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Started by Armyknife, September 25, 2009, 02:31:13 PM

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Razgovory

#300
June 21, 2025, 10:14:08 PM
Oh, I'm sure there will be a Middle East base attack.  They did that with Suelimani, but that obviously was not a deterrent.  They need to be able to send a message that they will not be pushed around, both to the US and to their own people.  Hitting a Trump property sends message that enemy is Trump and not the US (and the West in general).  That might be politically useful.  Shooting up a bunch of rich people at a resort my actually win them sympathy.  The point is, they need to do something dramatic.  If they don't, they run a real risk of losing legitimacy. 
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Valmy

#301
June 21, 2025, 11:42:38 PM
Yeah ok. Let's do this shit again.

Obama's minister was right.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

HVC

#302
June 21, 2025, 11:52:05 PM
What'd he say?
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Valmy

#303
June 21, 2025, 11:54:53 PM
Quote from: HVC on June 21, 2025, 11:52:05 PMWhat'd he say?

He was the 'God damn America' guy.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Admiral Yi

#304
June 22, 2025, 12:18:29 AM
Quote from: Bauer on June 21, 2025, 09:02:07 PMAnother thought on my mind, what if this action actually does prove decisive and neuters Iran or even leads to regime change.  That would give Trump a massive win and could accelerate the move towards maga authoritarianism in the US...

Or if it becomes a quagmire maybe that leads to maga civil war and disintegration of the movement.

I don't see any possible path from busting nuclear sites to regime change.

Tamas

#305
June 22, 2025, 01:44:02 AM
Well yeah anyone rising against the regime now can be easily painted as being in league with a foreign enemy.

On the other hand, the regime's efforts to become a regional and nuclear power have failed spectacularly. Syria lost, Hezbollah knocked out for now and in a very humiliating way too. Well done, Israel.

Also I think it made sense for the US to use this chance to destroy Iran's nuclear program instead of letting them build it back up

Admiral Yi

#306
June 22, 2025, 02:25:22 AM
6 bunker busters dropped on 3 targets.

Razgovory

#307
June 22, 2025, 04:54:41 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 21, 2025, 11:42:38 PMYeah ok. Let's do this shit again.

Obama's minister was right.
Well, I'm kinda hoping that this will trigger a nuclear war before I run out of money.  Or I find someone who will hire me.  Whichever.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Tamas

#308
June 22, 2025, 07:28:37 AM
Listening to Rest is Politics losing their marbles over the strikes.

One thing by them why is nobody except for the UN chief is condemning it.

I think they are missing a very likely explanation: nobody minds it happened.

crazy canuck

#309
June 22, 2025, 08:39:54 AM
The people who make the rest is politics podcast should read more newspapers.  That way they would've realized that there are a large number of people in the world who mind what happened.

Tamas

#310
June 22, 2025, 09:19:21 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 22, 2025, 08:39:54 AMThe people who make the rest is politics podcast should read more newspapers.  That way they would've realized that there are a large number of people in the world who mind what happened.



They meant European leaders and their conclusion was they are afraid of Trump and I am saying that in addition to that they are not too unhappy about Russia-ally Iran getting removed from the nuclear chess table

Josquius

#311
June 22, 2025, 09:21:42 AM Last Edit: June 22, 2025, 09:23:20 AM by Josquius
There's been a lot of talk lately about the need for more nations to develop nukes in light of America going insane.

Sure Iran was a pre existing issue. But still. Might help serve as a lesson there.

I have to suspect though that Trump will be looking to give concessions somewhere to Putin in exchange for him staying quiet ok this.
It really is quite the tangled messy Web of relations in the middle east.
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Tamas

#312
June 22, 2025, 10:16:24 AM
I realise the grave implications of the US just striking like this without doing the "gather a coalition of the willing" dance, no doubt somebody other than Trump would have gone about this a better way. But first of all the ship with the international order has sailed when the Russians occupied Crimea in 2014 and the international order did nothing. Secondly, Iran's nuclear ambitions could only have ended (IF they have ended) in two ways: them getting nukes or there being a confrontation. There was zero reason for Iran to earnestly give up their program for good.

jimmy olsen

#313
June 22, 2025, 10:28:03 AM
https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/1936773660687130836
QuoteBREAKING 🚨: Iran's Parliament has officially voted to close the Strait of Hormuz, per state\-run Press TV\.

That's 20% of the world's oil supply now held hostage and the global economy just got handed a live grenade.

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HVC

#314
June 22, 2025, 11:00:47 AM
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.
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