Chatting with another of my e-military acquaintances* and he said he'd recently been on a nearby base had a conversation with one of the NCO's there, who said to him, there's no way you'd want to be in the Army nowadays as there's no discipline; the example given being a private been able to talk back to an officer and 'negotiate' over orders.
So how far is this a true reflection of changing military culture and does any of these modern practices infect the US military.
*this guy, served in the late 60s and 1970s and did the usual BOAR/ Northern Ireland tours at the time.
They let Siege in.
Wait, the UK still has a military?
Maybe the officer is fucking the private. :secret:
Bring back Thatcher. :(
Quote from: Caliga on September 05, 2012, 07:15:45 AM
Bring back Thatcher. :(
You do recall, her government 'savagely' cut the Royal Navy, in part precipitating the Argentine invasion of the Falklands ?
Quote from: mongers on September 05, 2012, 08:04:38 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 05, 2012, 07:15:45 AM
Bring back Thatcher. :(
You do recall, her government 'savagely' cut the Royal Navy, in part precipitating the Argentine invasion of the Falklands ?
Yeah, she had already sold one of the carriers and was looking for buyers for the other two at the time. Argentina acted too quickly.
Quote from: Phillip V on September 05, 2012, 01:20:02 AM
Maybe the officer is fucking the private. :secret:
Maybe the Private is getting ready to fire the Officer, Hans style.
Quote from: Razgovory on September 05, 2012, 08:19:18 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on September 05, 2012, 01:20:02 AM
Maybe the officer is fucking the private. :secret:
Maybe the Private is getting ready to fire the Officer, Hans style.
:D
IMHO, modern day military is not as diciplined as before, it has gone soft. It now has all these politically correct bullshit rules, no one can be offended in any way. These kids confuse priviledges with rights, and have terrible work ethics and they think they are entitled things without earning them. Yes, I am an old tired bitter old schooler and will retire when I can.
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 05, 2012, 08:56:16 AM
IMHO, modern day military is not as diciplined as before, it has gone soft. It now has all these politically correct bullshit rules, no one can be offended in any way. These kids confuse priviledges with rights, and have terrible work ethics and they think they are entitled things without earning them. Yes, I am an old tired bitter old schooler and will retire when I can.
:(
Lusti, thanks for that.
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 05, 2012, 08:56:16 AM
IMHO, modern day military is not as diciplined as before, it has gone soft. It now has all these politically correct bullshit rules, no one can be offended in any way. These kids confuse priviledges with rights, and have terrible work ethics and they think they are entitled things without earning them. Yes, I am an old tired bitter old schooler and will retire when I can.
Millennials are to blame for most of modern society's ills. Them and the Baby Boomers.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 05, 2012, 10:41:23 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 05, 2012, 08:56:16 AM
IMHO, modern day military is not as diciplined as before, it has gone soft. It now has all these politically correct bullshit rules, no one can be offended in any way. These kids confuse priviledges with rights, and have terrible work ethics and they think they are entitled things without earning them. Yes, I am an old tired bitter old schooler and will retire when I can.
Millennials are to blame for most of modern society's ills. Them and the Baby Boomers.
Yes, it's only Generation X that can save us. :huh:
Quote from: Barrister on September 05, 2012, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 05, 2012, 10:41:23 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 05, 2012, 08:56:16 AM
IMHO, modern day military is not as diciplined as before, it has gone soft. It now has all these politically correct bullshit rules, no one can be offended in any way. These kids confuse priviledges with rights, and have terrible work ethics and they think they are entitled things without earning them. Yes, I am an old tired bitter old schooler and will retire when I can.
Millennials are to blame for most of modern society's ills. Them and the Baby Boomers.
Yes, it's only Generation X that can save us. :huh:
According to wiki - I'm a Millennial. :(
Quote from: garbon on September 05, 2012, 11:37:13 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 05, 2012, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 05, 2012, 10:41:23 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 05, 2012, 08:56:16 AM
IMHO, modern day military is not as diciplined as before, it has gone soft. It now has all these politically correct bullshit rules, no one can be offended in any way. These kids confuse priviledges with rights, and have terrible work ethics and they think they are entitled things without earning them. Yes, I am an old tired bitter old schooler and will retire when I can.
Millennials are to blame for most of modern society's ills. Them and the Baby Boomers.
Yes, it's only Generation X that can save us. :huh:
According to wiki - I'm a Millennial. :(
:nelson:
Quote from: Barrister on September 05, 2012, 11:52:10 AM
Quote from: garbon on September 05, 2012, 11:37:13 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 05, 2012, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 05, 2012, 10:41:23 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 05, 2012, 08:56:16 AM
IMHO, modern day military is not as diciplined as before, it has gone soft. It now has all these politically correct bullshit rules, no one can be offended in any way. These kids confuse priviledges with rights, and have terrible work ethics and they think they are entitled things without earning them. Yes, I am an old tired bitter old schooler and will retire when I can.
Millennials are to blame for most of modern society's ills. Them and the Baby Boomers.
Yes, it's only Generation X that can save us. :huh:
According to wiki - I'm a Millennial. :(
:nelson:
Of course when you end up with statements like this:
QuoteGenerally speaking, older members of Gen Y are the children of the Baby Boomers. Younger members of Generation Y are the children of Gen Xers. Older Gen Yers may have parents that are members of the Silent Generation.
