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Title: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 11, 2013, 03:59:24 PM
From Max Fisher's blog on WaPo.

QuoteWho loves and hates America: A revealing map of global opinion toward the U.S.
posted by Max Fisher on January 11, 2013 at 11:14 am
WashingtonPost.com

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One of the most common answers I hear when I ask foreigners what they think about the U.S. is some variation of this: "You Americans are all so obsessed with how you're perceived overseas." In that spirit, even if it means reinforcing a stereotype, I've mapped some new data on global opinion of the United States, as part of a series of posts on Pew's fascinating and just-out "global attitudes" study.

The map at the top of the post shows positive and negative opinions of the U.S. across the world. The poll works just like a presidential poll: Pew called people up and asked them if they had a favorable opinion of the U.S. or an unfavorable opinion (there was also a choice for no answer). Countries with a more favorable opinion are in blue (the darker the blue, the more favorable); red shows more unfavorable attitudes. A quick note about the data: most of it is from 2012, but I also pulled the 2011 numbers for Kenya, Ukraine, Indonesia and Lithuania; as well as the 2010 numbers for Argentina, Nigeria and South Korea; these countries were not included in the most recent survey.

My first impression is that nobody polarizes public opinion like Uncle Sam. Pew asked for respondents to give their impressions of several different countries (more on this in later posts), and the U.S. seemed to draw by far the strongest responses. It's not really surprising that people have strong opinions about America, but it is a reminder of how closely we're watched around the world and of the strong feelings that the American model and American foreign policy elicit.

The harshest views of America are in, no surprises, the Middle East and South Asia. Egyptians, Jordanians, Turks and Pakistanis all seem to see the United States in an overwhelmingly unfavorable light. As Turkey's economy grows, its foreign policy becomes more assertive and democratization gives the Turkish people a stronger role in government, the negative view of the U.S. there could become more important for the world.

Still, it's important not to make the mistake of confusing these four anti-American countries, which have their own reasons for disliking the U.S. (drones in Pakistan, perceived support for Hosni Mubarak in Egypt), with the entire Middle East or "Muslim world." Indonesia and India, which have two of the largest Muslim populations in the world, both returned mildly positive views of America. Views vary even in the Arab Middle East; Tunisians and Lebanese seemed ambivalent, reporting roughly equivalent favorable and unfavorable numbers. And Nigerians, half of whom are Muslim, positively beam pro-Americanism: They report a more favorable view of the U.S. than Americans themselves do.

So who seems to like America? It's a long list – longer than you might expect. To give a comparative sense, recent polls find that Americans give President Obama 59 percent "favorable" and 40 percent "unfavorable" ratings. And he just won reelection, so we can say those are pretty good numbers. America scores similar favorability ratings in a few countries we might assume, wrongly, don't like us so much: Mexico, despite U.S. immigration policies targeting Mexicans, and Russia, where President Vladimir Putin has pushed some populist anti-Americanism. We are also moderately liked in the post-Soviet state of Ukraine, in Brazil and in the United Kingdom. I thought we'd be more popular in the U.K., where politicians make a big deal out of the "special relationship" with Washington. It's possible that there's still some sense that once-great Britain is being led around by its former colony (I've heard some Brits worry about becoming the "51st state"), as well as lingering resentment over the view that the U.K. was pulled into the Iraq War.

The U.S. is most popular in continental Europe and sub-Saharan Africa, as well as the northeast Asian countries of South Korea and Japan. Those latter two are interesting cases: Both are pro-American democracies still defended by a large U.S. military presence. But that military presence forcibly occupied Japan only two generations ago (though it helped to build democracy there), and in South Korea it propped up a long-running dictatorship; Japanese and Koreans occasionally protest the American bases. The remarkably pro-Americanism of sub-Saharan Africa is its own interesting phenomenon; it's shown up in many more surveys than just this one. Many Africans, I've been told by scholars of the region, are keenly aware of how well African Americans have been doing since the civil rights movement, and see it as a point of African pride that the leader of the world's most powerful country has roots in their continent.

The few countries that seem ambivalent toward the U.S., or at least equal parts favorable and unfavorable, are an interesting mix. China's take is unsurprising: The U.S. is seen as a symbol of prosperity and possibility there, but also of Western imperialism and disrespect toward China. Greece and Lebanon both have strong ties to Greek-American and Lebanese-American communities, which helps build positive attitudes, but also tend to condemn U.S. foreign policy. The big surprise here is Germany, which breaks from the positive view of America common across Europe, even in Russia. But that could say more about Germans, who seem to have a dim view of nearly every country on Earth.  :lol:  More on that in a later post. Keep checking back.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: derspiess on January 11, 2013, 04:08:06 PM
The Argie one is probably due to the fact that I forgot to put out the garbage Thursday night.  Sorry :(
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Eddie Teach on January 11, 2013, 04:12:09 PM
QuoteMexico, despite U.S. immigration policies targeting Mexicans,

Well, they are the ones immigrating.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Valmy on January 11, 2013, 04:15:29 PM
And it is not like we enforce those policies very effectively  :P
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Barrister on January 11, 2013, 04:20:47 PM
I found Brazil somewhat surprising.  I also wonder why the high positives in Kenya and Nigeria (I think), but grey everywhere else in sub-saharan Africa.  Lack of data perhaps?
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Agelastus on January 11, 2013, 04:25:43 PM
The United States is truly an amazing country; it can even get the Greeks and Turks to agree on an issue... ;)
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 11, 2013, 04:30:23 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2013, 04:20:47 PM
I found Brazil somewhat surprising.  I also wonder why the high positives in Kenya and Nigeria (I think), but grey everywhere else in sub-saharan Africa.  Lack of data perhaps?

I believe gray means they weren't polled.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Phillip V on January 11, 2013, 04:48:45 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2013, 04:20:47 PM
I found Brazil somewhat surprising.  I also wonder why the high positives in Kenya and Nigeria (I think), but grey everywhere else in sub-saharan Africa.  Lack of data perhaps?
Kenya considers Obama a native son. No polling data from rest of black Africa except Nigeria, so maybe Nigeria is also happy about Obama.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: garbon on January 11, 2013, 04:48:52 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 11, 2013, 04:30:23 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2013, 04:20:47 PM
I found Brazil somewhat surprising.  I also wonder why the high positives in Kenya and Nigeria (I think), but grey everywhere else in sub-saharan Africa.  Lack of data perhaps?

I believe gray means they weren't polled.

Yep. Read the little blurb about sub-saharan africa in the text Seeds posted, BB.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: derspiess on January 11, 2013, 04:50:15 PM
Damnit, Beeb.  Gray means they weren't polled!!!
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: PDH on January 11, 2013, 05:01:15 PM
Map sucks.  Little islands are all round.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: The Brain on January 11, 2013, 05:12:44 PM
I like to post and delete.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: derspiess on January 11, 2013, 05:15:38 PM
Quote from: PDH on January 11, 2013, 05:01:15 PM
Map sucks.  Little islands are all round.

And they didn't use red for British territory.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: The Brain on January 11, 2013, 05:30:31 PM
I don't hate America much.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Razgovory on January 11, 2013, 05:52:17 PM
What's with Russia these days?
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on January 11, 2013, 06:04:23 PM
Israel seems pretty iffy on their approval.  Maybe they'd be more comfortable depending on China.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Malthus on January 11, 2013, 06:16:15 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on January 11, 2013, 06:04:23 PM
Israel seems pretty iffy on their approval.  Maybe they'd be more comfortable depending on China.

Huh? Israel isn't on the chart.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Tonitrus on January 11, 2013, 06:30:19 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 11, 2013, 05:52:17 PM
What's with Russia these days?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OcSvIRBgQU
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Ed Anger on January 11, 2013, 07:15:01 PM
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Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Josquius on January 11, 2013, 07:26:03 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on January 11, 2013, 04:48:45 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2013, 04:20:47 PM
I found Brazil somewhat surprising.  I also wonder why the high positives in Kenya and Nigeria (I think), but grey everywhere else in sub-saharan Africa.  Lack of data perhaps?
Kenya considers Obama a native son. No polling data from rest of black Africa except Nigeria, so maybe Nigeria is also happy about Obama.

Yeah, his dad was from one of the biggest tribes in Kenya so they love him.

There's also however the factor of America being what they aspire to being, Kenya and Nigeria are amongst the better off English speaking countries and Kenya at least is developing very well.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: mongers on January 11, 2013, 07:57:22 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 11, 2013, 05:15:38 PM
Quote from: PDH on January 11, 2013, 05:01:15 PM
Map sucks.  Little islands are all round.

And they didn't use red for British territory.

Which would have been more accurate as well.  :P
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Valmy on January 11, 2013, 08:16:37 PM
Quote from: Tyr on January 11, 2013, 07:26:03 PM
Kenya at least is developing very well.

That is a very liberal definition of 'very well' there.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Caliga on January 11, 2013, 10:00:40 PM
Fucking Turks and Greeks. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: dps on January 11, 2013, 11:48:27 PM
I'm surprised that Italy has so favorable an opinion of the US.  I guess we need to have the Air Force kill some more skiers.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Josquius on January 11, 2013, 11:52:12 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 11, 2013, 08:16:37 PM
That is a very liberal definition of 'very well' there.
:unsure:
Silicon savannah is really taking off thanks to that new East African net cable and a rather good minister they have. They've been posting some rather good general growth numbers too.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: derspiess on January 12, 2013, 12:20:57 AM
Quote from: Caliga on January 11, 2013, 10:00:40 PM
Fucking Turks and Greeks. :rolleyes:

I'm just surprised there's something they agree on.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 12, 2013, 02:34:08 AM
Africans generally love the US because of our color blind immigration system and because they can make millions playing sports once they get here.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: PRC on January 12, 2013, 02:50:28 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 12, 2013, 02:34:08 AM
Africans generally love the US because of our color blind immigration system and because they can make millions playing sports once they get here.

