the approval of the House, and they have no inclination and frankly no reason to make any alterations or to make any concessions to Democrats," said Matthew Wilson, political science professor at Southern Methodist University. "So there's nothing that the Democrats can do to obstruct the eventual outcome here. All of their efforts have been aimed at raising the national salience of this issue and at triggering efforts in other states to try to offset what Republicans are doing here."

He said from a political standpoint, it raises Collier's profile.

"In return, it really raises her profile and gets attention both in her own district and statewide and earns goodwill among Democratic activists who are really angered about this whole redistricting process as it has unfolded," Wilson said. "So it was a wise political move on her part."

Wilson said the recent events have been remarkable.

"It's been pretty remarkable. It certainly has dialed up the intensity beyond what we've seen even in previous quorum breaks. And Texas is kind of unusual in having these quorum breaks because most states just require a majority of the legislature to be present to create a quorum. Texas is unusual in requiring two-thirds, and that's what allows the potential for these kinds of theatrics and these prolonged flights out of state. But you know the Republicans have played hardball this time to a greater extent than they have in the past—levying fines, issuing arrest warrants, releasing these Democratic state legislators only upon signing these pledges to return and subject to DPS surveillance. So it really has been a remarkable escalation in the level of partisan hostility that we've seen in Austin."





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Oexmelin

Quote from: Syt on August 20, 2025, 09:37:13 AMEven if courts might rule against the EO, the Republicans have been ramping up against judges overstepping or making illegal rulings, so at a minimum they might create a lot of confusion/doubt about the legitimacy of the vote among parts of the electorate (especially their own voters) and further discredit the House and Senate, even if Democrats should take back a majority.

Yes. It's about reinforcing the narrative that all elections won by democrats are stolen. And yes, they will declare the mail in ballots invalid. Regardless of what the courts say. If they say anything.
Que le grand cric me croque !

garbon

Quote from: Oexmelin on August 20, 2025, 10:16:34 AM
Quote from: Syt on August 20, 2025, 09:37:13 AMEven if courts might rule against the EO, the Republicans have been ramping up against judges overstepping or making illegal rulings, so at a minimum they might create a lot of confusion/doubt about the legitimacy of the vote among parts of the electorate (especially their own voters) and further discredit the House and Senate, even if Democrats should take back a majority.

Yes. It's about reinforcing the narrative that all elections won by democrats are stolen. And yes, they will declare the mail in ballots invalid. Regardless of what the courts say. If they say anything.

They have already pushed that narrative without any evidence and despite Trump's campaign encouraging people to vote via mail and benefiting from it in the last election. I don't see why the need this move to enforce that idea. The people susceptible to it have already succumbed.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: garbon on August 20, 2025, 06:02:48 AMI am not sure I follow. What exactly would be done? Like California has mail in voting. How does court or Trump stop that bar sending in troops? Or say Trump threatening to cut federal funds.

Trump has already sent troops into California on a bullshit pretext. Declare martial law to prevent the imminent lawlessness of violation of his EXECUTIVE ORDER?  Who is going to stop him if he did?
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

garbon

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 20, 2025, 12:04:13 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 20, 2025, 06:02:48 AMI am not sure I follow. What exactly would be done? Like California has mail in voting. How does court or Trump stop that bar sending in troops? Or say Trump threatening to cut federal funds.

Trump has already sent troops into California on a bullshit pretext. Declare martial law to prevent the imminent lawlessness of violation of his EXECUTIVE ORDER?  Who is going to stop him if he did?


If he did, I don't think the issue would be his executive order against mail in voting. We would have gone far beyond that issue.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

HVC

There's always a pretext needed, this is as good as any. Martial law will protect the vote. The right vote for the white vote*



*white Hispanics may or may not be included depending in the needed outcome.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

garbon

Quote from: HVC on August 20, 2025, 12:33:30 PMThere's always a pretext needed, this is as good as any. Martial law will protect the vote. The right vote for the white vote*



*white Hispanics may or may not be included depending in the needed outcome.

For DC, he just made it up. Made up slogan crime was at an all time high.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: garbon on August 20, 2025, 11:43:30 AM
Quote from: Oexmelin on August 20, 2025, 10:16:34 AM
Quote from: Syt on August 20, 2025, 09:37:13 AMEven if courts might rule against the EO, the Republicans have been ramping up against judges overstepping or making illegal rulings, so at a minimum they might create a lot of confusion/doubt about the legitimacy of the vote among parts of the electorate (especially their own voters) and further discredit the House and Senate, even if Democrats should take back a majority.

Yes. It's about reinforcing the narrative that all elections won by democrats are stolen. And yes, they will declare the mail in ballots invalid. Regardless of what the courts say. If they say anything.

They have already pushed that narrative without any evidence and despite Trump's campaign encouraging people to vote via mail and benefiting from it in the last election. I don't see why the need this move to enforce that idea. The people susceptible to it have already succumbed.

because propaganda needs to be repeated over and over and over

Jacob

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on August 20, 2025, 01:56:33 PMbecause propaganda needs to be repeated over and over and over

Yeah, propaganda and the systemic subversion of norms and laws are not a one-and-done kind of thing, but an ongoing project that requires continuous effort.

Tamas


Savonarola

Trump says the Smithsonian focuses too much on 'how bad slavery was'

It gets worse, my local library has two copies of "Uncle Tom's Cabin."  Clearly the woke mind virus is out of control.

Trump's entire Truth Social post was:

Quote"The Smithsonian is OUT OF CONTROL, where everything discussed is how horrible our Country is, how bad Slavery was, and how unaccomplished the downtrodden have been — Nothing about Success, nothing about Brightness, nothing about the Future."

"We are not going to allow this to happen, and I have instructed my attorneys to go through the Museums, and start the exact same process that has been done with Colleges and Universities where tremendous progress has been made,"

The shocking true story of when a collection of museums, research centers and a zoo go OUT OF CONTROL!

In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

Sheilbh

It is a disgrace that museums contain nothing about the Future.
Let's bomb Russia!

Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: Sheilbh on August 20, 2025, 03:53:16 PMIt is a disgrace that museums contain nothing about the Future.

a museum about dictatorship would contain something about the american future

Tonitrus

Quote from: Tamas on August 20, 2025, 03:26:00 PMThis random guy has a point: https://www.reddit.com/r/CringeTikToks/s/GcQMwtZdZk

Honest/non-troll counterpoint...how many mass, armed-with-guns protests were there in eastern Europe during the fall of the communist regimes there?

(the more extreme events in Romania noted in advance)

Savonarola

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on August 20, 2025, 04:05:23 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on August 20, 2025, 03:53:16 PMIt is a disgrace that museums contain nothing about the Future.

a museum about dictatorship would contain something about the american future

The Smithsonian should get ahead of the curve and start selling candles of Trump, the way that the House of Terror museum in Budapest has candles of Lenin and Stalin.
In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock