QuoteNFL Lines For Week 14 - NFL Football Line Week Fourteen
NFL Line 12/6 - 12/10, 2012
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
12/6 8:25 ET Denver -10 At Oakland 48.5
12/9 1:00 ET At Washington -2.5 Baltimore 47.5
12/9 1:00 ET At Cleveland -6.5 Kansas City 37.5
12/9 1:00 ET At Pittsburgh -6.5 San Diego 43
12/9 1:00 ET At Indianapolis -5.5 Tennessee 48
12/9 1:00 ET NY Jets -2.5 At Jacksonville 38.5
12/9 1:00 ET Chicago -3 At Minnesota 39
12/9 1:00 ET Atlanta -3.5 At Carolina 47.5
12/9 1:00 ET At Tampa Bay -7.5 Philadelphia 47.5
12/9 1:00 ET At Buffalo -3 St. Louis 42
12/9 1:00 ET At Cincinnati -3 Dallas 45.5
12/9 4:05 ET At San Francisco -10 Miami 39
12/9 4:25 ET At NY Giants -5 New Orleans 53
12/9 4:25 ET At Seattle -10 Arizona 35.5
12/9 8:30 ET At Green Bay -7 Detroit 51
Monday Night Football Line
12/10 8:40 ET At New England -3.5 Houston 51.5
Ugh, the Foreskins.
Ugh, Tony Homo.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 06, 2012, 07:03:27 AM
Ugh, the Foreskins.
Hey the Ravens have a chance to all but end their season.
Almost wish the Cowgirls were favored. They have a tendency to defy the odds one way or the other.
Quote from: derspiess on December 06, 2012, 10:46:52 AM
Almost wish the Cowgirls were favored. They have a tendency to defy the odds one way or the other.
Even inside the same game. As soon as you think the cowgirls have the game wrapped up they find a way to lose...and just as you think the game is over and they have lost they come on strong. They just enjoy torturing their fans Godbless em. Their fans deserve it.
Quote from: Valmy on December 06, 2012, 10:49:10 AM
Quote from: derspiess on December 06, 2012, 10:46:52 AM
Almost wish the Cowgirls were favored. They have a tendency to defy the odds one way or the other.
Even inside the same game. As soon as you think the cowgirls have the game wrapped up they find a way to lose...and just as you think the game is over and they have lost they come on strong. They just enjoy torturing their fans Godbless em. Their fans deserve it.
In this vein I hope they are up by 7 points or less when the 4th quarter starts :)
Oakland performing to expectations. Ooof. Even when Peyton isn't amazing, they still can't make it respectable. It hurts even more that Seedy benefited from his decent performance to Janikowski and Tamme's awfulness in LFFL. Number 1 seed and out? Let's go Bengals! :lol: The coolness of seeing the Raider Hall of Famers was balanced out by the charts showing Oakland's recent top 10 first round picks. Having to be reminded of that lineup is always painful. Especially when those are the Raiders teams I know/knew best as opposed to the Hall of Famers who were the teams my old man got to watch. I am looking forward to the Bo Jackson 30 for 30 though. Such an awesome athlete to watch in his prime. My sole remaining football decision to make is if I want to go to the local Browns' Backers Christmas party Sunday. They play the Chiefs, so there's a chance of victory.
Stop being so dramatic. Nothing is lost.
BA, it's going to take time. Al's corpse just went into the ground.
QuoteI am looking forward to the Bo Jackson 30 for 30 though. Such an awesome athlete to watch in his prime.
Personally, I want to see the one on Marcus Allen. If it weren't for Al Davis, he could've smashed every record in the book.
Did you know Art Modell offered Davis a first round pick and cash for Allen a month before the season in 1989, after Byner was traded and Kevin Mack was suspended by the league, and he said no?
Al Davis' racist, faggoty and irrational hatred for Marcus Allen is the reason why he'll always be roasting in hell. Fuck the Raiders. Fuck Al Davis.
Quote from: Valmy on December 06, 2012, 09:23:24 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 06, 2012, 07:03:27 AM
Ugh, the Foreskins.
Hey the Ravens have a chance to all but end their season.
Yup; between the bodies piling up due to injuries and the Ravens eliminating Ray Rice, at Washington, Denver, NYG and at Cincy? It can all be over very quickly.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 07, 2012, 10:02:05 AM
Yup; between the bodies piling up due to injuries and the Ravens eliminating Ray Rice, at Washington, Denver, NYG and at Cincy? It can all be over very quickly.
Re: the Cincy game, the Ravens will likely win or lose by choice :ph34r:
Hopefully they'll realize the wisdom in resting their key starters for Week 17.
Another week, another death.
http://us.cnn.com/2012/12/08/us/texas-cowboys-player-arrested/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Quote(CNN) -- Josh Brent, a tackle for the Dallas Cowboys, was arrested Saturday on suspicion of intoxication manslaughter after flipping his car in Irving, Texas, in an accident that left fellow Cowboys player Jerry Brown dead, police said.
Brent's vehicle was allegedly traveling at high speeds when it hit a curb and flipped, according to Irving police, who said officers on the scene "believed alcohol was a contributing factor in the crash."
Brown, 25, was a passenger and taken to a nearby hospital, where he was later pronounced dead.
Brent, 24, in his third season with the team, was booked into the Irving City jail on one count of intoxication manslaughter, police said.
The incident occurred shortly after 2 a.m. Saturday morning, one day before Dallas is scheduled to play the Cincinnati Bengals.
The whole drunk driving angle aside, I never understood why athletes drink alcohol in the middle of a season; I mean, the shit stays in you for days, and you feel like total crap during practice. Never understood that.
Come on Skins! :showoff:
Ray Rice is sure good. It is fortunate the Ravens are unlikely to give him any carries in the 4th quarter.
14-7. Your move Flacco.
Go fuck yourself and the refs, Valmy.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 09, 2012, 01:39:35 PM
Go fuck yourself and the refs, Valmy.
:nelson:
Though I am not sure what you are talking about. The refs have called this game with skill and fairness thus far -_-
just watching Redzone online because the pats are playing tomorrow. Redzone is amazing
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2012, 01:51:28 PM
Though I am not sure what you are talking about. The refs have called this game with skill and fairness thus far -_-
That was a clean shot by Ngata, and you fucking know it. But noooooo, NFL Properties needs to protect the Rookie of the Year's future commercials.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 09, 2012, 02:24:00 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2012, 01:51:28 PM
Though I am not sure what you are talking about. The refs have called this game with skill and fairness thus far -_-
That was a clean shot by Ngata, and you fucking know it. But noooooo, NFL Properties needs to protect the Rookie of the Year's future commercials.
Definitely clean. I thought they flagged him for being late, which I could at least understand.
The flag was because it was a hard hit to the chest and Griffen is too fucking stupid to do up his chinstraps properly.
i just wish that baltimore and pittsburgh could both miss the playoffs
Quote from: Count on December 09, 2012, 02:29:47 PM
i just wish that baltimore and pittsburgh could both miss the playoffs
Eat shit and die impaled on Belicheat's knob, Bradyfucker.
Quote from: Count on December 09, 2012, 02:29:47 PM
i just wish that baltimore and pittsburgh could both miss the playoffs
Yeah, but that's not going to happen. And one of those teams will drive a stake through your faggoty heart.
I said it last week, and I'll say it again: Flacco's pocket presence has turned into retardo Boller Land.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 09, 2012, 02:49:07 PM
I said it last week, and I'll say it again: Flacco's pocket presence has turned into retardo Boller Land.
Not that bad, but his internal clock needs to warn him at aronud 2 1/2 seconds. Oher will give those speed rushes up quite a bit.
There's a reason that the Ravens don't use any pass routes that take more than 4 seconds to develop.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 09, 2012, 02:24:00 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2012, 01:51:28 PM
Though I am not sure what you are talking about. The refs have called this game with skill and fairness thus far -_-
That was a clean shot by Ngata, and you fucking know it. But noooooo, NFL Properties needs to protect the Rookie of the Year's future commercials.
