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Started by Syt, December 06, 2015, 01:55:02 PM

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Syt

I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

Valmy

I have to question their ability to gather accurate citizenship records for existing gang members.

But #9 is why we need to reform. The economic benefits of immigrants make it impractical to regulate to the extent we want to and we can see the results on this list. George W Bush came into the White House ready to solve this problem but his own party refused to budge. Anytime they want to come up with a practical solution would be great.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

PDH

Of course, in California the illegals/undocumented workers pay taxes.  They are just never going to see any of that money.
I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.
-Umberto Eco

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Valmy

I like how the American taxpayer is FOOTING THE BILL but somehow we might have gotten trillions of dollars of economic activity out of it. Is our investment paying off?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

celedhring

I saw some Trumptard complaining that 10% of jobs in CA are taken by illegals (might be false, not that this lot cares much for the truth). I see that CA has unemployment a hair over 5%, and I doubt that many in this 5% will care for the kind of jobs that illegals can have (gardeners, movers, farm pickers...)

So it looks like CA needs those illegals, and it would be better if we found ways so these guys can stop being illegals.

Valmy

Quote from: celedhring on February 06, 2017, 12:17:28 PM
I saw some Trumptard complaining that 10% of jobs in CA are taken by illegals (might be false, not that this lot cares much for the truth). I see that CA has unemployment a hair below 5%, and I doubt that many in this 5% will care for the kind of jobs that illegals can have (gardeners, movers, farm pickers...)

So it looks like CA needs those illegals, and it would be better if we found ways so these guys can stop being illegals.

We're the same. Which is why both Perry and Bush tried to do things for the immigrants. But in the current atmosphere of the Republican Party that is no longer possible. Now we must sacrifice our economy and well being at the altar of...whatever principle is at stake.

If by some magic the immigration laws were all 100% platonically enforced the economy would melt down. Hence why it never will be.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Tamas

Quote from: PDH on February 06, 2017, 11:58:43 AM
Of course, in California the illegals/undocumented workers pay taxes.  They are just never going to see any of that money.


garbon

"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Tamas


Valmy

Quote from: Tamas on February 06, 2017, 12:39:47 PM
You have some messed up shit going on.



Government policies that completely ignore economic realities tend to be pretty messed up shit.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Tamas

Quote from: Valmy on February 06, 2017, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: Tamas on February 06, 2017, 12:39:47 PM
You have some messed up shit going on.



Government policies that completely ignore economic realities tend to be pretty messed up shit.

What I mean is that somebody can be both an illegal alien, AND be legally able to pay taxes. Unless we are talking about people who have their asylum request pending, I don't see how in a civilised country you can have such chaos.

Grey Fox

#3581
Its their use of the word illegal & we think it's people hiding in false basements from the Nazis but the reality is far from that.

Quote from: Tamas on February 06, 2017, 12:55:08 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 06, 2017, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: Tamas on February 06, 2017, 12:39:47 PM
You have some messed up shit going on.



Government policies that completely ignore economic realities tend to be pretty messed up shit.

What I mean is that somebody can be both an illegal alien, AND be legally able to pay taxes. Unless we are talking about people who have their asylum request pending, I don't see how in a civilised country you can have such chaos.
Quote from: Tamas on February 06, 2017, 12:39:47 PM
You have some messed up shit going on.

This is the country where the IRS wants you to pay taxes on your illegal drug money income. Doesn't care that it's illegal.
Colonel Caliga is Awesome.

Valmy

#3582
Quote from: Tamas on February 06, 2017, 12:55:08 PM
What I mean is that somebody can be both an illegal alien, AND be legally able to pay taxes. Unless we are talking about people who have their asylum request pending, I don't see how in a civilised country you can have such chaos.

Our country was designed to be chaotic. It is what freedom is all about.

There is always that quote:
QuoteAmericans are the only race which passed directly from barbarism to decadence without knowing civilization.

No idea who said it though.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Oexmelin

Chaos was quite far from the Founding Father's ideal.
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garbon

Quote from: Tamas on February 06, 2017, 12:55:08 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 06, 2017, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: Tamas on February 06, 2017, 12:39:47 PM
You have some messed up shit going on.



Government policies that completely ignore economic realities tend to be pretty messed up shit.

What I mean is that somebody can be both an illegal alien, AND be legally able to pay taxes. Unless we are talking about people who have their asylum request pending, I don't see how in a civilised country you can have such chaos.

Well if you are using a fake social security card, technically you aren't 'legally' paying taxes.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.