Facebook Follies of Friends and Families

[The Minsky Moment]

Free will can't work as a complete explanation in any event because it can't explain why God permits natural disasters and catastrophes.  The only philosophically workable move IMO is Leibniz, but that has not proved to be very popular.  More people are familiar with Candide than the Theodicy.

[PDH]

If this is the best a perfect god can do then I want a refund on my monad.

[Admiral Yi]

The ball is yours if you want to take a shot.

What Beeb said.  Though family and friends may be feeling great grief, they should be comforted by the knowledge the victims are in a better place now.

[The Minsky Moment]

The ball is yours if you want to take a shot.

What Beeb said.  Though family and friends may be feeling great grief, they should be comforted by the knowledge the victims are in a better place now.

But that was not addressed to family and friends.

[The Minsky Moment]

If this is the best a perfect god can do then I want a refund on my monad.

The 20th century sure didn't do Leibniz's argument any favors.

[Barrister]

The ball is yours if you want to take a shot.

What Beeb said.  Though family and friends may be feeling great grief, they should be comforted by the knowledge the victims are in a better place now.

But that was not addressed to family and friends.

I think the feeling of grief and sorrow was felt by far more than the family and friends of those kids...

[The Minsky Moment]

I think the feeling of grief and sorrow was felt by far more than the family and friends of those kids...

Agreed but that's my point.
It's OK to minimize reality to comfort family because that loss is too great to bear.
The rest of us don't have that excuse.  It's just moral cowardice.

[Admiral Yi]

But that was not addressed to family and friends.

It wasn't addressed to anyone.

[Barrister]

I think the feeling of grief and sorrow was felt by far more than the family and friends of those kids...

Agreed but that's my point.
It's OK to minimize reality to comfort family because that loss is too great to bear.
The rest of us don't have that excuse.  It's just moral cowardice.

Belief in the afterlife in the face of tragedy is "moral cowardice"?

[Admiral Yi]

Agreed but that's my point.
It's OK to minimize reality to comfort family because that loss is too great to bear.
The rest of us don't have that excuse.  It's just moral cowardice.

Sure, your argument is that heaven doesn't exist and therefore the writing is a lie, etc.  But that is not "the best possible spin."  The best possible spin has to include God and Heaven actually existing.

[Josquius]

It is a disturbing path of thinking. Cultish really.
Assuming gods and heaven exist, it seems to be  calling for killing kids ASAP so they get to go there.
That we've no proof they actually exist is just a little cherry on top of a already disturbing line of thought

[The Minsky Moment]

Sure, your argument is that heaven doesn't exist and therefore the writing is a lie, etc. 

No I assume for the sake of argument ('best case') that heaven exists.  It is still perverse to react to this horrific tragedy by celebrating the "storming" of heaven by the victims. 

[Admiral Yi]

It is still perverse to react to this horrific tragedy by celebrating the "storming" of heaven by the victims. 

IMO my spin cribbed from Beeb was much more positive than this, so I would have to say I've made my case that yours is not the best possible spin.

[The Minsky Moment]

It is still perverse to react to this horrific tragedy by celebrating the "storming" of heaven by the victims. 

IMO my spin cribbed from Beeb was much more positive than this, so I would have to say I've made my case that yours is not the best possible spin.

I'll concede the point: "mawkish drivel" is a more positive spin than moral cowardice.

[Tonitrus]

If this is the best a perfect god can do then I want a refund on my monad.

"Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a universe filled with so much that is evil. They have missed a greater conundrum: why would a perfect God create a universe at all?"