:lol: Oh for Godsake like both teams are not getting shitloads of flags.
Anyway the Skins only getting a FG on that drive after the fumble tells me it probably is not the Skins day. I hope I am wrong.
OK another FG. Unless Flacco plans on turning it over every single drive the Skins are going to have to stop the Ravens one of these days.
The Browns are blowing out a team! The end is nigh! :lol:
The Bengals just got fucked by a horrid defenseless receiver call
Yeah, we gotta give the Rookie of the Year another set of downs. Commissioner's orders.
Don't need no RG3
Man, this defence stinks.
Game over.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 09, 2012, 04:18:09 PM
Game over.
Yep. As soon as Flacco gave up on the first, that was it.
Quote from: sbr on December 09, 2012, 04:07:35 PM
Don't need no RG3
You see he's got green under his jersey? Should get a fine for that. Excessive Spartyness.
Quote from: Neil on December 09, 2012, 04:18:56 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 09, 2012, 04:18:09 PM
Game over.
Yep. As soon as Flacco gave up on the first, that was it.
I just can't believe how he can turn into a statue watching blitz coming. A slant in to Boldin the opposite direction, and it's a first down.
Cincy loses, SD wakes up in Pittsburgh, and they blow this one. Hello, road wild card game, if they're lucky.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 09, 2012, 04:21:36 PM
Cincy loses, SD wakes up in Pittsburgh, and they blow this one. Hello, road wild card game, if they're lucky.
The Ravens always lose to bad teams. Philly and Washington. Good god.
Well, at least they cost them RG3.
Quote from: Neil on December 09, 2012, 04:23:45 PM
Well, at least they cost them RG3.
Meh, he'll be fine by next week.
Although it'll be fun to watch Shanahan run him into the ground straight to 5 year career, tops.
51-0 in the 3rd quarter. Wow. That game is silly. Seattle is putting in all of their backups and still kicking ass. :lol:
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on December 09, 2012, 06:49:52 PM
51-0 in the 3rd quarter. Wow. That game is silly. Seattle is putting in all of their backups and still kicking ass. :lol:
I hope wisenhunt makes it through the season. It looks like the team has quit, but considering their qb play is so bad they don't have a chance in any game they play it is hard to blame them.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on December 09, 2012, 06:49:52 PM
51-0 in the 3rd quarter. Wow. That game is silly. Seattle is putting in all of their backups and still kicking ass. :lol:
It's been like watching a four-hour-long rape (no Ed, that's not supposed to give you a boner).
58-0 final. Seahawks defense put up 41 fantasy points. Daaaaamn. :o
Wow huge win. Now, at 7-6, the Skins have the Browns and the Eagles left. Now they certainly can lose to those teams, God knows they lost to the Rams and Panthers already, but playoffs are starting to look good.
Yeah RG3 just cannot take hits. He is the whole franchise. I thought against the Giants he did a pretty good job but he just has to resist the temptation to take one for the team.
This LFFL matchup is killing me. So much underperforming and mistake making on both sides. Ugh. It would be just like a team named in honor of Richard III to gain the crown (1st place in the regular season) and then promptly lose it by being knocked out. :(
I still wanna fuck that new Wendy's redhead. She intrigues me with her french fried wiles.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on December 09, 2012, 10:48:15 PM
This LFFL matchup is killing me. So much underperforming and mistake making on both sides. Ugh. It would be just like a team named in honor of Richard III to gain the crown (1st place in the regular season) and then promptly lose it by being knocked out. :(
You want under-performance, look at me. The over-performance of Sproles and Alexander is the only thing keeping me in this week, <_<
I'm especially pissed that I convinced myself to pull Scheffler for Davis at the last minute.
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 07, 2012, 09:51:03 AM
Stop being so dramatic. Nothing is lost.
How about now? :frusty:
Looks like every game may be an upset. Your opponent didn't even play a defense. :lol:
Well his opponent is a Ravens fan.
Quote from: Alcibiades on December 10, 2012, 01:50:57 AM
Looks like every game may be an upset. Your opponent didn't even play a defense. :lol:
Stupid Yahoo. <_< You swap out a starting defense with a replacement, and it sticks it on the bench.
Quote from: Alcibiades on December 10, 2012, 01:50:57 AM
Looks like every game may be an upset. Your opponent didn't even play a defense. :lol:
You beat me in the regular season too. I knew you were a jinx. :(
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 10, 2012, 07:22:21 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on December 10, 2012, 01:50:57 AM
Looks like every game may be an upset. Your opponent didn't even play a defense. :lol:
You beat me in the regular season too. I knew you were a jinx. :(
:yeah:
For anyone who cares about a gofer's role in an NFL game, here's the set-up we're using on the sideline this year. Went from 4 ancient, slow, failure-prone heat-transfer printers to a more sophisticated software-based system that only needs two laser printers but can print 2-3 times as many pictures for the coaches. The pictures all have the series#, play#, down/yards to go, and result of play captioned. We do as many as 18 pictures per play now.
We have one guy who watches the monitor and 'snaps' the pictures from the sideline and endzone video feed, and with all the pictures that are spit out, it takes three of us to sort them and put them in binders. Then we have one of the coaches' sons run them over to the coaches for us.
They built a nice awning for us over the summer, so we're shielded from the elements, but if it rains it gets tight with 4 of us plus a table squeezed in together. Gets much worse when Terence Newman ducks in there to put Flexall on his groin :rolleyes:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-bAh9apWZHjY/UMULYzyQf7I/AAAAAAAACxc/37WggFtklvQ/s809/20121209_123743.jpg)
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Pretty cool. I hate how modern ad-fill broadcast of football is oblivious to all the many many small details it takes to run a game(on the field).
Ravens fired cam Cameron. I have a chance in my money league playoffs now.
They replaced him with qb coach Jim caldwell
AT LAST.
I'm surprised you knew what I was talking about, that post was timmyesque with typos.
I saw 'Cam Cameron' and 'fired', and I declared that today is the day of Jubilee.
That said, with linebackers dropping like flies and Yanda (aka the only really good player on the Oline) probably going to miss a few weeks, things are starting to get ugly for the Ravens, especially with three games against respectable opponents left.
I am so going to enjoy watching this live.
Hernandez is so good. Amazing he's only the 2nd best TE on the team.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 10, 2012, 08:38:27 PM
I am so going to enjoy watching this live.
I hope you get mauled by a puma.
Quote from: Neil on December 10, 2012, 08:57:32 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 10, 2012, 08:38:27 PM
I am so going to enjoy watching this live.
I hope you get mauled by a puma.
There may be Tigers in the mountains of North Korea, but that's far from here. -_-
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 10, 2012, 09:01:13 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 10, 2012, 08:57:32 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 10, 2012, 08:38:27 PM
I am so going to enjoy watching this live.
I hope you get mauled by a puma.
There may be Tigers in the mountains of North Korea, but that's far from here. -_-
Maybe there's one in a zoo that can escape and kill you.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 10, 2012, 09:01:13 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 10, 2012, 08:57:32 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 10, 2012, 08:38:27 PM
I am so going to enjoy watching this live.
I hope you get mauled by a puma.
There may be Tigers in the mountains of North Korea, but that's far from here. -_-
Surely they'd have all either been eaten by the NK's south of the border, or ground into viagra-powder by the Chicoms north of the border. Rather ironic their best hope would be in Russia.
Hm. Well I got home and turned the TV on in time to see the Schaubster heave a pick in the end zone. Is it still raining in that dump? I can't tell.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 10, 2012, 09:06:45 PM
Hm. Well I got home and turned the TV on in time to see the Schaubster heave a pick in the end zone. Is it still raining in that dump? I can't tell.
Lloyd stepping up now that Edelman is out!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 10, 2012, 09:13:40 PM
Lloyd stepping up now that Edelman is out!
Why did you quote me?
It's too bad the Texans couldn't borrow Pollard for tonight.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 10, 2012, 09:15:35 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 10, 2012, 09:13:40 PM
Lloyd stepping up now that Edelman is out!
Why did you quote me?
Because he's retarded.
Schaub just isn't reading what's happening on the field very well.
Quote from: Neil on December 10, 2012, 09:18:43 PM
Schaub just isn't reading what's happening on the field very well.
Doesn't look like it at all. Was the O playing this retarded in the first half of the first Q too, or did they just lose their minds when I got home?
Oh wow. That was a 30 yard penalty on a ball 15 feet over the dude's head on 3rd and 10. Might as well turn this one off if they get handed a first down even when the D finally gets their shit together.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 10, 2012, 09:20:26 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 10, 2012, 09:18:43 PM
Schaub just isn't reading what's happening on the field very well.
Doesn't look like it at all. Was the O playing this retarded in the first half of the first Q too, or did they just lose their minds when I got home?
They've been pretty bad all night, and the defence isn't much better.
Brady! :showoff:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 10, 2012, 09:22:37 PM
Oh wow. That was a 30 yard penalty on a ball 15 feet over the dude's head on 3rd and 10. Might as well turn this one off if they get handed a first down even when the D finally gets their shit together.
The refs won't let the Patriots lose. Too much on the line.
Quote from: Neil on December 10, 2012, 09:26:51 PM
The refs won't let the Patriots lose. Too much on the line.
Ah well, 11-2 then. Hopefully someone takes out Brady or Welker at some point to make up for it.
Tim, have you ever offered up an original thought on an NFL thread? Every single one of your posts is nothing but cheerleading FFS.
Blah, they needed points on the last drive, but Walter couldn't hold on and 51 is way out of dude's range, and then AJ couldn't make the catch just now. Could have been right back in it even with just 10 out of those two, not to mention that terrible endzone pick by Schaub. Missed opportunities.
Talib is down.
E: Three straight three and outs by the D, and the O continues to just be stupid. :rolleyes: I need to get to bed. Damn flu. They'll probably suddenly stop playing like a pop warner team right after I turn this off.
New ravens OC hasn't called plays since he was at wake forest in 2000.
And never has in the NFL.
He just needs to watch film of Cam Cameron calling plays, and then do the opposite.
Quote from: Neil on December 10, 2012, 12:29:41 PM
That said, with linebackers dropping like flies and Yanda (aka the only really good player on the Oline) probably going to miss a few weeks, things are starting to get ugly for the Ravens, especially with three games against respectable opponents left.
I think dumping Cameron will make a marked impact on the team psyche; it's no secret that playcalling was an issue with Ray Rice and certain "personalities" on defense. Flacco's had his differences with Cameron, and gets along much better with Caldwell, just as he did with Jim Zorn before Cameron pushed him out the door.
Caldwell's said the offensive plan is the offensive plan, but I think this move will do wonders for locker room attitudes. The team's pysche needs the jumpstart.
I for one am glad the guy's gone.
This game sucks ass.
And that's how you know that the Texans won't win the Superbowl this year: They don't show up for big games.
The league will do their best to try and get Brady another ring. That's the only way they can legitimize all the rings they got through cheating.
And with that, I pull off the Monday Night comeback by 4 points. :showoff:
Hey Neil, check this out from Mike Preston:
QuoteRavens head coach John Harbaugh put on his big boy pants Monday and fired offensive coordinator Cam Cameron.
It might have been a year or two too late, but the Ravens replaced the often criticized Cameron with quarterbacks coach Jim Caldwell, who spent the three previous seasons as the head coach of the Indianapolis Colts.
With this move, the Ravens are hoping to breathe some life into an offense which had no identity for the past five seasons, but it also puts more pressure on Harbaugh as well as quarterback Joe Flacco.
For Flacco, there can be no more excuses. We don't want to hear about the lack of quality receivers or his poor offensive line. We don't want to hear about his strained relationship with Cameron because now he is working directly with one of the best in the NFL.
As for Harbaugh, he is the next man up.
