Languish.org

General Category => Off the Record => Topic started by: Martinus on November 20, 2012, 07:29:56 AM

Title: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: Martinus on November 20, 2012, 07:29:56 AM
QuotePolish authorities say they have thwarted terror attack on top leaders
By Vanessa Gera, The Associated Press November 20, 2012 4:00 AM

Read more: http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Polish+authorities+arrest+planning+attack+Parliament/7574625/story.html#ixzz2ClVuUb1c
WARSAW, Poland - Polish authorities have arrested a man who was planning to detonate a four-ton car bomb in front of the Parliament building in Warsaw while the president, prime minister, government ministers and lawmakers were inside.

Prosecutors said Tuesday that they arrested the suspect in Krakow on Nov. 9. They say he is a 45-year-old Polish researcher employed at the University of Agriculture in Krakow who had access to chemistry laboratories. He was in illegal possession of explosive materials, munitions and guns.

They say the suspect, an expert on explosives, was motivated by nationalistic, xenophobic and anti-Semitic ideas, but that he does not formally belong to any political group. He is refusing to be submitted to psychiatric testing, they added.

The suspect, who was not identified by name, was building bombs himself and also had detonators, said prosecutor Mariusz Krason.

"He believed that the current social and political situation in our country is moving in the wrong direction" and that those in positions of power are "foreign," Krason said. "In his opinion they are not true Poles."

Krason did not explain further, but one strain of anti-Semitic thinking holds that Jews secretly control power in Poland. In truth, Poland's Jewish community is tiny — several thousand in a country of 38 million — and very few Jews hold political positions in the country.

The rector at the suspect's university, Wlodzimierz Sady, said the man was a chemist who taught courses and did his own research. He did not raise any suspicion until his arrest, Sady told The Associated Press.

"This is serious, we are all in shock," Sady said.

Authorities said the man intended to put four tons of explosives in a car and detonate them outside the Parliament building in the heart of the capital while President Bronislaw Komorowski, Prime Minister Donald Tusk and Cabinet ministers were inside, along with the members of the 460-seat lower chamber.

"The threat of an attack was real," said Artur Wrona, a prosecutor who was among several officials who gave the details of the thwarted terror attack at a news conference in Warsaw.

Krason said the man has confessed in part to the suspicions against him, including planning an assassination of the state leaders. If he is convicted he could face up to five years in prison.

Two others working with him were also arrested for the illegal possession of weapons and two more have been questioned.

The investigation and arrests are being led by the Internal Security Agency. The group published film footage of test explosions in a rural area made by the suspect and found among his possessions.

Both the president and the prime minister were informed of the assassination plan and the investigation before the news was released to the public, said Joanna Trzaska-Wieczorek, a spokeswoman for the president.

Read more: http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Polish+authorities+arrest+planning+attack+Parliament/7574625/story.html#ixzz2ClVlsKWZ

I for one wouldn't mind some crackdown on the rightwingers.  :showoff:
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: Martinus on November 20, 2012, 07:42:39 AM
Apparently, the guy was a supporter of the political party/leader supported also by szmik.  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: derspiess on November 20, 2012, 10:54:38 AM
I swear I thought the thread title was the first line of a Polack joke.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: CountDeMoney on November 20, 2012, 10:59:10 AM
Quote from: derspiess on November 20, 2012, 10:54:38 AM
I swear I thought the thread title was the first line of a Polack joke.

The leading Polish suicide bomber has 24 successful attacks.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: derspiess on November 20, 2012, 11:26:39 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 20, 2012, 10:59:10 AM
Quote from: derspiess on November 20, 2012, 10:54:38 AM
I swear I thought the thread title was the first line of a Polack joke.

The leading Polish suicide bomber has 24 successful attacks.

There we go :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: CountDeMoney on November 20, 2012, 11:30:10 AM
How many gay Polish lawyers does it take to make a suicide bomber vest?