How many African immigrants have made millions playing sports once they get there?

Dikembe Mutumbo & Manut Bol are the only ones that come to mind but i just like saying their names over and over.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Syt on January 12, 2013, 03:03:41 AM
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Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Martinus on January 12, 2013, 03:54:25 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 12, 2013, 02:34:08 AM
Africans generally love the US because of our color blind immigration system and because they can make millions playing sports once they get here.

That's a novel take on slavery.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Eddie Teach on January 12, 2013, 03:56:40 AM
Quote from: PRC on January 12, 2013, 02:50:28 AM
How many African immigrants have made millions playing sports once they get there?

Dikembe Mutumbo & Manut Bol are the only ones that come to mind but i just like saying their names over and over.

Hakeem Olajuwon and Christian Okoye as well.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 12, 2013, 04:09:09 AM
Take a look at any NFL roster.  African names all over the place.  They're the new Samoans.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: derspiess on January 12, 2013, 01:09:46 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 12, 2013, 04:09:09 AM
Take a look at any NFL roster.  African names all over the place.  They're the new Samoans.

Not to mention all the Africans who come over here to play college hoops in hopes of making it big.  Not all do, of course. 
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2013, 03:27:14 PM
Check washing, credit card fraud and bank fraud is a lot easier to commit here than it is all the way in Nigeria.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: The Brain on January 12, 2013, 03:31:29 PM
Indeed. American security is a joke.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: The Larch on January 12, 2013, 04:34:48 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 12, 2013, 04:09:09 AM
Take a look at any NFL roster.  African names all over the place.  They're the new Samoans.

If you take a closer look beyond their name you'll find that they're american born.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 12, 2013, 05:00:59 PM
Quote from: The Larch on January 12, 2013, 04:34:48 PM
If you take a closer look beyond their name you'll find that they're american born.

Doesn't really refute my point though.  African family immigrates to the US, their sons grow up to be gigantic Mandingo warriors and make a mint playing defensive line.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: The Larch on January 12, 2013, 05:03:57 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 12, 2013, 05:00:59 PM
Quote from: The Larch on January 12, 2013, 04:34:48 PM
If you take a closer look beyond their name you'll find that they're american born.

Doesn't really refute my point though.  African family immigrates to the US, their sons grow up to be gigantic Mandingo warriors and make a mint playing defensive line.

But the original inmigrants didn't move so their kids could play football, that was one unforeseen consequence.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Agelastus on January 12, 2013, 06:10:32 PM
Quote from: Tyr on January 11, 2013, 11:52:12 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 11, 2013, 08:16:37 PM
That is a very liberal definition of 'very well' there.
:unsure:
Silicon savannah is really taking off thanks to that new East African net cable and a rather good minister they have. They've been posting some rather good general growth numbers too.

Haven't the killings already started in their latest election campaign?
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 12, 2013, 06:27:24 PM
Quote from: The Larch on January 12, 2013, 05:03:57 PM
But the original inmigrants didn't move so their kids could play football, that was one unforeseen consequence.

So what?  You think the parents are upset their kids got full ride scholarships and are making a million a year?  You think the extended family back in the old country is upset?
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: The Larch on January 12, 2013, 07:01:22 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 12, 2013, 06:27:24 PM
Quote from: The Larch on January 12, 2013, 05:03:57 PM
But the original inmigrants didn't move so their kids could play football, that was one unforeseen consequence.

So what?  You think the parents are upset their kids got full ride scholarships and are making a million a year?  You think the extended family back in the old country is upset?

Of course not, but that was not their objective in the first place. It's icing on the cake.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: sbr on January 12, 2013, 07:36:23 PM
What percentage of African immigrant off-spring do you think get a full ride?  75-80%?
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 12, 2013, 08:06:38 PM
Quote from: sbr on January 12, 2013, 07:36:23 PM
What percentage of African immigrant off-spring do you think get a full ride?  75-80%?

A thousandth of a percent?

I wasn't really 100% serious that Africans like the US because all their immigrants go pro.

But I tend to think they view the US green card lottery as pretty nice, and that once the immigrants get here they're treated pretty well.
Title: Re: Who loves and hates America: a graph!
Post by: Valmy on January 12, 2013, 09:19:29 PM
Quote from: Tyr on January 11, 2013, 11:52:12 PM
:unsure:
Silicon savannah is really taking off thanks to that new East African net cable and a rather good minister they have. They've been posting some rather good general growth numbers too.

Pretty anemic growth lately, barely keeping up with population growth...and not to mention the recent political unstability.