When a head coach fires a coordinator, he eliminates a buffer or a sponge to soak up the criticism. In a sense, Cameron is the scapegoat for a player personnel department that put together a poor offensive line and drafted a quarterback who has no pocket awareness, and lacks consistency.
There is no more Cameron to beat around now. All fingers are pointed directly at Harbaugh.
"There is a very human side to this. Cam is my friend, he taught me a lot about coaching, and he is an outstanding coach," Harbaugh said. "Personally, this is the hardest thing I've ever had to do as a coach. Cam has been a significant contributor to all of our successes over the past four, almost five, seasons. Deservedly, he is highly-regarded, and we owe thanks to him for what he did for the Ravens"
It's what he didn't do that got Cameron fired. He didn't develop an offense with an identity or a good enough quarterback. Except for Flacco's rookie year when the Ravens became a run-oriented offense, the Ravens failed every year afterwards in trying to become a passing team.
A lot of it was Cameron's fault. The running game was basic composed of mostly stretch plays. The passing game wasn't sophisticated. There weren't a lot of rubs, crossing patterns, motion or a variety of sets. The Ravens seldom attacked the middle of the field and Cameron didn't have a feel for games. He ran when he should have passed and passed when he should have run.
Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti wasn't pleased with Cameron after the 2010 season and put pressure on him in 2011. Cameron survived even though the Ravens came up a dropped pass and field goal short of a Super Bowl appearance.
The Ravens got off to a strong start this season and Flacco seemed in control of the no-huddle offense, but he started faltering on the road. As he continued to struggle, the Ravens appeared to water down the offense and they hit a major snag a week ago against Pittsburgh.
Ahead by a touchdown going into the fourth quarter, star running back Ray Rice never touched the ball in the period even through his last two runs in the third quarter tallied 34 yards and 10 yards. The Ravens lost, 23-20, as Pittsburgh mounted a 12-play, 61-yard drive in the last 6 minutes.
That might have been the unforgivable football sin. And then came Sunday.
According to two Ravens sources, both Harbaugh and Bisciotti were not pleased with the play selection at the end of the half and end of the game. Harbaugh was also not happy with the pass protection in the second half and wanted Flacco to be protected more.
Harbaugh and Cameron, according to the sources, were involved in a heated exchange on the sidelines that carried over into the locker room after the game. After Harbaugh conferred with Bisciotti and several others in the organization, according to the sources, a decision was made to release Cameron.
Bisciotti did not return phone calls Monday. Harbaugh adamantly denied Monday any confrontations on the sideline ever took place.
"It's not about fair or unfair, right or wrong," Harbaugh said. "My responsibility is to the whole team and what's best for them right now. We need a change. Our plan and our goals are to win games, win our division and get to the playoffs."
"We have a lot of work to do, and we have the coaches and players in place to achieve our goals this season," he said. "We are working on that right now. I'm excited about where we are and where we are going."
Cameron didn't get along well with Flacco, but it appeared the two had worked out most of their differences. But as the Ravens took the field in overtime Sunday, Flacco looked confused. And when he did his famed 360 move while trying to escape pressure, he looked as lost as he did doing his rookie season.
The Caldwell and Flacco relationship will be interesting. In a recent story in The Baltimore Sun, Flacco admitted he was a little frustrated about the Ravens abandoning the no-huddle and Flacco has always suggested the Ravens throw more than run. The no-huddle was Flacco's toy.
It was easy to see the influence of Caldwell right away in Flacco from the new gyrations and antics under center to some new buzz words used at the line of scrimmage. But in Indianapolis, Caldwell worked with Peyton Manning, one of the best quarterbacks ever in the history of the league.
Flacco is no Peyton Manning. He's not even younger brother Eli.
But if Flacco can't reach the next level with Caldwell, it will probably mean the end of him in Baltimore.
As for Harbaugh, he is under fire now. The move to Caldwell looks like one of desperation. The Ravens have a number of stars on the roster and this team could unravel if it keeps going south.
The Ravens made a smart move by bringing Caldwell here during the off season, and Harbaugh spent a lot of time with him having Caldwell evaluate the offense and Flacco.
