Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-23 and Invasion

[Jacob]

Hope it's true. Which front?

[Admiral Yi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1rHYDkJt_8

No clue

[celedhring]

I think that clip is just echoing Ukraine's statement the other day that they had 600 POWs.

[Admiral Yi]

Makes sense.

[Admiral Yi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL7cAhXEM4s

Intercepted call to wife.  Not optimistic.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

"Lena News" is reporting 600 Russians have surrendered.

apparently there are even Russian soldiers that have switched sides too.

[The Larch]

I think it's really interesting that, unlike in previous rounds, the Commission is briefing their proposals ahead of the Council. It strikes me as clever politics and will force countries opposed to them out into the open a little bit more.

And Hungary has now come out as against any sanctions on energy...

[Jacob]

I think it's really interesting that, unlike in previous rounds, the Commission is briefing their proposals ahead of the Council. It strikes me as clever politics and will force countries opposed to them out into the open a little bit more.

And Hungary has now come out as against any sanctions on energy...

Is this a situation where the Hungarian position can undermine EU sanctions significantly?

[celedhring]

I suppose nothing would stop the rest of the EU to sanction energy while Orban does his thing and doesn't follow them. I don't think this is a formal EU power (and thus vetoable), rather just EU countries coordinating themselves.

[Sheilbh]

And Hungary has now come out as against any sanctions on energy...

In fairness the last time that happened there were apparently several other countries (including Germany and at that time Italy who've since shifted) opposed to it - they were just generally happy to let Hungary be the face of it. So it'll be intereting to see if that's happening again or if it really is just Hungary.

I suppose nothing would stop the rest of the EU to sanction energy while Orban does his thing and doesn't follow them. I don't think this is a formal EU power (and thus vetoable), rather just EU countries coordinating themselves.

If it's related to trade or sanctions, that's an EU competence isn't it?

[celedhring]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL7cAhXEM4s

Intercepted call to wife.  Not optimistic.

I think it's fake. Everything the soldier says has already been in the news/rumor mill, there are little personal details.

If it's related to trade or sanctions, that's an EU competence isn't it?

Yep, I was wrong. Just checked it and it's an EU power and one of those falling under unaminity. Ah well, I hope the rest of the Visegrad coterie can eventually strongarm Orban.

[Sheilbh]

The Polish-Hungarian relationship looks fully broken now - I feel like within a year Poland'll be calling for Hungary to be kicked out the EU too.

[Admiral Yi]

I think it's fake. Everything the soldier says has already been in the news/rumor mill, there are little personal details.

Stop picking on me. 

[Josquius]

The Polish-Hungarian relationship looks fully broken now - I feel like within a year Poland'll be calling for Hungary to be kicked out the EU too.

You know you've turned up the fasc dial a smidge much when....

[celedhring]

The Polish-Hungarian relationship looks fully broken now - I feel like within a year Poland'll be calling for Hungary to be kicked out the EU too.

They just need to Article 7 his ass.