Two, one for the vest while the other picks out the matching tie. *^)#( !& #BY#HFHOB!#
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on November 20, 2012, 12:01:09 PM
".........put four tons of explosives in a car..........."  :hmm:

Big car.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: Razgovory on November 20, 2012, 12:55:10 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 20, 2012, 07:42:39 AM
Apparently, the guy was a supporter of the political party/leader supported also by szmik.  :ph34r:

Szmik didn't strike me as that bright.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: Jacob on November 20, 2012, 12:58:42 PM
Facing up to FIVE years in prison?
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: derspiess on November 20, 2012, 01:04:53 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 20, 2012, 12:55:10 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 20, 2012, 07:42:39 AM
Apparently, the guy was a supporter of the political party/leader supported also by szmik.  :ph34r:

Szmik didn't strike me as that bright.

How does that necessarily impugn szmik's political views?  By the same token I could discredit yours by finding some nutjob who happens to be a Democrat who voted for Obama.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: Maximus on November 20, 2012, 01:07:17 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 20, 2012, 01:04:53 PM
By the same token I could discredit yours by finding some nutjob who happens to be a Democrat who voted for Obama.
There are some who call him Razgovory
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: DGuller on November 20, 2012, 01:09:13 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 20, 2012, 12:58:42 PM
Facing up to FIVE years in prison?
Maybe in Poland you get a year per ton of explosives.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: Ed Anger on November 20, 2012, 01:10:58 PM
The five years is five years locked in Mart's tiny flat.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: CountDeMoney on November 20, 2012, 01:11:29 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 20, 2012, 01:10:58 PM
The five years is five years locked in Mart's tiny flat.

No socks with the prison slippers, either.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: Gups on November 20, 2012, 01:31:09 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 20, 2012, 01:10:58 PM
The five years is five years locked in Mart's tiny flat.

The only prison where nobody does anal.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: Ed Anger on November 20, 2012, 01:32:20 PM
:XD:
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: Iormlund on November 20, 2012, 01:36:22 PM
:lmfao:
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: Martinus on November 20, 2012, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 20, 2012, 12:58:42 PM
Facing up to FIVE years in prison?

Well, he didn't do anything beyond preparation.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: Martinus on November 20, 2012, 03:29:48 PM
Quote from: Gups on November 20, 2012, 01:31:09 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 20, 2012, 01:10:58 PM
The five years is five years locked in Mart's tiny flat.

The only prison where nobody does anal.
:lol:
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: Razgovory on November 20, 2012, 08:49:32 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 20, 2012, 01:04:53 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 20, 2012, 12:55:10 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 20, 2012, 07:42:39 AM
Apparently, the guy was a supporter of the political party/leader supported also by szmik.  :ph34r:

Szmik didn't strike me as that bright.

How does that necessarily impugn szmik's political views?  By the same token I could discredit yours by finding some nutjob who happens to be a Democrat who voted for Obama.

Yeah, and Hamas is okay if you forget about the whole terrorism thing. 
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: garbon on November 20, 2012, 10:55:58 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 20, 2012, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 20, 2012, 12:58:42 PM
Facing up to FIVE years in prison?

Well, he didn't do anything beyond preparation.

And gathered the materials. Meanwhile we have those men in California facing up to 15 and it sounds like they'd got as far as planning to go to a terrorist training camp.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: garbon on November 20, 2012, 10:57:05 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 20, 2012, 08:49:32 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 20, 2012, 01:04:53 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 20, 2012, 12:55:10 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 20, 2012, 07:42:39 AM
Apparently, the guy was a supporter of the political party/leader supported also by szmik.  :ph34r:

Szmik didn't strike me as that bright.

How does that necessarily impugn szmik's political views?  By the same token I could discredit yours by finding some nutjob who happens to be a Democrat who voted for Obama.

Yeah, and Hamas is okay if you forget about the whole terrorism thing. 

Even you have to recognize you just made a Marti like analogy.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: Razgovory on November 20, 2012, 11:03:42 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 20, 2012, 10:57:05 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 20, 2012, 08:49:32 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 20, 2012, 01:04:53 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 20, 2012, 12:55:10 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 20, 2012, 07:42:39 AM
Apparently, the guy was a supporter of the political party/leader supported also by szmik.  :ph34r:

Szmik didn't strike me as that bright.

How does that necessarily impugn szmik's political views?  By the same token I could discredit yours by finding some nutjob who happens to be a Democrat who voted for Obama.

Yeah, and Hamas is okay if you forget about the whole terrorism thing. 

Even you have to recognize you just made a Marti like analogy.

