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The Israel-Iran War ?

Started by Armyknife, September 25, 2009, 02:31:13 PM

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grumbler

Quote from: HVC on June 17, 2025, 07:51:21 PM
Quote from: grumbler on June 17, 2025, 07:39:08 PM
Quote from: HVC on June 17, 2025, 01:44:57 PMChina could flood Iran with aid if only to test their equipment against Americas in a relatively risk free scenario. IIRC their equipment in Pakistan did well against the western weapons of India.
China might not find it easy to get any military equipment to Iran, let alone flooding the country with it.

Would the Stans not allow shipments? I really don't know their relationships with either parties.

There's only a single major rail line and two roads linking Turkmenistan and Iran. How long do you think they would last if the Chinese tried to use them to arm Iran?
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

HVC

Quote from: grumbler on June 17, 2025, 07:57:26 PM
Quote from: HVC on June 17, 2025, 07:51:21 PM
Quote from: grumbler on June 17, 2025, 07:39:08 PM
Quote from: HVC on June 17, 2025, 01:44:57 PMChina could flood Iran with aid if only to test their equipment against Americas in a relatively risk free scenario. IIRC their equipment in Pakistan did well against the western weapons of India.
China might not find it easy to get any military equipment to Iran, let alone flooding the country with it.

Would the Stans not allow shipments? I really don't know their relationships with either parties.

There's only a single major rail line and two roads linking Turkmenistan and Iran. How long do you think they would last if the Chinese tried to use them to arm Iran?

Fair enough :D you obviously know more about the situation then I do
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Jacob

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Quote from: grumbler on June 17, 2025, 07:39:08 PM
Quote from: HVC on June 17, 2025, 01:44:57 PMChina could flood Iran with aid if only to test their equipment against Americas in a relatively risk free scenario. IIRC their equipment in Pakistan did well against the western weapons of India.
China might not find it easy to get any military equipment to Iran, let alone flooding the country with it.

15 days by rail according to this: https://wentworthreport.com/2025/06/17/china-iran-railroad-just-opened/

Significantly less vulnerable to a potential US blockade than shipping by sea, I'd assume.

Is that sufficient to supply Iran? I don't know, but I believe rail is pretty effective?

Razgovory

Quote from: grumbler on June 17, 2025, 07:37:27 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 17, 2025, 01:46:09 PMI do.  Genocide accusations were made before the bombing started in Gaza.  The Genocide is Israel existing.  That is the crime.  Genocide is now widely considered the worst crime possible, it is the ultimate evil.  Jews as Genocidal neatly replaces Jews as Satanic for a more secular age.  Israel is considered Hostis Humani generis, just like Jews were in the Middle Ages.

I am not sure whether you just cannot comprehend the difference between formal ICC charges (based on a thorough investigation) and vague "genocide accusations were made by somebody or other" or whether you are just not bothering to argue in good faith. Note that when you use passive voice ("accusations were made") that's pretty much a dead giveaway that you are pulling shit out of your ass.

Same for equating the specific policy goal as stated by a member of the Israeli government to some vague "Iranians frequently make statements about irradicating[sic] Israel."

Really, going to bat for the Iranians?  Tsk, tsk.  I couldn't find my quote about " "genocide accusations were made by somebody or other", could you direct me too it?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/nothing-will-be-left-of-israel-if-it-attacks-iranian-commander-threatens/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-iranian-cleric-warns-hezbollah-can-raze-haifa-and-tel-aviv-to-the-ground/
These Iranian threats seem to be fairly representative.  I considered posting some Iranian propaganda about Israel, but seeing the kind of things that antizionists produce makes Jake sqeamish.

If I err to much by blaming the UN it because CC assured me that the UN definition of genocide is definitive and that it "rules".  If he is wrong, please tell him before he misinforms someone else!
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

mongers

So leaving aside the genocide brickbat, what is trumpistan likely to do over the next couple of days?

Re-enactment of The Tanker War from circa 1986-7?

I can see B2 bombings of the key nuclear site forcing the Iranians playing their one last card, attempting to 'close' the Strait of Hormuz, which is bound to drag the US into attacking any Iranian naval/missile assets in the Gulf.

Maybe trump will attack first, saying they're pre-empting any Iranian attacks?

"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

grumbler

Quote from: Razgovory on June 17, 2025, 08:23:13 PMReally, going to bat for the Iranians?  Tsk, tsk.

You've answered my question. You aren't confused, you are arguing in bad faith. We're done.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Razgovory

Quote from: grumbler on June 17, 2025, 08:58:41 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 17, 2025, 08:23:13 PMReally, going to bat for the Iranians?  Tsk, tsk.

You've answered my question. You aren't confused, you are arguing in bad faith. We're done.
Yeah, well you did make up a quote, so right back at you.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Bauer

So don't you normally need to invade a country and defeat them completely before they unconditionally surrender  :hmm:

I read those tweets by Trump like a boy getting excited because Iran is losing and wanting to pile on, but seems more likely to me he ends up chickening out.

Tonitrus

So let me understand..the same revolving endless argument in the Israel-Hamas thread has migrated to this one now?

HVC

Quote from: Tonitrus on June 17, 2025, 11:10:08 PMSo let me understand..the same revolving endless argument in the Israel-Hamas thread has migrated to this one now?


Everyone needs a hobby.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: Legbiter on June 17, 2025, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: Tamas on June 17, 2025, 03:33:41 PMBut on the MAGA people having trouble supporting Trump going to war in the Middle East - grow up.

Yeah but it's funny to observe now because a new patch hasn't dropped yet with a new cope so they're floundering for a bit.

They'll be jackbooting to Teheran soon enough should taco decide to get involved

Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: Jacob on June 17, 2025, 08:18:23 PM
Quote from: grumbler on June 17, 2025, 07:39:08 PM
Quote from: HVC on June 17, 2025, 01:44:57 PMChina could flood Iran with aid if only to test their equipment against Americas in a relatively risk free scenario. IIRC their equipment in Pakistan did well against the western weapons of India.
China might not find it easy to get any military equipment to Iran, let alone flooding the country with it.

15 days by rail according to this: https://wentworthreport.com/2025/06/17/china-iran-railroad-just-opened/

Significantly less vulnerable to a potential US blockade than shipping by sea, I'd assume.

Is that sufficient to supply Iran? I don't know, but I believe rail is pretty effective?

It works for the Russians and their stuff coming from the dprk

jimmy olsen

It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Crazy_Ivan80

I guess taco finds all these European bases suddenly useful now?

dist

Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 18, 2025, 03:44:22 AMImagine getting owned this hard by Tucker Carlson
https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3lrttmjbhj22e

Wait, are the Magots trying to push the idea that Iran is trying to have Trump assassinated?

Cruz: "No, you don't know anything about the country. You're the one who claims they are not trying to murder Donald Trump."