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[Tonitrus]

"Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility."

[crazy canuck]

That definition would be more accurate if the word individual was replaced by the word shareholder.

[crazy canuck]

Corporations can contract with people to shoot you. 

And, with USSC, they will probably be able to claim self-defense if they stand their ground.

 

[Valmy]

Ok I don't want Trans shit to derail the Trump thread so I thought I would address a few points here:

Let's take the trans issue, since Trump apparently made a big deal of it in his final ads.  But you could go with so many other culture issues.

I think fairly reasonable people can go "you know, I'm worried it's much too easy for youths to medically transition which will have irrevocable side effects".  Someone like JK Rowling made similar complaints.

The left would go "Transphobe! TERF!  Don't you know what time it is!".

I think such objections did a noticeable amount of damage in driving people with otherwise reasonable views, or at least mostly reasonable views on most issues, into the arms of the Trumpian-right.

Sure but that is just going to happen man. This is the internet and this is like trying to form DWI policy in a conversation that involves lots of people whose families just got killed by drunk drivers. For a ton of people this is really personal and there exists no way to hunt them all down and force them to be quiet. And yeah lots of institutions and powerful people were supporting those voices. I get it. And it's annoying. I know.

But on the other side you had tons of people calling any kind of accommodation even to adult trans people as being in favor of rape, child mutilation, and various other forms of absolute evil. And a huge multi-million dollar propaganda campaign, large religious institutions, and some of the worlds richest and most powerful people driving it forward. That is supposed to inculcate debate?

So it seems weird to me that with tons of unreasonable people on both sides the impact is only to steer people to the extremist position that just happens to have the more powerful and better funded propaganda network.

But, believe me I certainly would prefer that everybody on both sides was reasonable and sat down and had an honest debate made in good faith and came up with a compromise that everybody would live with. That's not the world we live in though.

My goal is, at the end of the day, to be kind to Trans people. That is what this is about. So if all we need to do to protect important and needed trans care for youth is to add some good faith and helpful guard rails that do not currently exist then I would support that.

But I understand why some are paranoid about it. We have decades of examples of limitations being put on things that were not made in good faith. That are actually just an attempt to crush the minority position. And indeed I think there are lots of people who are pretending to care about kids but in fact just want to eliminate trans. So I get why some might react with hostility. But at the end of the day you have to assume that somebody over there can be won over with good faith arguments, you can't just assume everybody is vile. A lot of them have only heard one side of the story and won't hear yours unless you are debating them or people they know and trust.

[Barrister]

Sure but that is just going to happen man. This is the internet and this is like trying to form DWI policy in a conversation that involves lots of people whose families just got killed by drunk drivers. For a ton of people this is really personal and there exists no way to hunt them all down and force them to be quiet. And yeah lots of institutions and powerful people were supporting those voices. I get it. And it's annoying. I know.

This is a very interesting analogy.

A lot of our policies about drunk driving come from a group MADD - Mothers Against Drunk Driving.  It was founded by people who, you guessed it, had family members who were killed by drunk drivers.

Nevertheless - MADD and the like never embraced temperance/teetotalling as the solution.

You can argue where MADD and other groups wanted to draw the line.  No advocacy group is perfect.  But there was at least some acknowledgement that there was a line to be drawn.

My goal is, at the end of the day, to be kind to Trans people. That is what this is about. So if all we need to do to protect important and needed trans care for youth is to add some good faith and helpful guard rails that do not currently exist then I would support that.

That is my goal as well.  A lot of modern politics ought to just boil down to simple politeness or manners.  Call people what they want to be called.  Do not be deliberately rude or insulting to people.

But no - even as the trans issue seems to have slightly turned, we now see the online right insisting it is imperative to mis-gender trans people, to be deliberately rude and insulting to them "for their own good".

[Syt]

Some More News had a focus on how statistics about detransitioning etc. get distorted. (Though I don't assume SMN has many fans here The episode itself was written by a trans person.)

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Some More News had a focus on how statistics about detransitioning etc. get distorted. (Though I don't assume SMN has many fans here The episode itself was written by a trans person.)

SMN is terrific.  I don't agree with everything presented, but Cody Johnson is a great presenter and the writing is always good.