Quo Vadis, Democrats?

[HVC]

Aren't they still movers and shakers? Might as well put them up front and get it over with

If they are, they are definitely an éminence grise because you don't hear from them much.

Hell even Obama seems to rarely show up. I have no idea why he isn't used more.

If tabloids are to be believed he's too busy trying to save his marriage.

[dist]

Online noise about the need to call Senate Democrats to vote No on the cloture.

I had to look up cloture, but AOC says we should be against it or rather urging our senators to take a stand against it re the budget bill stuff. There's a running tally in Talking Points Memo, and this graph of where your senator stands (California, we need to yell at Schiff and Padilla; PA, you need to get Fetterman a brain transplant or something). Indivisible, unsurprisingly, breaks it down really well as follows, and I've posted their link, where you can tell your senator to vote no on cloture.

Indivisible: The government shuts down on March 14 unless Congress passes a new spending bill.
Senate Republicans need Democratic votes to pass anything, but instead of negotiating in good faith, they're pushing for an MAGA continuing resolution (CR) that makes extreme cuts that will jeopardize Social Security, leave tens of thousands of families without homes or food, and slashes benefits to veterans.
 
To be clear, this isn't a "clean" continuing resolution that would keep the government open while they negotiate, it's a slush fund that gives Trump and Elon Musk even more power over federal spending. Instead of trying to rein in the Trump and Musk power grab, this CR legitimizes it.

Almost every House Democrat stood united and voted NO on this CR. Now it's time for Senate Dems to take a stand and oppose this outrageous bill.

They must use their leverage, hold the line, and insist on a clean, short-term CR that keeps the government open without giving Trump and Musk a blank check.

If Democrats are unified in support of a short-term CR and Republicans choose to shut down the government rather than agree to their reasonable demands, Republicans will own the shutdown. Then, we can use the March recess to hold those Republicans accountable and make their time in-district as painful as possible, so that they're forced to negotiate a funding bill that includes ironclad safeguards to rein in Trump and Musk and protects essential programs.

But we need Democrats to stay strong and not flinch. They must vote NO on cloture, which ends debate and allows for a simple-majority vote on final passage of the bill, until they have guaranteed they have enough votes to actually win a clean 30 day CR.

Fill out this form now, and we'll connect you to your senator. Tell them they must use their leverage in the funding fight and vote NO on cloture for this CR unless they have a clear path to passing a clean short-term bill instead. Let them know  you expect them to reject the Republican CR at every stage, even if Republicans won't play ball on a clean bill.

https://indivisible.org/resource/call-now-tell-senate-democrats-hold-line-against-extreme-maga-continuing-resolution?source=bluesky&fbclid=IwY2xjawJAIi5leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHfkTqqPaZnNYZeutpHuuFkP9-i-Fk2PVe8nBQEVJmqGh-wUeHQg3FPT1qw_aem_brLspcdvx7NSy4TJL4kSFQ

[Razgovory]

No, I think Oex is right.  We need to go all in on extremism.  I think our next thing is go with the "Land Back" campaign.  Try to turn over all land in the United States to it's original owners, the native Americans.  Take property from 99% of the population and give it too 2% of the population.  That will really help turn out with the far-left.

Nobody on the left is saying this. What a bunch of garbage.

(snip)

The goal of the Land Back movement (which is global, not North American) according to those who espouse it, is to force governments to honor their treaties with the natives. That would require the return of relatively small amounts of land or compensation for its loss.  Seeking to enforce treaty (property) rights does not strike me as an extreme leftwing proposition, nor does it seem to justify embracing a Big Lie with the enthusiasm Raz has for it.

Big Lie?  I don't know what you are talking about.

[grumbler]

Big Lie?  I don't know what you are talking about.

I'm not surprised.  You don't know what you are talking about, either.

[Razgovory]

Um, okay.  So you're just full of nonsense today.

[Jacob]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

[Razgovory]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

Yeah I know, I'm pretty sure he's not talking about the treaty of Versailles.

[DGuller]

In my experience, it is easier for other people to understand what you're trying to say when you're actually trying to say it.

[Jacob]

In my experience, it is easier for other people to understand what you're trying to say when you're actually trying to say it.

What are you trying to say here? I don't want to presume...

[dist]

I'm reading that Pelosi published a public statement asking Senate Democrats to reject the House funding bill, thus going against Schumer.

[Zoupa]

Too late, it's over. Apart from Schumer, the Democrats who voted to advance the measure included Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin (Ill.) and Sens. Catherine Cortez Masto (D-Nev.), Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.), John Fetterman (D-Pa.), Gary Peters (D-Mich.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), and Angus King (Maine).

[Syt]

If MAGA is a death cult, those ten are a suicide pact.

[dist]

I guess the Republicans are not only one that are going to have to avoid doing town halls in their circumscriptions.

[Valmy]

Too late, it's over. Apart from Schumer, the Democrats who voted to advance the measure included Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin (Ill.) and Sens. Catherine Cortez Masto (D-Nev.), Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.), John Fetterman (D-Pa.), Gary Peters (D-Mich.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), and Angus King (Maine).

It's always just enough traitors to ruin the party's agenda and no more. Odd that. Makes you wonder who else would have been willing to vote yes if they were needed. Funny how Schumer couldn't do shit to whip up support for Biden bills but he can turn all these no votes into yes in less than a day to help Trump.

This was a historically disastrous vote.

[crazy canuck]

The GOP went all in on an empty hand. The Dems knew the GOP were holding nothing, and still folded

So now what is the rallying cry for the midterms?  We are brave sir Robin who runs away?