What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[grumbler]

It's a symbol of the protest. It will antagonize the opposing side no matter what it is.

It's a very poorly-thought-out symbol of protest.  The "opposing side" is not monolithic and so immune to nuance. Protests are going to make enemies.  That is one of their purposes.  But gratuitously making additional enemies is NOT their purpose. Protesters, more than anyone, have to be able to read the room. They need to appeal to peoples' sympathies, and pretending that they are not Americans is not the way to do that.

[Maladict]

It's a symbol of the protest. It will antagonize the opposing side no matter what it is.

It's a very poorly-thought-out symbol of protest.  The "opposing side" is not monolithic and so immune to nuance. Protests are going to make enemies.  That is one of their purposes.  But gratuitously making additional enemies is NOT their purpose. Protesters, more than anyone, have to be able to read the room. They need to appeal to peoples' sympathies, and pretending that they are not Americans is not the way to do that.

That's fair.

[Oexmelin]

Of course. But it's a protest. Which means you will have all sorts of people participating, unless it's a highly organized, disciplined protest, which I fear the US no longer has the ability to produce. There is bound to be some message that will be poorly received, ripe for adversary spin.

[crazy canuck]

Trump is shattering constitutional norms and people are worried about a flag being displayed.

Missing the forrest for the trees.

[garbon]

Trump is shattering constitutional norms and people are worried about a flag being displayed.

Missing the forrest for the trees.

We've long had a fixation on the "right way" to protest. We are all about calling out heterogenous groups for not maintaining 100% message discipline.

[Grey Fox]

Finally, some Americans remembered how to protest properly.

[grumbler]

Trump is shattering constitutional norms and people are worried about a flag being displayed.

Missing the forrest for the trees.

People are capable of having more than one concern at a time. And you might want to look up the phrase "missing the forest for the trees" before you misuse it again.

[Josquius]

It's to be expected in any protest there'll be a group of idiots.
Fiaxting on these people rather than what the protest is actually about however....

[garbon]

It's a symbol of the protest. It will antagonize the opposing side no matter what it is.

It's a very poorly-thought-out symbol of protest.  The "opposing side" is not monolithic and so immune to nuance. Protests are going to make enemies.  That is one of their purposes.  But gratuitously making additional enemies is NOT their purpose. Protesters, more than anyone, have to be able to read the room. They need to appeal to peoples' sympathies, and pretending that they are not Americans is not the way to do that.

That's fair.

Only if one were trying to start a lasting protest movement. Simply expressing frustration? Seems hard to see how any of that applies. Also unclear there is a "moderate" approach that anyone will care about.

[grumbler]

Trump is shattering constitutional norms and people are worried about a flag being displayed.

Missing the forrest for the trees.

We've long had a fixation on the "right way" to protest. We are all about calling out heterogenous groups for not maintaining 100% message discipline.

I've never bought into the argument that we cannot criticize protestor mistakes because of some imaginary belief that such intellectual exercises don't demonstrate sufficient virtue signaling.

Leave groupthink to the other side.

[garbon]

Trump is shattering constitutional norms and people are worried about a flag being displayed.

Missing the forrest for the trees.

We've long had a fixation on the "right way" to protest. We are all about calling out heterogenous groups for not maintaining 100% message discipline.

I've never bought into the argument that we cannot criticize protestor mistakes because of some imaginary belief that such intellectual exercises don't demonstrate sufficient virtue signaling.

Leave groupthink to the other side.

Who said that you can't? In fact, I think I said we have a history of doing just that.

[Razgovory]

Obviously not but why make PR even easier for them?

Do you remember "eating cats and dogs?"

There will always be some excuse being manufactured. Either from someone, somewhere in a protest, or made up of lies.

"They will make up stuff about us anyway, so I might as well loot this shop"

[Syt]

Is the military parade for Trump's the Army's Birthday on 14th June still on?

[grumbler]

Trump is shattering constitutional norms and people are worried about a flag being displayed.

Missing the forrest for the trees.

We've long had a fixation on the "right way" to protest. We are all about calling out heterogenous groups for not maintaining 100% message discipline.

I've never bought into the argument that we cannot criticize protestor mistakes because of some imaginary belief that such intellectual exercises don't demonstrate sufficient virtue signaling.

Leave groupthink to the other side.

Who said that you can't? In fact, I think I said we have a history of doing just that.

You claimed that "we" are "all about calling out heterogenous groups for not maintaining 100% message discipline."  I don't believe that this is true.  No one has claimed that a group must maintain "100% message discipline" to avoid being called out.

The objection I have is not to some mythical failure to maintain 100% message discipline, but to specific actions that I believe weaken the message the protesters are trying to send. If the organizers of these protests discouraged the display of the Mexican flag and were just being ignored, then I would dismiss the issue as "they've done what they could."  There's no evidence that I can see that the use of foreign flags is being discouraged by the organizers, and some evidence that it is being encouraged.

[crazy canuck]

There are organizers who are in charge of sending out such messages?  How wonderfully naive.