Quo Vadis, Democrats?

[Zoupa]

UNWANTED

[Syt]

"What do you mean by 'unwanted'? How do you define 'wanted'? How do you define 'un'?" - Jordan Peterson

[HVC]

Yi, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make? You wouldn't know that unwanted groping and kissing of (multiple) employees is wrong unless Cuomo got in trouble for it first?

Grope is a magic word that by definition is wrong.  I want to know what the line is between a grope and innocuous contact between a man and a woman.  Cuomo's defense at the time was that he came from a hugging culture. 

Grope has a pretty clear definition. Well I guess two, but unless Cuomo's eyesight is a lot worse then I know of and he's blindly reaching out to  oopsy assault someone But fine, let's be generous, how many instances of innocuous nonconsensual incidents does one allow? I could in good conscience allow one hug of someone you thought you were closer with than you actually were. When you can no longer count said incidents on one hand does it seem suspiciously like a flimsy excuse? Blaming culture is weird. Granted i'm a few decades younger, but I come from a touchy culture too. Cheek to cheek hellos and all. Doing that at work would be really out of line with college and down right creepy with subordinates.

And that ignores kissing someone, don't know how you accidentally do that because of your culture

[celedhring]

Regarding hugging, I remember when I came to the US. Well, I am also wired to be a hugger, being Southern European and all, but I quickly realized it made people uncomfortable over there - also you're supposed to hug your acquaintances, not random people you meet. It was one of those, "damn, you're not in Kansas Spain anymore". So I stopped doing it outside of people that found it endearing.

It's not so hard, and I wasn't even born in the US like Cuomo.

Same with touching, kissing, etc... we are a more physical culture, but you know, even over here you get with whom you can do it and with whom you can't. Also, Cuomo held a position of power.

[Zoupa]

"What do you mean by 'unwanted'? How do you define 'wanted'? How do you define 'un'?" - Jordan Peterson

  

Reminds me of this:

[Admiral Yi]

Grope has a pretty clear definition. Well I guess two, but unless Cuomo's eyesight is a lot worse then I know of and he's blindly reaching out to  oopsy assault someone But fine, let's be generous, how many instances of innocuous nonconsensual incidents does one allow? I could in good conscience allow one hug of someone you thought you were closer with than you actually were. When you can no longer count said incidents on one hand does it seem suspiciously like a flimsy excuse? Blaming culture is weird. Granted i'm a few decades younger, but I come from a touchy culture too. Cheek to cheek hellos and all. Doing that at work would be really out of line with college and down right creepy with subordinates.

And that ignores kissing someone, don't know how you accidentally do that because of your culture

But we don't know if he groped or kissed women, or if he did kiss them what kind of kiss it was.  All I've got is sexually harassed and unwanted sexual contact.  I want to know what Cuomo did to get those labels.

[garbon]

Grope has a pretty clear definition. Well I guess two, but unless Cuomo's eyesight is a lot worse then I know of and he's blindly reaching out to  oopsy assault someone But fine, let's be generous, how many instances of innocuous nonconsensual incidents does one allow? I could in good conscience allow one hug of someone you thought you were closer with than you actually were. When you can no longer count said incidents on one hand does it seem suspiciously like a flimsy excuse? Blaming culture is weird. Granted i'm a few decades younger, but I come from a touchy culture too. Cheek to cheek hellos and all. Doing that at work would be really out of line with college and down right creepy with subordinates.

And that ignores kissing someone, don't know how you accidentally do that because of your culture

But we don't know if he groped or kissed women, or if he did kiss them what kind of kiss it was.  All I've got is sexually harassed and unwanted sexual contact.  I want to know what Cuomo did to get those labels.

Okay, perv.

[garbon]

Also as the report is public, why don't you read it yourself. Here's from early page of the complaints:

As described in greater detail below, over time, the Governor's behavior toward Executive Assistant #1 escalated to more intimate physical contact, including regular hugs and kisses on the cheek (and at least one kiss on the lips), culminating in incidents where the
Governor grabbed Executive Assistant #1's butt while they took a selfie in the Executive Mansion, and where the Governor, during a hug, reached under Executive Assistant #1's blouse
and grabbed her breast.

[HVC]

From the wiki link zoupa provided. Two separate victims.

Boylan further elaborated on her accusations in February 2021, claiming Cuomo goaded her to play strip poker with him while on a flight in 2017 and forcibly kissed her on the mouth in his Manhattan office.

After the aide told him it would get him in trouble, Cuomo then shut the door and said "I don't care." He then returned and groped one of her breasts over her bra by reaching under her blouse.

I just searched for "kiss" and "grope" so there might be other incidents. That's pretty hardcore for hugging culture . One or even two incidents can be thrown away as misunderstandings I suppose, or even vindictive lies if one is so inclined, but once you get to 11 the room is pretty Smokey to claim there's not a fire.

[Zoupa]

But we don't know if he groped or kissed women, or if he did kiss them what kind of kiss it was.  All I've got is sexually harassed and unwanted sexual contact.  I want to know what Cuomo did to get those labels.

He got the "unwanted sexual contact" label because the women involved did not want sexual contact. Why is this so hard to understand.

[Admiral Yi]

He got the "unwanted sexual contact" label because the women involved did not want sexual contact. Why is this so hard to understand.

Because I did not know what the unwanted sexual contact consisted of.  Now I now.

[HVC]

If being Mr. Touchy-Feely doesn't get Cuomo on your bad side what about fiscal malfeasance? He used state resources to write his book. Then claimed his employees just wanted to help him out on government time (and pay)

[garbon]

He got the "unwanted sexual contact" label because the women involved did not want sexual contact. Why is this so hard to understand.

Because I did not know what the unwanted sexual contact consisted of.  Now I now.

Got it, so you were just too lazy to look it up?

[HVC]

Same with touching, kissing, etc... we are a more physical culture, but you know, even over here you get with whom you can do it and with whom you can't. Also, Cuomo held a position of power.

You missed your chance to feel up some pretty American girls guilt and prosecution free, Oh well, live and learn

[Admiral Yi]

Got it, so you were just too lazy to look it up?

Why are you such an angry little man?