Did I?  It's been common currency in the US that the acts of terrorism legitimatize your positions.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: garbon on November 20, 2012, 11:07:16 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 20, 2012, 11:03:42 PM
Did I?  It's been common currency in the US that the acts of terrorism legitimatize your positions.

Yes, you did. To be comparable to Hamas, you'd need to show some sort of collusion of the party that szmik reportedly supports and various terrorist actors. Otherwise, you're saying that any political party can be compared to Hamas as long as there is one individual who claims membership to the party and plots a terrorist act.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: Razgovory on November 21, 2012, 01:10:33 AM
You know, you are becoming very tiresome.  I don't know even know what party Szimik is part of.  Could be the Nazi party for all I know.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: garbon on November 21, 2012, 08:40:50 AM
Sure, I'll try and stay away from commenting on posts where you make ridiculous statements if you try cutting down the volume of them. :)
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: dps on November 21, 2012, 10:40:14 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 20, 2012, 11:07:16 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 20, 2012, 11:03:42 PM
Did I?  It's been common currency in the US that the acts of terrorism legitimatize your positions.

Yes, you did. To be comparable to Hamas, you'd need to show some sort of collusion of the party that szmik reportedly supports and various terrorist actors. Otherwise, you're saying that any political party can be compared to Hamas as long as there is one individual who claims membership to the party and plots a terrorist act.

Yeah, but it's pretty common to do what Raz is doing, and equate anyone who supports a particular party, ideology, belief, etc., with the acts of the most extreme.  Not saying that it's right, but it's certainly not unusual.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: garbon on November 21, 2012, 10:51:00 AM
It is rather odd to continue to do so, once derspeiss had called him out for that mistake.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: Martinus on November 21, 2012, 10:53:23 AM
Still, in a situation in which person A supports an organization which engages in terrorist acts, while person B and person C both support an organization, and person C engages in terrorist acts, saying that person A is just like person B is pretty retarded.

It's like saying that criminal actions of anyone who ever voted for a specific party taint every single person who ever voted for the same party.

Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: Martinus on November 21, 2012, 10:55:34 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 21, 2012, 10:51:00 AM
It is rather odd to continue to do so, once derspeiss had called him out for that mistake.

It's even worse when you consider that the arrested guy here wasn't even a member of the party szmik supports, but just supported it.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: merithyn on November 21, 2012, 11:10:24 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 21, 2012, 10:55:34 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 21, 2012, 10:51:00 AM
It is rather odd to continue to do so, once derspeiss had called him out for that mistake.

It's even worse when you consider that the arrested guy here wasn't even a member of the party szmik supports, but just supported it.

That might be an American thing. Here, in order to be a member of a political party, one just has to support it.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: Martinus on November 21, 2012, 11:24:51 AM
Quote from: merithyn on November 21, 2012, 11:10:24 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 21, 2012, 10:55:34 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 21, 2012, 10:51:00 AM
It is rather odd to continue to do so, once derspeiss had called him out for that mistake.

It's even worse when you consider that the arrested guy here wasn't even a member of the party szmik supports, but just supported it.

That might be an American thing. Here, in order to be a member of a political party, one just has to support it.
Ah ok. Here membership is by application, you pay dues etc. 99% of people do not belong to any party.

It could also be related to a multi-party system - hardly anyone votes for the same party every time.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: Razgovory on November 21, 2012, 11:35:39 AM
Quote from: dps on November 21, 2012, 10:40:14 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 20, 2012, 11:07:16 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 20, 2012, 11:03:42 PM
Did I?  It's been common currency in the US that the acts of terrorism legitimatize your positions.

Yes, you did. To be comparable to Hamas, you'd need to show some sort of collusion of the party that szmik reportedly supports and various terrorist actors. Otherwise, you're saying that any political party can be compared to Hamas as long as there is one individual who claims membership to the party and plots a terrorist act.

Yeah, but it's pretty common to do what Raz is doing, and equate anyone who supports a particular party, ideology, belief, etc., with the acts of the most extreme.  Not saying that it's right, but it's certainly not unusual.