Overall, it's a good move. The players and other assistant coaches were unhappy with Cameron because they thought he didn't listen to them. Also, both Flacco and the offense had hit the ceiling under Cameron.
Apparently, this decision couldn't have waited because the disagreements were too much Sunday during and after the game.
Harbaugh didn't have a lot of choices. He had to put on his big pants quickly.
Nice piece. In a way, I do feel kinda bad for Cam. Bringing him back this year despite the fact that everyone knew that he wasn't the guy put him in a terrible position and made it difficult for him to have much sway. But he had years to develop a team with some identity, and he was the worst play-caller ever, especially when he was in positions where he didn't dare do something tricky. That's the only thing I liked about Cam, was his willingness to pull out the occasional gadget play. Even that I think was influenced by Harbaugh.
But no matter what, Harbaugh will be back next season. Anybody who thinks that he should be fired needs to not be taken seriously as a football fan.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on December 10, 2012, 11:40:04 PM
And with that, I pull off the Monday Night comeback by 4 points. :showoff:
It's probably for the best anyway. With Dez Bryant done for the year I wasnt going to beat anyone else. Might as well let someone who can beat CdM advance. :P
Quote from: sbr on December 11, 2012, 03:25:36 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on December 10, 2012, 11:40:04 PM
And with that, I pull off the Monday Night comeback by 4 points. :showoff:
It's probably for the best anyway. With Dez Bryant done for the year I wasnt going to beat anyone else. Might as well let someone who can beat CdM advance. :P
Yeah that i even made playoffs after losing Gronk, Santonio Holmes and McGhee was a miracle, wasn't expecting much else.
Touching :cry:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jerry-brown-mother-wants-josh-brent-ride-her-160248144--nfl.html
Unfortunate url breadown ^^^
QuoteJosh Brent attends Jerry Brown's funeral with Brown's family
The family and friends of former Dallas Cowboys linebacker Jerry Brown had stayed out of the public eye for the most part since the Saturday morning car accident that took Brown's life and put the driver, Cowboys defensive lineman Josh Brent, in jail on intoxication manslaughter charges. That changed Monday, and the results were captivating. On Tuesday, Brent attended Brown's funeral at Dallas' Oak Cliff Bible Fellowship, where team chaplain Tony Evans serves as pastor. He did so with Brown's family because Brown's family is capable of stunning gestures of love and forgiveness.
Released on $500,000 bond on Sunday, Brent visited the team facility on Monday, was checked out by trainers, and spoke to head coach Jason Garrett, who said that Brent was "very distraught." The entire Cowboys organization also attended the service.
"What we want to do as an organization, as players, as coaches and this entire organization is let him know he should feel supported everywhere he turns," Garrett said of Brent on Monday. "That's what we want to express to him. It's a very challenging situation for him. He and Jerry are best friends. They have known each other since college. They were very close in college, very close since they've been here together, and it's a really, really difficult situation for him. We want to make him feel that there are people around him who can help him get through this thing day by day."
Stacey Jackson, Brown's mother, accelerated that generosity of spirit to an entirely new level. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones sent his own plane so that Brown's family could arrive in Dallas for the service, and Jackson asked that Brent meet the family at the airport, ride with her to the service, and sit with the family while Brown was remembered.
"I was upset, but I realized that our youth today are young and stupid, and we were all once that age, and we've all done things we're not proud of," Jackson said on Monday's "Piers Morgan Tonight" show on CNN. "I realized that everyone thinks they're invincible, and everyone thinks, 'it's not going to happen to me.' I know Josh Brent, and he's been part of our family since Jerry went to the University of Illinois -- all I can do is to pray for him and his family. I know [Brent] is hurting just as much as we are, because [he] and Jerry were like brothers."
According to Jerry Jones, Jackson "wanted to be right with Josh and to express in every way she could how much they loved him and thought of him, and didn't want to have him grieve for his loss as a friend without being included in their family."
