Quo Vadis, Democrats?

[The Minsky Moment]

"Gerry's a young 74, cancer notwithstanding"

Appearances may deceive, but to my eyes Gerry looks old enough to have served in grumbler's cohort.

[garbon]

BTW isn't AOC kind of divisive?

[Sheilbh]

BTW isn't AOC kind of divisive?

Oh yeah - and as I say no views on the actual race.

My point was more that they just need to get away from the "young 74, cancer notwithstandings". But it maybe hints at another problem that the more establishment/less divisive parts of the Democrats in Congress maybe don't have many good candidates unless they use the seniority argument? Was there not a solid 50-something, 40-something candidate they could have run or is their only argument seniority, or is seniority still such an expectation that it would end up dividing that anti-AOC bloc so they just give in?

[garbon]

BTW isn't AOC kind of divisive?

Oh yeah - and as I say no views on the actual race.

My point was more that they just need to get away from the "young 74, cancer notwithstandings". But it maybe hints at another problem that the more establishment/less divisive parts of the Democrats in Congress maybe don't have many good candidates unless they use the seniority argument? Was there not a solid 50-something, 40-something candidate they could have run or is their only argument seniority, or is seniority still such an expectation that it would end up dividing that anti-AOC bloc so they just give in?

Yeah I was just thinking of that, I think member of the squad, who had a viral, verbal spat with MTG earlier this year. That sort of junior high school behavior is not the sort of stuff that inspired confidence in handing over reins to the next generation.

[Zoupa]

Valmy: I think the Democrats have already learned the lesson about geriatric mushy brained office holders with speech issues.

Hey, if it is what the people want!

Dude got the most votes in the history of your country, guys. 81 million.

[Tamas]

BTW isn't AOC kind of divisive?

More than Trump? If she was a man I'd say run her next time, people are clearly after charisma and entertainment value over policies or even coherence. But, being a woman, she cannot win.

[garbon]

Valmy: I think the Democrats have already learned the lesson about geriatric mushy brained office holders with speech issues.

Hey, if it is what the people want!

Dude got the most votes in the history of your country, guys. 81 million.

Oh that was okay as he wasn't 80 yet...

[Barrister]

BTW isn't AOC kind of divisive?

Government Oversight is presumably where they're going to be investigating what the Trump Whitehouse is doing.  I suspect "divisive" is part of the job description.

[DGuller]

If the past few years have taught us anything, it's that energy more than compensates for divisiveness.  Movie characters which are perfectly inoffensive are not too compelling, and in the age of Joe Rogan, neither are politicians.

[Razgovory]

Dwayne is a black name so that's racist.

Seriously?
To me its associations are very much counter to that. Very white bread, white as white can be, bordering on hillbilly- which makes The Rock's existence pretty funny.

No, Yi's right, it's a black name.  Still, you are illustrating an important point, with your "cousin-love" comment.  A large number of leftists hold the working class in contempt.  For the most part the working class holds different cultural values than the left, and as a result the Left tends to write them off as racist, homophobic, transphobic etc.  So they turn to Trump, who at least doesn't hold them in as much contempt.  This doesn't apply to just white people, but to black and Hispanics who are increasingly turning to the GOP.

[Josquius]

Dwayne is a black name so that's racist.

Seriously?
To me its associations are very much counter to that. Very white bread, white as white can be, bordering on hillbilly- which makes The Rock's existence pretty funny.

No, Yi's right, it's a black name.  Still, you are illustrating an important point, with your "cousin-love" comment.  A large number of leftists hold the working class in contempt.  For the most part the working class holds different cultural values than the left, and as a result the Left tends to write them off as racist, homophobic, transphobic etc.  So they turn to Trump, who at least doesn't hold them in as much contempt.  This doesn't apply to just white people, but to black and Hispanics who are increasingly turning to the GOP.

...inbreeding is not a part of working class identity.

And trump absolutely holds working people in absolute contempt.
Though this is a typical trick the right play these days. Trying to pass off being a lazy good for nothing racist shit head as being the only way to be authentically working class.

[Razgovory]

Yeah, maybe don't call members of the working class inbred.

[grumbler]

Nevermind.  Misunderstood an earlier post.

[grumbler]

I'm not sure how the presumed reference to working class became "inbred."  In Georgia, it is perfectly legal to marry a first cousin.  Clearly, Dwayne doesn't consider that inbreeding.

And Dwayne is a standard name of Irish origin. Names lack color.

[Barrister]

I'm not sure how the presumed reference to working class became "inbred."  In Georgia, it is perfectly legal to marry a first cousin.  Clearly, Dwayne doesn't consider that inbreeding.

And Dwayne is a standard name of Irish origin. Names lack color.

While I can think of at least one white Dwayne I know, I do think Dwayne is coded as being a fairly black name.