Quo Vadis, Democrats?

[Eddie Teach]

And yes I know the leafs suck. they have done so my whole life

Things will be different next year!

The long suffering Seattle Supersonics fans finally got a chip after 46 years.   

[Sophie Scholl]

Andrew Cuomo is running third party now after losing in the primary by a wide margin. Ugh. It's the repeat of India Walton in Buffalo and I am pissed. So much for that whole, "Blue no matter who" bs, eh? I guess I shouldn't be surprised that a repeat sexual harasser doesn't understand the concept of "no means no" though. 

[Valmy]

Yeah. Kind of a dick move by Cuomo to oppose his own party's nominee but not unprecedented. Joe Leiberman did it back in the day.

Be interesting to see if the party supports its own nomination in this case.

[DGuller]

At least to the people who complain about elections being a choice between two shit options, NYC shows that it can be a choice between four shit options.  Cuomo, as shit as he is, may well be the least shitty of the four.

[Josquius]

 

At least to the people who complain about elections being a choice between two shit options, NYC shows that it can be a choice between four shit options.  Cuomo, as shit as he is, may well be the least shitty of the four.

Zohran seems pretty good. The only decent criticism of him I cam see is the one of being an outsider on the centre left and his odds of winning with the public at large being low (in theory. In reality.... Let's see)

[celedhring]

As somebody who's quite left of center, I think some of Mamdani's proposals are a bit counter productive. Public supermarkets won't work, rent control won't work. There is some smarter stuff in there though - like his plans to increase house supply, rehabilitation, etc...-, although not sure how easy it can be implemented. My impression with NYC - back when I lived there - is that there just isn't enough money to do all the investment required to rehabilitate public services.

But the alternatives are a machine politician and probable sexual harasser, a corrupt major who's turned to Trump to escape justice action, and the GOP is running somebody who seems to run a vigilante group? Hot damn, New York. Yeah, I would vote Mamdani on a hearthbeat.

[The Minsky Moment]

IIRC the public supermarket proposal is to have one in each borough.  Don't really see the harm or the benefit.  Seems like a showpiece.

Rent control OTOH is an act of policy vandalism.

I agree that the choices weren't great.  Lander was also calling for a rent freeze.

Cuomo's harassment issues were just the tip of the iceberg.  Apple fell far from the tree.

GOP had a real opportunity to steal one here but went for the unintentional comic relief candidate instead.

[Neil]

GOP had a real opportunity to steal one here but went for the unintentional comic relief candidate instead.

It seems like anybody who isn't a clown is being ejected from the GOP.  Is that really that surprising?  They can only get away with it because the Democrat brand is so bad. 

[Valmy]

At least to the people who complain about elections being a choice between two shit options, NYC shows that it can be a choice between four shit options.  Cuomo, as shit as he is, may well be the least shitty of the four.

Well obviously we have a fundamental disagreement here. I want a return to the spirit of the New Deal and bold new ideas to address issues. That is why I think guys like Yang and Mamdani are preferable to business as usual. But I get it, it is risky and some of their ideas will fail. We disagree, reasonable minds can disagree.

But if Cuomo had won the primary, how shitty would it have been for Mamdani to refuse the verdict of the Democratic voters and hop in as a third party candidate? It is outrageous for a man who failed to win over the voters to betray his own party like this. You lost by double digits man, you have to at least pretend to care about the will of the voters. But no lets us refuse to accept the verdict and go in to try to undermine the party in the general. This looks really bad after refusing to allow a real Primary against Biden and then just anointing Kamala Harris. Come on Democrats, at least try to appeal to your own voters from time to fucking time.

[Valmy]

IIRC the public supermarket proposal is to have one in each borough.  Don't really see the harm or the benefit.  Seems like a showpiece.

Rent control OTOH is an act of policy vandalism.

But here is the deal man. Those issues, food and shelter accessibility, MUST be solved. By any means necessary. How bullshit is it that after decades of all this supposed efficiency and economic growth we somehow do a shittier job at stuff like this than we did 50 years ago? That is a basic failure of the market. And all over the country now food deserts are developing where people just don't have access to grocery stores.

Now granted New York City certainly isn't one of those places, so I assume this has something to do with costs. And yes that proposal sounds like a pilot project instead of a real solution, so I hope it is just one avenue that would be pursued. Government pilot projects rarely ever seem to get scaled up even if they are shown to be successful. I don't know.

But radical solutions need to be considered. Status quo isn't going to work.

[garbon]

At least to the people who complain about elections being a choice between two shit options, NYC shows that it can be a choice between four shit options.  Cuomo, as shit as he is, may well be the least shitty of the four.

Well obviously we have a fundamental disagreement here. I want a return to the spirit of the New Deal and bold new ideas to address issues. That is why I think guys like Yang and Mamdani are preferable to business as usual. But I get it, it is risky and some of their ideas will fail. We disagree, reasonable minds can disagree.

But if Cuomo had won the primary, how shitty would it have been for Mamdani to refuse the verdict of the Democratic voters and hop in as a third party candidate? It is outrageous for a man who failed to win over the voters to betray his own party like this. You lost by double digits man, you have to at least pretend to care about the will of the voters. But no lets us refuse to accept the verdict and go in to try to undermine the party in the general. This looks really bad after refusing to allow a real Primary against Biden and then just anointing Kamala Harris. Come on Democrats, at least try to appeal to your own voters from time to fucking time.

I don't think I'd blame the Democrats as a whole for Cuomo.

[Neil]

I don't think I'd blame the Democrats as a whole for Cuomo.

Why not?  His behaviour is in line with the sort of thing the party has been pulling whenever the left wing of the party gains some ground, or might potentially do so.

[Sophie Scholl]

I don't think I'd blame the Democrats as a whole for Cuomo.

Why not?  His behaviour is in line with the sort of thing the party has been pulling whenever the left wing of the party gains some ground, or might potentially do so.

This. Plus, they all seemed to line-up behind him in the primary and haven't said a thing about his declaring a third party run. I guess we'll see if it is a Democrat issue if/when Schumer, Gillibrand, Hochul, and the rest of the entrenched Party folks support him, support the Democratic Party candidate, or hedge their bets and stay silent. Which is saying something by not saying something.

[Admiral Yi]

Well obviously we have a fundamental disagreement here. I want a return to the spirit of the New Deal and bold new ideas to address issues. That is why I think guys like Yang and Mamdani are preferable to business as usual. But I get it, it is risky and some of their ideas will fail. We disagree, reasonable minds can disagree.

The spirit of the New Deal was generated by 25% unemployment.  We're sub 3% right now.

[Razgovory]

Well, Sophie and Valmy have a point.  I guess we should support the racist.