Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Hamilcar]

This is such a clusterfuck and it's spiraling out of control. We will probably know the truth soon from all the surveillance data but it won't matter.

[mongers]

This is such a clusterfuck and it's spiraling out of control. We will probably know the truth soon from all the surveillance data but it won't matter.

Isn't this what you wanted, can't drive the Palestinians out of Gaza without atrocities to get them to flee? 

[Hamilcar]

This is such a clusterfuck and it's spiraling out of control. We will probably know the truth soon from all the surveillance data but it won't matter.

Isn't this what you wanted, can't drive the Palestinians out of Gaza without atrocities to get them to flee? 

I don't believe for one second that the IAF targeted a hospital to kill a bunch of people. The fact that you do makes your antisemitism show.

[Admiral Yi]

I don't believe for one second that the IAF targeted a hospital to kill a bunch of people. The fact that you do makes your antisemitism show.

That's stretching things.  I don't believe they purposely targeted a hospital either, but there are the precedents of Deir Yassim and Sabra & Shatila.

[Hamilcar]

I don't believe for one second that the IAF targeted a hospital to kill a bunch of people. The fact that you do makes your antisemitism show.

That's stretching things.  I don't believe they purposely targeted a hospital either, but there are the precedents of Deir Yassim and Sabra & Shatila.

So you think it's plausible that the IDF general staff sat in a meeting earlier and said "lol there's a hospital full of people, let's hit it with a JDAM"?

[Syt]

I think what he might mean to say is that the IDF is absolutely trying to avoid such incidents, but accidents do happen.

[Hamilcar]

I think what he might mean to say is that the IDF is absolutely trying to avoid such incidents, but accidents do happen.

You are being very generous, but that's not at all what Yi is saying.

[Josquius]

This is such a clusterfuck and it's spiraling out of control. We will probably know the truth soon from all the surveillance data but it won't matter.

Isn't this what you wanted, can't drive the Palestinians out of Gaza without atrocities to get them to flee? 

I don't believe for one second that the IAF targeted a hospital to kill a bunch of people. The fact that you do makes your antisemitism show.

Ah yes. Criticising Israel = anti semitism.
This is a key path for recruiting to actual anti semitism.

[Gups]

This is such a clusterfuck and it's spiraling out of control. We will probably know the truth soon from all the surveillance data but it won't matter.

Isn't this what you wanted, can't drive the Palestinians out of Gaza without atrocities to get them to flee? 

I don't believe for one second that the IAF targeted a hospital to kill a bunch of people. The fact that you do makes your antisemitism show.

Since when has IDF = Jews?

[Admiral Yi]

So you think it's plausible that the IDF general staff sat in a meeting earlier and said "lol there's a hospital full of people, let's hit it with a JDAM"?

It stretches the bounds of my credulity.  But I do not think asserting bad intent is a clear cut sign of anti Semitism.

[Gups]

So you think it's plausible that the IDF general staff sat in a meeting earlier and said "lol there's a hospital full of people, let's hit it with a JDAM"?

It stretches the bounds of my credulity.  But I do not think asserting bad intent is a clear cut sign of anti Semitism.

It's not any sign of anti-semitism unless anti-semitism is defined as including any criticism of any action or intention of any Jewish person.

[crazy canuck]

Some thoughts expressed by Ezra Klein on his NYT podcast.  About 15 minutes in length.  Well worth a listen.

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1548604447?i=1000631712100

[Gups]

I really hope that Isreal can produce the proof it says it has that this was caused by a failed launch. I also hope that  it will be possible to show that the evidence has not been tampered with. That won't persuade those who will always take the side of the Palestinians but it will for the middle ground.

[Hamilcar]

I really hope that Isreal can produce the proof it says it has that this was caused by a failed launch. I also hope that  it will be possible to show that the evidence has not been tampered with. That won't persuade those who will always take the side of the Palestinians but it will for the middle ground.

The IDF has provided proof, including conversations discussing the failed rocket.

[Hamilcar]

The hospital wasn't even hit. A parking lot was damaged.