"It's so tragic when you think about that they were best friends," Jones said on a local radio station, when recalling Brent's feelings about Brown joining the Cowboys. "Josh was elated when Jerry came on the team because they were such good friends and teammates in college. Josh, of course, was on the regular team and consequently had a place to live. Jerry was on the practice squad and there's quite a difference in the economics that they make, so Jerry was living with Josh on Josh's generosity. Those guys were on the way to their house when this accident happened. It's so, so tragic for everybody involved."
Nobody is excusing what Brent did, and we don't know all the details just yet. What is remarkable about the story so far is how willing those closest to Jerry Brown are to forgive, and to open their hearts to Josh Brent when many others would not. From a human perspective, and leaving everything else out of the picture for the moment, it's fairly amazing.
I'm pretty sure I'm not that forgiving. It's tough to tell from here though.
My playoff seeding projections
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Made here
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I'm sure you've spilled your seed all over it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 12, 2012, 08:38:24 AM
I'm sure you've spilled your seed all over it.
Not really, Baltimore is the most likely team we'd face in that situation, and they're the only team in that group that beat us this year.
I don't see your name on the back of a jersey of a black man that would hate you if he knew you.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 12, 2012, 07:28:28 AM
My playoff seeding projections
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Made here
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/machine#
I shall play your little game:
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Pats vs Chargers! :lol: Massacre.
Pats vs. Broncos in the next round would be nice though.
Would like to watch Giants vs Bears too.
Why San Diego over Pitts, Baron? what's your tie breaker?
My playoff prediction is that the Pats plane is hijacked by terrorists and crashed into a lake.
America wins.
Oddsmakers in Vegas just dropped the Bengals odds for making the playoffs to nil, thanks to the TimmyTaint :mellow:
But seriously, I don't see the Bengals earning themselves a spot in the playoffs-- whenever they're competing for a wild card spot they do just well enough to stay in contention but never control their own fate. The Steelers will have to falter much like the Jets did down the stretch last year.
Also I see Baltimore regrouping after this week's shakeup because that's what they do. And for all their current momentum, the Broncos will lose their first playoff game-- you heard it here first.
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 12, 2012, 09:51:48 AM
Why San Diego over Pitts, Baron? what's your tie breaker?
Well, if they finish the season with the same record, then the Chargers have a heads-up win.
Still, what are the odds of San Diego going 3-0 in the last three games along with neither the Bengals or Steelers doing any better than 1-2?
Quote from: derspiess on December 12, 2012, 10:26:46 AM
Oddsmakers in Vegas just dropped the Bengals odds for making the playoffs to nil, thanks to the TimmyTaint :mellow:
But seriously, I don't see the Bengals earning themselves a spot in the playoffs-- whenever they're competing for a wild card spot they do just well enough to stay in contention but never control their own fate. The Steelers will have to falter much like the Jets did down the stretch last year.
Also I see Baltimore regrouping after this week's shakeup because that's what they do. And for all their current momentum, the Broncos will lose their first playoff game-- you heard it here first.
The Steelers could definitely lose two of their last three. The Cowboys and two division games are no joke for the Steelers.
If the Broncos play the Colts in the Wild Card, they'll win.
Quote from: derspiess on December 12, 2012, 12:10:36 PM
Still, what are the odds of San Diego going 3-0 in the last three games along with neither the Bengals or Steelers doing any better than 1-2?
Especially since the Bengals and Steelers play each other, with the winner having a pretty good chance to go to the playoffs.
Quote from: Neil on December 12, 2012, 12:10:41 PM
The Steelers could definitely lose two of their last three. The Cowboys and two division games are no joke for the Steelers.
On paper, for sure. But remember as a more-or-less life-long Bengals fan I know the Steelers won't lose when the Bengals desperately need them to.
QuoteIf the Broncos play the Colts in the Wild Card, they'll win.
Pure gut feeling on my part, but I can totally see the Manning-led Broncos peaking in Week 16 and then fizzling out a couple weeks later. Peyton just seems to do that. Plus I think the Broncos have been overachieving a slight bit.
Broncos-Colts would be a hell of a game, anyway.
Maybe but Peyton can't let the Colts come into his new home and let them win after they so publicaly [took away] their trust in them.