What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Syt]

[Syt]

Oh, and:

[grumbler]

People seem to forget that Congress was not in session when Lincoln suspended habeas corpus.

[DGuller]

People seem to forget that Congress was not in session when Lincoln suspended habeas corpus.

In my defense, I didn't forget, I wasn't even born yet.

[grumbler]

People seem to forget that Congress was not in session when Lincoln suspended habeas corpus.

In my defense, I didn't forget, I wasn't even born yet.

 

[crazy canuck]

It got much worse than that. From the NYTimes

At a Senate hearing, Senator Maggie Hassan, Democrat of New Hampshire, asked Ms. Noem about the issue. "Secretary Noem," she asked, "what is habeas corpus?"

"Well," Ms. Noem said, "habeas corpus is a constitutional right that the president has to be able to remove people from this country and suspend their right to—"

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Not even clowns would want to be part of that circus.
Not even bananas want to be part of that republic.

[grumbler]

This is satire, not news.

[Razgovory]

Good catch Grumbler.  Sadly, the one that CC mentions, where Noem doesn't know what Habeas Corpus is, is real.

[Syt]

This is satire, not news.

Thanks for catching and calling it out. Difficult to tell apart these days.

[Valmy]

If a mob was attacking National Guardsmen and blowing bridges to isolate the capitol for a hostile army to capture it, as in 1861, I would support a temporary suspension of habeas corpus. Just having immigrants in the country seems insufficient. Fortunately I am in the majority on that...though a smaller majority than I would like.

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_wObz24u.pdf#page=95



Only 60% support the right to Habeas Corpus? I guess I should be comforted only 16% oppose it. Though 28% of Conservatives oppose one of the foundations of our legal system. How Conservative of them.

I mean I get the 24% who just don't know what it is.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Magna carta article 39 :

"No free man is to be arrested, or imprisoned, or disseised, or outlawed, or exiled, or in any other way ruined, nor will we go against him or send against him, except by the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land."

People seem to have been more enlightened back in 1215 

[Sheilbh]

Magna carta article 39 :

"No free man is to be arrested, or imprisoned, or disseised, or outlawed, or exiled, or in any other way ruined, nor will we go against him or send against him, except by the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land."

People seem to have been more enlightened back in 1215 

Re-confirmed in 1628 (after which Charles I started the period of personal rule).

And as mentioned before further confirmed and amended in 1679 to prevent Charles II from spiriting people away overseas (especially via his dowry from Catherine of Braganza) to avoid habeas corpus. This is still on the books:

And for preventing illegall Imprisonments in Prisons beyond the Seas noe Subject of this Realme that now is or hereafter shall be an Inhabitant of Resiant of this Kingdome of England Dominion of Wales or Towne of Berwicke upon Tweede shall or may be sent Prisoner into Scotland Ireland Jersey Gaurnsey Tangeir or into any Parts Garrisons Islands or Places beyond the Seas which are or at any time hereafter shall be within or without the Dominions of His Majestie His Heires or Successors and that every such Imprisonment is hereby enacted and adjudged to be illegall and that if any of the said Subjects now is or hereafter shall bee soe imprisoned every such person and persons soe imprisoned shall and may for every such Imprisonment maintaine by vertue of this Act an Action or Actions of false Imprisonment in any of His Majestyes Courts of Record against the person or persons by whome he or she shall be soe committed detained imprisoned sent Prisoner or transported contrary to the true meaning of this Act and against all or any person or persons that shall frame contrive write seale or countersigne any Warrant or Writeing for such Committment Detainer Imprisonment or Transportation or shall be adviseing aiding or assisting in the same or any of them and the Plaintiffe in every such Action shall have Judgement to recover his Costs besides Damages which Damages soe to be given shall not be lesse then Five hundred pounds In which Action noe delay stay or stopp of Proceeding by Rule Order or Command nor noe Injunction whatsoever shall be allowed excepting such Rule of the Court wherein the Action shall depend made in open Court as shall bee thought in Justice necessary for speciall cause to be expressed in the said Rule and the person or persons who shall knowingly frame contrive write seale or countersigne any Warrant for such Committment Detainer or Transportation or shall soe committ detaine imprison or transport any person or persons contrary to this Act or be any wayes adviseing aiding or assisting therein being lawfully convicted thereof shall be disabled from thenceforth to beare any Office of Trust or Proffitt within the said Realme of England Dominion of Wales or Towne of Berwicke upon Tweede or any of the Islands Territories or Dominions thereunto belonging and be liable to imprisonment for life and be incapeable of any Pardon from the King His Heires or Successors of the said Disabilities or any of them.

Edit: Basically the disappearing people into foreign jails is something last considered a real risk when people wrote English like that.

[grumbler]

This is satire, not news.

Thanks for catching and calling it out. Difficult to tell apart these days.

Actually, I realized just after I posted that I should have added that I had to Snopes this up to be sure. The White House Spokesbarbie says things this stupid daily.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Yes, I also used snopes for that one.