What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[mongers]

To my amazement, there stood a raven

 

I'm guessing that's Jethro Tull?

edit:

Oops, it appears to be APP.

[Josephus]

To my amazement, there stood a raven

 

I'm guessing that's Jethro Tull?

edit:

Oops, it appears to be APP.

Lol, yeah.

[garbon]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/12/steve-bannon-calls-elon-musk-racist

Steve Bannon condemns Elon Musk as 'racist' and 'truly evil'

In an escalation of discontent among the highest-profile far-right followers of Donald Trump, his former adviser Steve Bannon has called Trump's newest favorite, Elon Musk, "racist" and a "truly evil guy", pledging to "take this guy down" and kick him out of the Maga movement.

In an interview with the Corriere della Sera newspaper in Italy, excerpts of which were published this weekend by Breitbart, Bannon criticised Musk's embrace of some forms of immigration and vowed to ensure that Musk does not have top-level access to the White House.

"He is a truly evil guy, a very bad guy. I made it my personal thing to take this guy down," Bannon said. "Before, because he put money in, I was prepared to tolerate it – I'm not prepared to tolerate it any more."

He added: "I will have Elon Musk run out of here by inauguration day", which falls on 20 January. "He will not have full access to the White House. He will be like any other person."

Musk became one of Trump's biggest cheerleaders, and certainly his richest, during the Republican's ultimately successful campaign to regain the US presidency, spending reportedly about $270m and being rewarded with a place at Trump's side ever since.

After his victory Trump tapped Musk to help lead an advisory group theoretically dedicated to cutting US government spending by up to $2tn, a quarter of its entire budget.

But Musk's embrace of H-1B visas, which allow companies – such as Musk's own SpaceX and Tesla – to hire skilled professionals and engineers from outside the US, has been taken badly by other Maga acolytes who are opposed to nearly all forms of immigration. Musk, who was born in South Africa, has himself held an H1-B visa.

"This thing of the H-1B visas, it's about the entire immigration system is gamed by the tech overlords. They use it to their advantage. The people are furious," said Bannon, whom Trump fired from his White House position during his first administration but who later reinvented himself through his War Room podcast as one of the chief evangelists of the Maga movement.

Bannon further widened his aim to attack Musk's fellow tech giants Peter Thiel and David Sacks for having South African heritage.

"He [Musk] should go back to South Africa," Bannon said. "Why do we have South Africans, the most racist people on earth, white South Africans, we have them making any comments at all on what goes on in the United States?"

Arguing that Musk's "sole objective is to become a trillionaire" and calling him a proponent of "techno-feudalism on a global scale", Bannon said, "I don't support that and we'll fight it," adding: "He won't fight. He's got the maturity of a little boy.

"He will do anything to make sure that any one of his companies is protected or has a better deal or he makes more money.

"His aggregation of wealth, and then – through wealth – power: that's what he's focused on."

[PJL]

Well Steve Bannon has a point when even Bernie Sanders agrees with him re the H-1B visas. And I think Bannon is right on some of the other things he says about Musk too.

[Zanza]

Is Bannon still relevant?

[Admiral Yi]

Well Steve Bannon has a point when even Bernie Sanders agrees with him re the H-1B visas. And I think Bannon is right on some of the other things he says about Musk too.

I don't think two extremists agreeing on something is a good indicator they're right.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Well Steve Bannon has a point when even Bernie Sanders agrees with him re the H-1B visas. And I think Bannon is right on some of the other things he says about Musk too.

I don't think two extremists agreeing on something is a good indicator they're right.

On the other hand: even a broken clock is right twice a day (or once, if it's a 24 hours type)

[garbon]

Well Steve Bannon has a point when even Bernie Sanders agrees with him re the H-1B visas. And I think Bannon is right on some of the other things he says about Musk too.

I don't think two extremists agreeing on something is a good indicator they're right.

On the other hand: even a broken clock is right twice a day (or once, if it's a 24 hours type)

What's wrong with bringing in workers with specialized skills?

[Admiral Yi]

What's wrong with bringing in workers with specialized skills?

It depresses wages in that field.

[garbon]

Okay and?

[The Minsky Moment]

What's wrong with bringing in workers with specialized skills?

It depresses wages in that field.

Static analysis.

In high technology fields there is often a clustering effect, such that clustering a critical mass of skilled workers and companies can increase demand for workers, not decrease it.

E.g. Silicon Valley has a lot more software engineers than Birmingham Alabama, but the wage for the next software engineer in the Valley is going to be quite a bit higher.

[Admiral Yi]

Okay and?

Some people prefer higher rather than lower wages.

[Admiral Yi]

Static analysis.

In high technology fields there is often a clustering effect, such that clustering a critical mass of skilled workers and companies can increase demand for workers, not decrease it.

E.g. Silicon Valley has a lot more software engineers than Birmingham Alabama, but the wage for the next software engineer in the Valley is going to be quite a bit higher.

I've read about the clustering effect in cognition heavy fields like finance, academics, and science, but not in the scut work involved in those fields.  And certainly not in scut work heavy fields like automobiles.  Infosys guys on H1-Bs are not designing the next IPhone, they're doing drudge work.

And furthermore it's not clear to me what the transmission mechanism is for clustering to increase demand for labor.  Increasing productivity wouldn't do it.

[DGuller]

In my experience, lots of my data science colleagues are on some kind of work visa, or started out that way before getting their green card.  I've never observed any difference in the gruntiness of their work, some progress quickly and others not so much, just like the natives.

[Eddie Teach]

You're now the laughingstock of the world. Admittedly one with nukes and a giant army, which does take away some of the laughs.

    

So, Russia.  Imagine that.

Time is a flat circle.

I'll not give the "who the hell are you" greeting.

Hell?