Finland, Sweden + NATO

[Maladict]

I don't know what is going on in the Netherlands to attract such horrible people.

They came to work in the 60s and 70s, mostly from impoverished rural areas. The culture shock and lack of integration only made them more conservative than they already were.

[mongers]

Sweden to allow the stationing of NATO forces and equipment within the country, 'Sends a strong message to Russia'.

[Duque de Bragança]

I don't know what is going on in the Netherlands to attract such horrible people.

They came to work in the 60s and 70s, mostly from impoverished rural areas. The culture shock and lack of integration only made them more conservative than they already were.

Same as Germany basically.

That's more or less the same story over here, except they came here much later, from the '90s on, with the gästarbeiter programs illusions already dispelled (working 2 or 3 years abroad no need to bring the family etc.) and the programs themselves ended.

[Syt]

https://apnews.com/article/hungary-orban-delay-sweden-nato-bid-f0529443019c3f8161947d30acc59b68

Prime Minister Orbán says Hungary is in no rush to ratify Sweden's NATO bid

BUDAPEST, Hungary (AP) — Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán said Monday that his country is in no hurry to ratify Sweden's bid to join NATO, suggesting the Nordic country could face further delays in becoming a member of the military alliance.

Speaking during the opening autumn session of Hungary's parliament, Orbán told lawmakers that "nothing is threatening Sweden's security," and that Hungary was therefore in "no rush" to ratify its NATO accession.

Orbán's statement came after other high-ranking Hungarian officials recently suggested that Sweden's ratification may not be put on the parliamentary agenda at all during the autumn session. On Thursday, the caucus leader of Orbán's Fidesz party, Mate Kocsis, said he saw "little chance" that parliament would vote on the matter this year.

Hungary remains the only NATO member country, besides Turkey, that hasn't yet approved Sweden's bid to join the alliance. The Nordic nation, along with neighboring Finland, dropped its longstanding military neutrality after Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022, and quickly signaled its intention to join NATO.

Yet Hungary has delayed ratifying its bid since July 2022 while also making vague demands from Stockholm as conditions for approval. Orban's government has alleged that Swedish politicians have told "blatant lies" about the condition of Hungary's democracy, which he says left some lawmakers unsure of whether to support the accession bid.

Fidesz earlier caused multiple delays in ratifying Finland's NATO bid, but swiftly passed the measure in March once Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan indicated that his government would move forward on the ratification.

On Monday, Orbán also criticized the Ukrainian government under President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, saying Hungary would "not support Ukraine on any international issue" until the language rights of a sizeable Hungarian minority in western Ukraine are restored.

He also said Hungary had been "deceived" by a European Union plan to allow Ukrainian grain to transit across Hungary after shipments across the Black Sea were hindered by the war with Russia, and that shipments of Ukrainian products ostensibly bound for Africa had been sold in Hungary for lower prices, pressuring domestic producers.

"Brussels claimed that without Ukrainian grain, serious famine threatened African countries," Orbán said. "After transit across the Black Sea was made impossible by the war, Hungary opened a solidarity transit corridor at Brussels' request so that food could get to Africa from Ukraine and across Hungary. Let's say it straight: They deceived us."

Orbán said that cheaper Ukrainian grain had flooded Hungarian markets, creating a supply glut that had harmed its agricultural industry. Together with Slovakia and Poland, Hungary instituted an import ban on 23 Ukrainian agricultural products on Sept. 15, but will continue to allow their transfer across its territory.

[mongers]

https://apnews.com/article/hungary-orban-delay-sweden-nato-bid-f0529443019c3f8161947d30acc59b68

Prime Minister Orbán says Hungary is in no rush to ratify Sweden's NATO bid

BUDAPEST, Hungary (AP) — Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán said Monday that his country is in no hurry to ratify Sweden's bid to join NATO, suggesting the Nordic country could face further delays in becoming a member of the military alliance.

Speaking during the opening autumn session of Hungary's parliament, Orbán told lawmakers that "nothing is threatening Sweden's security," and that Hungary was therefore in "no rush" to ratify its NATO accession.
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Man the latest Putin bribe/compromat must be huge/significant.

[crazy canuck]

I was going to speculate that having to go farther from Turkey might mean only the middle class liberals are in North America but the Turks in Bulgaria and Greece also voted against Erdogan so who knows?

I don't know what is going on in the Netherlands to attract such horrible people.

That and to get into Canada at least they needed to have either skills that Canada needed or for a time they could get in through the investor route. Either way the people that were admitted into Canada are much more likely to be highly educated, and supporters of some form of liberal democracy.

[Legbiter]

Turkey's president submits protocol for Sweden's admission into NATO to parliament for ratification

https://apnews.com/article/turkey-sweden-nato-erdogan-77dce28b7d7386c2e363f2468d089c11

Something tells me a Koran will catch fire in Stockholm shortly...

[Jacob]

One of the Danish broadsheet ran a headline asking whether it'd be legal or illegal to wrap the Koran in a rainbow flag.

[Duque de Bragança]

One of the Danish broadsheet ran a headline asking whether it'd be legal or illegal to wrap the Koran in a rainbow flag.

 

[Jacob]

This is in response to the less-than-universally-popular new law that burning the Koran to piss off Muslims is illegal.

[Duque de Bragança]

This is in response to the less-than-universally-popular new law that burning the Koran to piss off Muslims is illegal.

Yeah, I figured it was linked. Wonder what's next with those one-purpose laws.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

This is in response to the less-than-universally-popular new law that burning the Koran to piss off Muslims is illegal.

And slice by slice islam destroys our societies

[Josquius]

Burning the koran is hardly a key part of our society.
It's something nobody would bother to do at all if it wasn't the edgelord fashion to piss off Muslims.

[Admiral Yi]

Burning the koran is hardly a key part of our society.
It's something nobody would bother to do at all if it wasn't the edgelord fashion to piss off Muslims.

Mocking religion is a key part of our society.

[Tamas]

Indeed. It would be dishonest to deny that due to the combination of xenophobs targeting Muslims and the likeliness of violent reaction from Muslims, our societies are facing a very real risk of regression when it comes to our freedoms limited on religious grounds. The state making Koran burnings illegal is the state confirming that the Koran is sacred.