Islamists aren't so popular in the US after the 9/11 thingy.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: dps on November 21, 2012, 11:42:15 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 21, 2012, 11:24:51 AM
Quote from: merithyn on November 21, 2012, 11:10:24 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 21, 2012, 10:55:34 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 21, 2012, 10:51:00 AM
It is rather odd to continue to do so, once derspeiss had called him out for that mistake.

It's even worse when you consider that the arrested guy here wasn't even a member of the party szmik supports, but just supported it.

That might be an American thing. Here, in order to be a member of a political party, one just has to support it.
Ah ok. Here membership is by application, you pay dues etc. 99% of people do not belong to any party.

It could also be related to a multi-party system - hardly anyone votes for the same party every time.

Well, Meri oversimplified a bit.  (Keep in mind that almost any general statement related to American politics or laws is an oversimplification, given our multiple legal jurisdictions.)  You can become a dues-paying member of the Democratic or Republican party, but almost no one does.  In most states, when you register to vote, you can register as a Democrat, a Republican, or an independent (and some states offer other choices, such as Libertarian or Green), and registering is considered becoming a member of the party and entitles you to vote in its primary elections.  In other states, though, you don't register as a member of a particular party, just as a voter residing in a particular precinct, and during the primaries, you get to pick which party's primary to vote in.  In some states in which you do register as a member of a particular party, if you register as an independent voter instead, you don't get to vote in primaries at all;  in other states, voters registered as independents can chose to vote in a particular party's primary;  and in some states, even voters registered as members of a paticular party can vote in the primary of a different party instead if you want (AFAIK, no state allows you to vote in the primaries of 2 or more parties in the same election, but there might be exceptions I'm unaware of).

Bottom line, Meri is basically right--if you consider yourself a member of a particular party,, you're a member of the party.  Though a lot of people who claim to be independents are effectively members of one party or another--you'll find a lot of so-called independents have voted for a straight-party ticket every election for the past 20 years, except for the one year when their brother ran for dogcatcher on the other party's ticket, and they voted for their brother.  (And yeah, in a great many communities, ever the local dogcatcher, or "animal control officer", is an elected position.  Has anybody every mentioned that Americans like to vote for a lot of really minor offices?)
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: merithyn on November 21, 2012, 11:48:58 AM
Quote from: dps on November 21, 2012, 11:42:15 AM
Well, Meri oversimplified a bit.  (Keep in mind that almost any general statement related to American politics or laws is an oversimplification, given our multiple legal jurisdictions.)  You can become a dues-paying member of the Democratic or Republican party, but almost no one does.  In most states, when you register to vote, you can register as a Democrat, a Republican, or an independent (and some states offer other choices, such as Libertarian or Green), and registering is considered becoming a member of the party and entitles you to vote in its primary elections.  In other states, though, you don't register as a member of a particular party, just as a voter residing in a particular precinct, and during the primaries, you get to pick which party's primary to vote in.  In some states in which you do register as a member of a particular party, if you register as an independent voter instead, you don't get to vote in primaries at all;  in other states, voters registered as independents can chose to vote in a particular party's primary;  and in some states, even voters registered as members of a paticular party can vote in the primary of a different party instead if you want (AFAIK, no state allows you to vote in the primaries of 2 or more parties in the same election, but there might be exceptions I'm unaware of).

Bottom line, Meri is basically right--if you consider yourself a member of a particular party,, you're a member of the party.  Though a lot of people who claim to be independents are effectively members of one party or another--you'll find a lot of so-called independents have voted for a straight-party ticket every election for the past 20 years, except for the one year when their brother ran for dogcatcher on the other party's ticket, and they voted for their brother.  (And yeah, in a great many communities, ever the local dogcatcher, or "animal control officer", is an elected position.  Has anybody every mentioned that Americans like to vote for a lot of really minor offices?)

:glare:

The point was that in the US, one can be a member of a party by saying, "Hey! I support the Ignorant Ass Party!" I knew that that was not the case in most Euro nations, and in Poland in particular. :contract:
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: garbon on November 21, 2012, 12:00:42 PM
Well I don't know why you care that he looked like a windbag with all that text to say that you are basically right.
Title: Re: Polish authorities arrest a terror suspect
Post by: Josephus on November 21, 2012, 12:48:30 PM
Oh-oh...why was the Polish terrorist lying beneath a car with his lips to the tailpipe?


He was trying to blow it up :lol: