The Israel-Iran War ?

[Grey Fox]

The Tankers already made their way. F22s are airborne and on their way.

Teheran is getting bombed tonight.

[Valmy]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c2kqkd03xn5t?post=asset%3Ae370dd42-e44f-4f32-b050-3c6f896cec74

'Everyone should immediately evacuate Tehran', says Trump

In a post on his social media platform Truth Social, US President Donald Trump says that "everyone should immediately evacuate Tehran".

His comments come after Israeli officials advised residents to evacuate parts of north-eastern Tehran earlier today, saying it planned to target "military infrastructure".

In his post, Trump adds that Iran should have signed the deal that he put forward to them in the most recent round of US-Iran nuclear talks.

"Simply stated, IRAN CAN NOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON," he writes. "I said it over and over again!

"Everyone should immediately evacuate Tehran!"

The BBC's Anthony Zurcher is in Alberta, Canada, at the G7, which Trump is attending. Our correspondent just asked the president's press aide there for clarification on his social media post.

Zurcher was directed to contact the main White House press team back in Washington for comment. Stick with us as we follow this one up.

Um...what? Tehran, a city of 10 million people? I thought Iran was toothless and we were just launching strategic strikes to disrupt a nuclear program and that program was deep under mountains or something?

Now the United States is going to launch a major strike on a major city?

What...what the fuck are we even doing here?

Is bombing cities really going to stop nuclear proliferation? Seems to me it would do the opposite.

And again, we had a agreement that took care of this problem and Trump just ripped it up for no reason other than Obama made it.

This is going to be the most unpopular war in US history. Trump has not prepped us for this at all. At least Bush brainwashed many of us into thinking Iraq was going to launch a chemical/biological/nuclear attack any moment.

[Sheilbh]

Yes, Israel also issuing evacuation orders similar to those they provide in Gaza. In Farsi their social media posts say:

Dear citizens, for your safety, please leave the described area in the 3rd district of Tehran immediately. In the coming hours, the Israeli army will attack the military infrastructure of the Iranian regime in this area, as it has done in recent days in Tehran. Your presence in this area endangers your life.

Again I've no doubt about Israeli's military capability - I have no idea what political settlement or goal this is all driving to (beyond getting the US involved).

[HVC]

Gotta start the apocalypse somehow. Baby Jesus demands it.

[Razgovory]

I see lots of people on Facebook celebrating the bombing of Israel.  I thought that bombing like this was a war crime and very, very bad.  Why would people celebrate a thing they think is very, very bad?

[Valmy]

I see lots of people on Facebook celebrating the bombing of Israel.  I thought that bombing like this was a war crime and very, very bad.  Why would people celebrate a thing they think is very, very bad?

Well go talk to them about it.

Though it probably is less of a crime when a country bombs you first.

[Jacob]

I wonder how this is going to affect regime stability in Iran. Will Iranians rally around the government or will it provide an opportunity for regime change?

And I wonder what the odds are of US boots on the ground in the next little while.

[Razgovory]

I see lots of people on Facebook celebrating the bombing of Israel.  I thought that bombing like this was a war crime and very, very bad.  Why would people celebrate a thing they think is very, very bad?

Well go talk to them about it.

Though it probably is less of a crime when a country bombs you first.

Interesting idea.  You can commit war crimes if they attack you first.  Anyway, I do talk to them about it.  Mostly I get things like "Jew is dwarf to Muslim!" and "Inshallah", and "Your time is coming IsraHELL".

[Jacob]

Interesting idea.  You can commit war crimes if they attack you first.  Anyway, I do talk to them about it.  Mostly I get things like "Jew is dwarf to Muslim!" and "Inshallah", and "Your time is coming IsraHELL".

I guess you've curated your algorithm to get the content you're interested in?

[crazy canuck]

I see lots of people on Facebook celebrating the bombing of Israel.  I thought that bombing like this was a war crime and very, very bad.  Why would people celebrate a thing they think is very, very bad?

Well go talk to them about it.

Though it probably is less of a crime when a country bombs you first.

Interesting idea.  You can commit war crimes if they attack you first. 

A bit like the positions you have taken in defence of Israel.

[Razgovory]

Interesting idea.  You can commit war crimes if they attack you first.  Anyway, I do talk to them about it.  Mostly I get things like "Jew is dwarf to Muslim!" and "Inshallah", and "Your time is coming IsraHELL".

I guess you've curated your algorithm to get the content you're interested in?

I do get quite a bit of political stuff.  Bunch of Left-wing guillotine stuff and the like.  Lot of Palestine stuff, and now Islamic stuff.  Bunch of hard-right stuff as well.  What is interesting is that they all basically agree on Israel.  Stuff coming from one political ecosystem crosses over into another one.  For instance, a few months ago this comic by Neo-Nazi Stone Toss started making the rounds of Left wing pages

People would point out this was from an actual Nazi, but the response they would get was "A broken clock is right twice a day", because the one point of agreement you want to have with Nazis is on the topic of Jews.
This one kinda sums up the anti-Zionist movement.

[Syt]

With Israel, regardless of my misgivings about Netanyahu, I assume they're executing on attack plans on military infrastructure and related targets that they've had in their drawers for decades and updated constantly.

With Trump, I assume he wants a theatrical performance that will wow people and will make him look tough and cool.

Though AP is speculating that the US is being asked to use their arsenal to hit targets Israel can't.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-g7-carney-canada-trade-iran-75c17fffe96c9031d8ebb22af923d86c

[...] So far, Israel has targeted multiple Iranian nuclear program sites but has not been able to destroy Iran's Fordo uranium enrichment facility.

The site is buried deep underground — and to eliminate it, Israel may need the 30,000-pound (14,000-kilogram) GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator, the U.S. bunker-busting bomb that uses its weight and sheer kinetic force to reach deeply buried targets. Israel does not have the munition or the bomber needed to deliver it. The penetrator is currently delivered by the B-2 stealth bomber. [...]

[Razgovory]

I see lots of people on Facebook celebrating the bombing of Israel.  I thought that bombing like this was a war crime and very, very bad.  Why would people celebrate a thing they think is very, very bad?

Well go talk to them about it.

Though it probably is less of a crime when a country bombs you first.

Interesting idea.  You can commit war crimes if they attack you first. 

A bit like the positions you have taken in defence of Israel.

Correct.  I'm just glad Valmy and much of the world seems to agree with me.

[Jacob]

Another angle on the timing of the attack - could a contributing factor be that Russia is in no position to support its Iranian client at the moment?

[Syt]

Another angle on the timing of the attack - could a contributing factor be that Russia is in no position to support its Iranian client at the moment?

Probably a factor, but I could also see Netanyahu/Putin having an understanding of sorts? You let us do this, we stay out of Ukraine/pressure US to stay out of Ukraine?