Interactive google map showing the impact of rising sea levels: http://flood.firetree.net/?ll=49.1682,-122.9123&z=6&m=4
It's on Vancouver (my house is fine unitl 50m+ :) ), but you can move it anywhere you want (Denmark is not sitting pretty).
Not a problem
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/sweden-the-land-of-the-rising-coastline-8373787.html
QuoteThe uplift of almost a centimetre a year, one of the highest rates in the world, is part of a geological rebound that has been taking place since the end of the Ice Age removed a vast ice sheet from regions around the Arctic Circle. "It's a bit like a foam rubber mattress. It takes a while to return to normal after you get up," said Martin Vermeer, a professor of geodesy at Aalto University in Finland. Finland gains 2.7 square miles a year as the land rises.
QuoteMeanwhile, elsewhere in the world, many nations are worried by the costs should sea levels rise in line with scenarios modelled by UN climate-change scientists – in 2007, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predicted increases of between 18cm and 59cm during this century, after 17cm in the last one. As a result, representatives of almost 200 governments are currently meeting in Doha, Qatar, to try to revive a UN-led effort to slow climate change, which is also projected to cause more floods, droughts, heatwaves and powerful storms.
I'm underwater after 13m :(
+60 and still dry. So the gun nut is gooooooooooood.. :showoff:
Now this is interesting. What a wonderful world that is to come.
Where I live now in Atlanta, good at +60.
Where I grew up in Camilla, good until about +40.
Where I used to have a place in New Orleans...about +3 floods.
Aren't almost all of the flooding estimates wildly pessimistic?
Aren't most estimates of sea level rise somewhat less than 1-2m? This will still be catestrohpic in certain areas, but nothing like the massive and widespread flooding this tool suggests.
His name is Jacob.
:lol: Back in the 70s when everyone was worried about global cooling, Jake would've been sharing scary glaciation maps.
Quote from: derspiess on June 12, 2013, 02:55:55 PM
:lol: Back in the 70s when everyone was worried about global cooling, Jake would've been sharing scary glaciation maps.
:huh:
But this isn't the 70s, and nobody is worried about global cooling...
The area around Laval begins to have trouble at 7m, Charlemagne will be flooded. 9m, the eastern part of Montreal's island is flooded.
At 2m, I lose the highway near my city. At 60m, my step-sister and my step brother are underwater but I'm still ok, my house becomes beachfront property and probably increase twofold in value. Who says there was nothing positive to global warming??
At 30m, my house becomes beach front property :cool: At 40m I'm underwater.
I don't care about global warming, the earth wasnt build for us anyway.
Quote from: Barrister on June 12, 2013, 02:57:16 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 12, 2013, 02:55:55 PM
:lol: Back in the 70s when everyone was worried about global cooling, Jake would've been sharing scary glaciation maps.
:huh:
But this isn't the 70s, and nobody is worried about global cooling...
:mellow:
Most of the world would be long drowned before the water ever gets all the way up here. I'd have bigger problems by then I think.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 12, 2013, 03:15:59 PM
Most of the world would be long drowned before the water ever gets all the way up here. I'd have bigger problems by then I think.
The world has almost completely drowned and you worry about YOUR problems?
Quote from: Barrister on June 12, 2013, 02:45:57 PM
Aren't almost all of the flooding estimates wildly pessimistic?
Aren't most estimates of sea level rise somewhat less than 1-2m? This will still be catestrohpic in certain areas, but nothing like the massive and widespread flooding this tool suggests.
I just posted it because I thought it's interesting - more like a
what if than a "omg look what's going to happen!"
From what I gather, they're saying if
all the polar ice melts we're looking at 60m rise + a bit more from the glaciers that presumably will also melt under those conditions. I don't think anyone is projecting the icecaps to melt completely in the near future.
Quote from: derspiess on June 12, 2013, 02:55:55 PM
:lol: Back in the 70s when everyone was worried about global cooling, Jake would've been sharing scary glaciation maps.
Unlikely, given my age at the time.
Quote from: derspiess on June 12, 2013, 02:55:55 PM
:lol: Back in the 70s when everyone was worried about global cooling, Jake would've been sharing scary glaciation maps.
:lol: Now in 2013, people who proudly celebrate willful ignorance repeat a talking point borne out of proud willful ignorance.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm (http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm)
More people are land insecure today than at any earlier point since measurements began.
I always thought that the global cooling thing was more tied to nuclear winter than anything.
Nuclear winter isn't coming.
Quote from: Neil on June 12, 2013, 03:37:08 PM
I always thought that the global cooling thing was more tied to nuclear winter than anything.
Nah - I vaguely remember reading some 70s-era sci-fi that talked about a new ice age.
Quote from: The Brain on June 12, 2013, 03:38:52 PM
Nuclear winter isn't coming.
We'll see. I like the idea.
Midwinter was a great game.
Quote from: Barrister on June 12, 2013, 03:41:06 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 12, 2013, 03:37:08 PM
I always thought that the global cooling thing was more tied to nuclear winter than anything.
Nah - I vaguely remember reading some 70s-era sci-fi that talked about a new ice age.
Well that settles it then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling
http://denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf
Quote from: Jacob on June 12, 2013, 03:43:38 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 12, 2013, 03:41:06 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 12, 2013, 03:37:08 PM
I always thought that the global cooling thing was more tied to nuclear winter than anything.
Nah - I vaguely remember reading some 70s-era sci-fi that talked about a new ice age.
Well that settles it then.
Glad I could help. :)
I look forward to having waterfront property :showoff:
Quote from: derspiess on June 12, 2013, 03:51:22 PM
http://denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf
That conforms with garbon's link to wikipedia:
QuoteGlobal cooling was a conjecture during the 1970s of imminent cooling of the Earth's surface and atmosphere along with a posited commencement of glaciation. This hypothesis had little support in the scientific community, but gained temporary popular attention due to a combination of a slight downward trend of temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s and press reports that did not accurately reflect the scientific understanding of ice age cycles. In contrast to the global cooling conjecture, the current scientific opinion on climate change is that the Earth has not durably cooled, but undergone global warming throughout the 20th century.
Which again is consistent with dguller's link.
I'm glad you're all in agreement :cheers:
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 12, 2013, 03:57:04 PM
I look forward to having waterfront property :showoff:
How much of an increase do you need for that? 150m?
Quote from: Jacob on June 12, 2013, 03:59:15 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 12, 2013, 03:57:04 PM
I look forward to having waterfront property :showoff:
How much of an increase do you need for that? 150m?
:D
Thirteen metres seems to be beach-front territory for me, but since I all but live 'in' a river, it'll get problematic for me a fair bit before that, assuming such scenarios see increased rainfall.
However thirteen metres is far more of a problem for London:
http://flood.firetree.net/?ll=51.5000,0.0524&zoom=10&m=13 (http://flood.firetree.net/?ll=51.5000,0.0524&zoom=10&m=13)
Portsmouth and it's hinterland is in greater danger, 9 metres sees it all but gone, this map suggest about 250,00-300,000 would be displace in this area of my home county:
Quote from: Jacob on June 12, 2013, 02:06:17 PM
(Denmark is not sitting pretty).
What are you talking about? I'll be getting an ocean view and we'll get rid of Amager, win/win. :P
My apartment is safe at up to 70 meters. However, the lobby would be flooded at 9 meters, so I'll have to really stock up on food when it gets to 8.5 meter mark.
As long as it doesn't happen for 30-40 more years, I'm, like, whatever.
I thought we already debunked the global cooling thing here before. I guess Derspeiss wasn't here that day.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 12, 2013, 07:58:16 PM
I thought we already debunked the global cooling thing here before. I guess Derspeiss wasn't here that day.
I don't think these people listen, to be honest.
If we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on earth.
If the ice melts, we'll have enough water for fracking. :cool:
p.s. didn't realize Phil was still a teenager
Is the map just a simple 'paint all areas blue that are below x sea level' dealy or does it take into account natural barriers?
Quote from: Viking on June 12, 2013, 02:16:05 PM
Not a problem
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/sweden-the-land-of-the-rising-coastline-8373787.html
QuoteThe uplift of almost a centimetre a year, one of the highest rates in the world, is part of a geological rebound that has been taking place since the end of the Ice Age removed a vast ice sheet from regions around the Arctic Circle. "It's a bit like a foam rubber mattress. It takes a while to return to normal after you get up," said Martin Vermeer, a professor of geodesy at Aalto University in Finland. Finland gains 2.7 square miles a year as the land rises.
QuoteMeanwhile, elsewhere in the world, many nations are worried by the costs should sea levels rise in line with scenarios modelled by UN climate-change scientists – in 2007, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predicted increases of between 18cm and 59cm during this century, after 17cm in the last one. As a result, representatives of almost 200 governments are currently meeting in Doha, Qatar, to try to revive a UN-led effort to slow climate change, which is also projected to cause more floods, droughts, heatwaves and powerful storms.
The cutting off of the north atlantic drift will be what sends you guys into refugee camps in the UK. :menace:
Quote from: Razgovory on June 12, 2013, 07:58:16 PM
I thought we already debunked the global cooling thing here before. I guess Derspeiss wasn't here that day.
:lol: I'm sure you did, hat-boy.
Quote from: derspiess on June 12, 2013, 08:54:27 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 12, 2013, 07:58:16 PM
I thought we already debunked the global cooling thing here before. I guess Derspeiss wasn't here that day.
:lol: I'm sure you did, hat-boy.
It wasn't me. Someone posted a graph of articles about global cooling and global warming. Global cooling was never something that everyone was talking about.
Quote from: Tyr on June 12, 2013, 08:49:06 PM
Is the map just a simple 'paint all areas blue that are below x sea level' dealy or does it take into account natural barriers?
The former. I looked at a close-in of South Florida and it was just highlighting every lake, pond, and other low spot on the map.
Quote from: DGuller on June 12, 2013, 08:15:02 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 12, 2013, 07:58:16 PM
I thought we already debunked the global cooling thing here before. I guess Derspeiss wasn't here that day.
I don't think these people listen, to be honest.
Oh, I bet we could get him to answer differently if he was paid for a right answer.
If it hits 7200 feet Laramie will be 20 feet from flooding!
Quote from: Razgovory on June 12, 2013, 09:07:07 PM
Global cooling was never something that everyone was talking about.
Wasn't there a Time cover article or some such?
At any rate, you're right. MAD was a much scarier prospect than global cooling in the 70s.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on June 12, 2013, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: Tyr on June 12, 2013, 08:49:06 PM
Is the map just a simple 'paint all areas blue that are below x sea level' dealy or does it take into account natural barriers?
The former. I looked at a close-in of South Florida and it was just highlighting every lake, pond, and other low spot on the map.
But only on the coasts. The level of the Great Lakes, for example, doesn't rise.
I have long decided that I am not going to care about global warming or rising sea levels.
Think of children.
Quote from: Phillip V on June 12, 2013, 10:13:22 PM
Think of children.
I'll be dead while the future's children are growing up, what's that to me?
Quote from: garbon on June 12, 2013, 10:16:49 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on June 12, 2013, 10:13:22 PM
Think of children.
I'll be dead while the future's children are growing up, what's that to me?
Fecking Keynesian .
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Under water at 20m. The house I'm going to be moving into next month is under at 4m. :(
not even CLOSE at 60 meters.
Vienna is safe, but with even a 1 meter rise my old hometown would suddenly be a coastal city.
Quote from: garbon on June 12, 2013, 10:16:49 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on June 12, 2013, 10:13:22 PM
Think of children.
I'll be dead while the future's children are growing up, what's that to me?
If you want, we can hurry that along.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 13, 2013, 03:29:20 AM
Quote from: garbon on June 12, 2013, 10:16:49 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on June 12, 2013, 10:13:22 PM
Think of children.
I'll be dead while the future's children are growing up, what's that to me?
If you want, we can hurry that along.
Can you grow future's children faster?
Quote from: PDH on June 12, 2013, 09:16:50 PM
If it hits 7200 feet Laramie will be 20 feet from flooding!
pfft your ass has a super caldera to worry about.
According to the map the water should be seeping in already (at 0 m.) :yeah:
Quote from: katmai on June 13, 2013, 06:18:15 AM
Quote from: PDH on June 12, 2013, 09:16:50 PM
If it hits 7200 feet Laramie will be 20 feet from flooding!
pfft your ass has a super caldera to worry about.
No joke. That thing ever pops, it'll make Krakatoa look like a roman candle. It's like having a dozen Tsar Bombas under our skin.
Of course Wyoming shares. Our potential disaster is for the world, just like with rising sea levels.
Have you guys heard that while Humans may have helped global warming along & we are simply at the tail end of an Ice Age? There's evidence that they last much longer the previously estimated.
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 13, 2013, 09:17:41 AM
Have you guys heard that while Humans may have helped global warming along & we are simply at the tail end of an Ice Age? There's evidence that they last much longer the previously estimated.
Yes. Well we have noticed the temperature going upwards. A big question was whether it was a natural increase or the result of Al Gore.
It could be both too, don't discredit that one!
The question I guess would be if the underlying trend or human action is the more powerful factor. Or maybe that's not really important at all and we should be thinking about whether or not it's a good idea to somehow try to keep the planet in some sort of climate stasis because it suits our purpose.
Edit: My number is 1524 meters.
How can we discuss any of that when half the world are a bunch of Religious retards that believe the world was created for US?
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 13, 2013, 11:26:41 AM
How can we discuss any of that when half the world are a bunch of Religious retards that believe the world was created for US?
Some of us are religious retards who believe that we were created for the world. :sleep:
That being said, I've long thought along the same lines as MiM.
Quote from: merithyn on June 13, 2013, 11:34:41 AM
Some of us are religious retards who believe that we were created for the world. :sleep:
If that is the case then that was a decision the Creator would surely want back.
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 13, 2013, 02:35:02 PM
If that is the case then that was a decision the Creator would surely want back.
Maybe we were sent to punish the world for its sins. Sharks were becoming prideful about their fins.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 13, 2013, 11:21:47 AM
The question I guess would be if the underlying trend or human action is the more powerful factor. Or maybe that's not really important at all and we should be thinking about whether or not it's a good idea to somehow try to keep the planet in some sort of climate stasis because it suits our purpose.
Well, we know the sun is not producing more output. We know we ain't close to the sun.
Basically what's left is:
- change in Earth's magnetic field
- change in Earth's axis
- increase CO2 release in the atmosphere
We know for a fact #3 has had effect on Earth's climate in the past. It's reasonable to assume it still has.
Now we know the only source (the only increase, I mean) is from human source. There's no more volcano eruption than usual, so that's not the case. No super volcano either.
In the absence of other reasonable explanations, we should assume that the scientific community who spent years studying this has it right.
Even if they're wrong, what have we to lose? Less dependance on fossile fuels? Producing electricity not from gaz or oil but from water, wind or sun? I don't see how that's bad.
Quote from: viper37 on June 13, 2013, 03:09:01 PM
Even if they're wrong, what have we to lose?
Alberta will become PEI but worse.
Quote from: viper37 on June 13, 2013, 03:09:01 PM
Even if they're wrong, what have we to lose? Less dependance on fossile fuels? Producing electricity not from gaz or oil but from water, wind or sun? I don't see how that's bad.
It's bad if it's more expensive than the alternative.
Quote from: Jacob on June 12, 2013, 02:06:17 PM
Interactive google map showing the impact of rising sea levels: http://flood.firetree.net/?ll=49.1682,-122.9123&z=6&m=4
It's on Vancouver (my house is fine unitl 50m+ :) ), but you can move it anywhere you want (Denmark is not sitting pretty).
Apparently Anchorage laughs at your puny Rising Sea levels.
At least according to this map there is no change as they don't have us showing up :P
A rise of a few meters would see a lot of former ports on the coast again: Places like Efesus or Miletus. The Thermopiles would be as narrow as they were when the 300 defended them. A couple more meters and the plain below Troy would resemble the one described by Homer as well.
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 13, 2013, 02:35:02 PM
Quote from: merithyn on June 13, 2013, 11:34:41 AM
Some of us are religious retards who believe that we were created for the world. :sleep:
If that is the case then that was a decision the Creator would surely want back.
One could say that Global Warming is one way to make that happen. :tinfoil:
Quote from: Iormlund on June 14, 2013, 12:28:54 PM
A rise of a few meters would see a lot of former ports on the coast again: Places like Efesus or Miletus. The Thermopiles would be as narrow as they were when the 300 defended them. A couple more meters and the plain below Troy would resemble the one described by Homer as well.
Huh. 10-20 meters and Argos is a port too.
Edit: Five meters and Carthage is on an island. Ten and most of the old city is underwater. :huh:
Quote from: Phillip V on June 12, 2013, 08:16:36 PM
If we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on earth.
QuoteI believe that when we leave a place, part of it goes with us and part of us remains. Go anywhere in the station when it is quiet, and just listen. After a while, you will hear the echoes of all our conversations, every thought and word we've exchanged. Long after we are gone, our voices will linger in these walls for as long as this place remains. But I will admit that the part of me that is going will very much miss the part of you that is staying.
Could be.
Just the same, I think I'll invest in SCUBA equipment manufacturers.