The Israel-Iran War ?

[Legbiter]

My point is that the people who have the data are more reliable then someone second guessing the people with the actual data.

The dude is literally a nuclear expert doing his own bomb assessment from satellite footage! Apparently enrichment centrifuges are very temperamental when it comes to strong seismic waves and/or cave-ins. Any further nuke development is liable to immediate military action. Is this hard to understand?

[crazy canuck]

Ok, if you feel a need to believe the dude who formerly held the role and is second guessing those who currently fill the role, fill your boots.

[Razgovory]

I'm not sure how anyone can be sure of anything looking at a few photos of holes in the ground.  How do we know the bombs even penetrated down to the facility?  I'm still a bit dubious on how bombing the complex is suppose to chemically change the Uranium.  When US scientists tested the plutonium bomb in 1945, they built a round depression to catch the fissile material in case the implosion devise didn't go off correctly and just exploded and spread the stuff around.

[Legbiter]

Ok, if you feel a need to believe the dude who formerly held the role and is second guessing those who currently fill the role, fill your boots.

I'm sure you are not at all a retard. I am sure you can take care of your own bowel movements without any special staff assisting at all. I believe all of this without the New York Times explicitly telling me so.   

[Zoupa]

"Do your own research!!!!!11111!" Legbiter screams as he ingests another dose of horse dewormer.

[garbon]

"Do your own research!!!!!11111!" Legbiter screams as he ingests another dose of horse dewormer.

[Tamas]

The Auatollah came out of hiding and declared victory over the US and Israel.

[Josquius]

The Auatollah came out of hiding and declared victory over the US and Israel.

That's the rules of hide and seek. If they don't find you in the time limit you win

[Valmy]

The Auatollah came out of hiding and declared victory over the US and Israel.

Well they weren't trying to stop our nuclear program nor were they discussing doing any regime change.

So still being in power with an intact nuclear program looks like a win to me. At least from his perspective.

[Jacob]

From a perspective of "when the bully hits you, you hit back so they burn their fingers and don't hit you again" Iran lost.

From a perspective of "we are massively outgunned, they hit us, but we're not really going to change our course or direction, and we were not drawn into destruction. We weathered the storm and maintained our pride" it can probably be seen as a win.

[Admiral Yi]

From a perspective of "we are massively outgunned, they hit us, but we're not really going to change our course or direction, and we were not drawn into destruction. We weathered the storm and maintained our pride" it can probably be seen as a win.

Seeing as how this subplot began with Iran launching missiles at Israel, if they stop launching missiles it will be hard to spin as anything other than we give up.  Especially after announcing very publicly they were going to close the Straights and then not sending a single person on a motorboat to his well deserved date with 72 virgins.

[crazy canuck]

From a perspective of "when the bully hits you, you hit back so they burn their fingers and don't hit you again" Iran lost.

From a perspective of "we are massively outgunned, they hit us, but we're not really going to change our course or direction, and we were not drawn into destruction. We weathered the storm and maintained our pride" it can probably be seen as a win.

Yeah, weirdly Israel and Iran won, but US may have lost.

Israel won in that they convinced a US president to attack Iran. And somehow they convinced Yi that Iran attacked first. Iran won for the reasons you gave.

[celedhring]

From a perspective of "we are massively outgunned, they hit us, but we're not really going to change our course or direction, and we were not drawn into destruction. We weathered the storm and maintained our pride" it can probably be seen as a win.

Especially after announcing very publicly they were going to close the Straights.

They actually didn't. Parliament passed a resolution to do so, but it was never taken up by their security council. It's a trick I've seen Russia do where the Duma will pass something insane but Putin never actually signs it. It's just performative; the thing is obviously a threat, but they always stop short of being actually bound by it.

Naturally the threat will be less effective now.

[Legbiter]

Iranian regime is embarrassed and boxed in. Israel basically decapitated the regime minus the 86 year old Ayatollah. Their nuclear program given how effortlessly Israel achieved air superiority is under a hard Israeli/US veto at this point. 

[crazy canuck]

Since only the US has the military capability of reaching the underground facilities used for the Iranian nuclear program, how does Israel have a "hard" veto over the program now that the US has said its part is done?

Also, how is the Iranian regime "boxed in" any more than it was before the US launched its attack?