What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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grumbler

Quote from: garbon on July 03, 2025, 03:40:39 PM
Quote from: grumbler on July 03, 2025, 03:27:11 PM
Quote from: Zanza on July 03, 2025, 02:03:51 PMDoes it give Trump any further powers that the Supreme Court did not already give him?

It sounds like a terrible bill, setting all the wrong incentives and harm those in need of protection, but I did not get the impression that it is an enabling act so far.

Edit: I think in hindsight this bill will be seen as one more step away from the global hegemony the US enjoyed the last hundred years or so.

It strips away the authority of any court to declare any of its provisions unconstitutional.  Sure, that proviso is itself unconstitutional, but the USSC can simply put off ruling it unconstitutional until enough time lapses that they can declare it moot.

Does it still say that?

Actually, that's a very good question.  I hadn't seen anything about it getting stripped out, but I am sure that there are a lot of changes I am not aware of. I'll see what I can find out.
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Join local organizations. Take control over your local Democratic Party. Demand townhalls. Get involved in municipal politics. Get involved in your alumni org. Take a look at every possible institutions of civil society. Mobilize friends. The more you create spaces of friction against authoritarian creep, the better. That bill is aimed at starving any ground for opposition. The more time passes, the more it will be scary and dangerous. I am sorry.
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Habbaku

This might be the worst bill passed in my entire life, and I'm counting the AUMF against Iraq.
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viper37

Quote from: Habbaku on July 03, 2025, 07:55:08 PMThis might be the worst bill passed in my entire life, and I'm counting the AUMF against Iraq.
Do what Oex says.

With the caveat that any opposition must be focuses and sustained.

Groups like 50501 are useless because they shoot in all direction and organize one off protests then disappear.
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What an inauspicious birthday for America. I wonder what our 250th will bring...
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Quote from: garbon on July 04, 2025, 04:06:34 AMWhat an inauspicious birthday for America. I wonder what our 250th will bring...

Have you watched The Man in the High Castle by any chance?





I haven't :lol: I just know it's a nazi America scenario, which I find apropos
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Quote from: garbon on July 04, 2025, 04:06:34 AMWhat an inauspicious birthday for America. I wonder what our 250th will bring...

July 4th - American dependance on China day

QuoteCan you hear it — that loud roar coming from the East? It's the sound of 1.4 billion Chinese laughing at us.

The Chinese simply can't believe their luck: that at the dawn of the electricity-guzzling era of artificial intelligence, the U.S. president and his party have decided to engage in one of the greatest acts of strategic self-harm imaginable. They have passed a giant bill that, among other craziness, deliberately undermines America's ability to generate electricity through renewables — solar, battery and wind power in particular.

And why? Because they view those as "liberal" energy sources, even though today they are the quickest and cheapest ways to boost our electricity grid to meet the explosion of demand from A.I. data centers.

It is exactly the opposite of what China is doing. Indeed, Beijing may have to make July 4 its own national holiday going forward: American Electricity Dependence Day.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/03/opinion/trump-bill-clean-energy-china.html


Syt

That political assassination in Minnesota has pretty much disappeared from main headlines, right? Wouldn't this normally be headline news for weeks on end? :unsure:
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grumbler

Quote from: Syt on July 04, 2025, 11:58:38 AMThat political assassination in Minnesota has pretty much disappeared from main headlines, right? Wouldn't this normally be headline news for weeks on end? :unsure:

It's still headline news in Minnesota, but I wouldn't expect the NYT to headline very edition with something about the assassination.
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Sheilbh

Quote from: Syt on July 04, 2025, 11:58:38 AMThat political assassination in Minnesota has pretty much disappeared from main headlines, right? Wouldn't this normally be headline news for weeks on end? :unsure:
I don't think so.

We've recently had the assassination of Sir David Amess by an Islamist extremist and of Jo Cox by a far-right extremist. The context of those were different but the reality is news cycles move very quickly (but I don't think it would last weeks even in earlier eras) and lots of other things happen. It'll dominate for maybe a week at most - and partly that's just because there's not much more news. It happens, the person is caught, tributes are paid - the next real "news" will be the trial. As Grumbler says it'll last longer in the local news but nationally, and internationally, not.

I mean I think a few weeks after October 7 or the Russian invasion of Ukraine there was no guarantee those conflicts would be the main headline. Things keep happening (Alan Bennett's line on history: "one bloody thing after another") and people sometimes get fatigued of the "same" story - see covid, Ukraine, Gaza.
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Quote from: HVC on July 04, 2025, 04:14:16 AMHave you watched The Man in the High Castle by any chance?


I haven't :lol: I just know it's a nazi America scenario, which I find apropos

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Quote from: HVC on July 04, 2025, 04:14:16 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 04, 2025, 04:06:34 AMWhat an inauspicious birthday for America. I wonder what our 250th will bring...

Have you watched The Man in the High Castle by any chance?





I haven't :lol: I just know it's a nazi America scenario, which I find apropos

It was very dull.
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