The Israel-Iran War ?

[Zoupa]

Yeah, they built a bomb proof facility full of centrifuges 300 feet underground as a lark.   I understand you don't agree with the bombing, and don't like Trump or Netanyahu, but let's not create a new reality. 

whooooosh

[Tamas]

Well if the ceasefire holds (and I can only see Netanhau breaking it) this will be an easy sell as a win for Trump - missiles being lobbed left and right, he shoowps in gets the job done and brokers a ceasefire.

What everyone should start worrying about, mostly in the US, is what the next episode in his ever-escalating reality tv show is going to be about.

[Sophie Scholl]

Looks like the war is back on between Israel and Iran at least. I just saw an update on Al Jazeera of possible Iranian missile strikes in Beersheba post-ceasefire and vows of retaliation and revenge from the Israeli Finance Minister and Defense Minister. It looks like the "12 Day War" had a "12 Minute Truce" before hostilities have resumed. So much for Trump's Peace Prize.

[Tamas]

Yeah I figure Bibi can't afford to declare victory and move on as "on" is prison for him.

[Sophie Scholl]

It would explain the nebulous war aims in Gaza and now Iran. You can't be deposed if you're always at war! ...probably. 

[Sophie Scholl]

...and the ceasefire is back on. Again. Maybe. 

[Tamas]

...and the ceasefire is back on. Again. Maybe. 

The only hope is that unlike in Gaza, two of the three actors are actually interested in peace.

[Admiral Yi]

Was the Iranian fissile material destroyed?  Anyone who has a clue isn't saying.  If it wasn't, then little of value was achieved.

Centrifuges were destroyed. The underground facility which housed them, and which Israel could not reach short of launching one of their own nukes, was degraded.

[The Minsky Moment]

"Degraded" - translation, we don't have a clue.

Centrifuges are relatively cheap on the governmental scale of things and not that hard to source, especially if you have friends in high nuclear places like Iran.

As long as the highly enriched material is not accounted for, it's a dud.

[Admiral Yi]

"Degraded" - translation, we don't have a clue.

Centrifuges are relatively cheap on the governmental scale of things and not that hard to source, especially if you have friends in high nuclear places like Iran.

As long as the highly enriched material is not accounted for, it's a dud.

Point taken.  *If* centrifuges were destroyed and *if* the underground facility was degraded something of value was achieved.

The centrifuges were originally not that hard to source because the Netherlands had lax export controls and Iran was able to hoodwink them.  If they can get 10,000 more on Temu I'm inclined to agree with you.

What highly enriched uranium are you talking about?  If US intelligence is correct, they had not begun to speed up enrichment from 20% to 60%.

[The Minsky Moment]

https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-24.pdf

10. As previously reported, on 5 December 2024, Iran started feeding the two IR-6 cascades producing UF6 enriched up to 60% U-235 at FFEP with UF6 enriched up to 20% U-235, rather than UF6 enriched up to 5% U-235, without altering the enrichment level of the product.17 The effect of this change has been to significantly increase the rate of production of UF6 enriched up to 60% at FFEP to over 34 kg of uranium in the form of UF6 per month. 

[Richard Hakluyt]

I see nothing stopping Iran from ordering new kit from their ally Russia. It can be shipped across the Caspian.

[Syt]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn7ze4vmk2pt?post=asset%3Abfc8cf74-53a1-424a-8443-6d280c1fdb3e#post

More now from US President Donald Trump, who says he's "not happy" with Israel.

"There was one rocket that I guess was fired overboard after the time limit and now Israel is going out. These guys [have] got to calm down," he says, speaking to reporters before heading to the Nato summit in The Hague.

He adds that he didn't like "plenty of things" he saw yesterday.

"I didn't like the fact that Israel unloaded right after we made the deal," he says referring to the ceasefire he announced earlier. "They didn't have to unload."

The president continues: "We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing."

Full video.

[Zanza]

I see nothing stopping Iran from ordering new kit from their ally Russia. It can be shipped across the Caspian.

Or China. Or Pakistan. Or North Korea.

[Zanza]

Full video.

Very authentic, an important leadership quality!