Classification is too silly. :D
Quote from: garbon on September 05, 2012, 11:37:13 AM
According to wiki - I'm a Millennial. :(
Youth should not be a cause of sorrow.
Quote from: garbon on September 05, 2012, 12:00:32 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 05, 2012, 11:52:10 AM
Quote from: garbon on September 05, 2012, 11:37:13 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 05, 2012, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 05, 2012, 10:41:23 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 05, 2012, 08:56:16 AM
IMHO, modern day military is not as diciplined as before, it has gone soft. It now has all these politically correct bullshit rules, no one can be offended in any way. These kids confuse priviledges with rights, and have terrible work ethics and they think they are entitled things without earning them. Yes, I am an old tired bitter old schooler and will retire when I can.
Millennials are to blame for most of modern society's ills. Them and the Baby Boomers.
Yes, it's only Generation X that can save us. :huh:
According to wiki - I'm a Millennial. :(
:nelson:
Of course when you end up with statements like this:
QuoteGenerally speaking, older members of Gen Y are the children of the Baby Boomers. Younger members of Generation Y are the children of Gen Xers. Older Gen Yers may have parents that are members of the Silent Generation.
Classification is too silly. :D
Just wait until Gen Aleph is born.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 05, 2012, 12:57:27 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 05, 2012, 12:00:32 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 05, 2012, 11:52:10 AM
Quote from: garbon on September 05, 2012, 11:37:13 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 05, 2012, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 05, 2012, 10:41:23 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 05, 2012, 08:56:16 AM
IMHO, modern day military is not as diciplined as before, it has gone soft. It now has all these politically correct bullshit rules, no one can be offended in any way. These kids confuse priviledges with rights, and have terrible work ethics and they think they are entitled things without earning them. Yes, I am an old tired bitter old schooler and will retire when I can.
Millennials are to blame for most of modern society's ills. Them and the Baby Boomers.
Yes, it's only Generation X that can save us. :huh:
According to wiki - I'm a Millennial. :(
:nelson:
Of course when you end up with statements like this:
QuoteGenerally speaking, older members of Gen Y are the children of the Baby Boomers. Younger members of Generation Y are the children of Gen Xers. Older Gen Yers may have parents that are members of the Silent Generation.
Classification is too silly. :D
Just wait until Gen Aleph is born.
Looks like they already exist:
http://www.holyblossom.org/community-groups/young-adults/
Millennial in the military and (civilian world) are pieces of shit. But that means easy promotion for people who are not pieces of shit. Unless your supervisors are pieces of shit that want their cock sucked.
Quote from: Phillip V on September 05, 2012, 01:36:14 PM
Unless your supervisors are pieces of shit that want their cock sucked.
Grallon would prosper. Or Marty.
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 05, 2012, 08:56:16 AM
IMHO, modern day military is not as diciplined as before, it has gone soft. It now has all these politically correct bullshit rules, no one can be offended in any way. These kids confuse priviledges with rights, and have terrible work ethics and they think they are entitled things without earning them. Yes, I am an old tired bitter old schooler and will retire when I can.
I tend to agree. Though my world is rather different than most. Intelligence cannot really be compared to the rest of the military. Most of us, I think, are smart enough to know that even without strict discipline, things should be done in a reasonable way. But on the flip side, the bad apples that exist can be a nightmare to deal with. But I've been rather lucky myself, in that pretty much all of the subordinates I've had have had a great work ethic.
But then, we are also the Air Force. As an NCO, I cannot even make young Airmen do pushups, as the Army still can. We basically go through several layers of paper-reprimands before finally working on just kicking your sorry butt out. Hell, drunk driving is still often not an automatic ticket out.
Quote from: Tonitrus on September 05, 2012, 04:59:14 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 05, 2012, 08:56:16 AM
IMHO, modern day military is not as diciplined as before, it has gone soft. It now has all these politically correct bullshit rules, no one can be offended in any way. These kids confuse priviledges with rights, and have terrible work ethics and they think they are entitled things without earning them. Yes, I am an old tired bitter old schooler and will retire when I can.
I tend to agree. Though my world is rather different than most. Intelligence cannot really be compared to the rest of the military. Most of us, I think, are smart enough to know that even without strict discipline, things should be done in a reasonable way. But on the flip side, the bad apples that exist can be a nightmare to deal with. But I've been rather lucky myself, in that pretty much all of the subordinates I've had have had a great work ethic.
But then, we are also the Air Force. As an NCO, I cannot even make young Airmen do pushups, as the Army still can. We basically go through several layers of paper-reprimands before finally working on just kicking your sorry butt out. Hell, drunk driving is still often not an automatic ticket out.
Ton. interesting, thanks for that. :cheers:
I wonder if Seigy is old school ?
From what I gather, the more front-line professions like Siege's are more old school. But then, there is probably still a lot of accepted "off the books" discipline there as well.
Quote from: Tonitrus on September 05, 2012, 05:14:39 PM
From what I gather, the more front-line professions like Siege's are more old school. But then, there is probably still a lot of accepted "off the books" discipline there as well.
Yeah, could well be.
It's just interesting compare modern perceptions of the military with most of the ex-military I know who due to when they signed up, had it old school.
Though another of my friends, was part of the first intake after they ended conscription, something like 1962, and he said for the first couple of weeks the NCOs and establishment were as nice as pie towards them, just up to until the point when they'd ensured they had a large enough intake to meet requirements, which is when they reverted to time honoured British Army practices. :bowler:
Meh, I always hear a NCOs and Officers bitch about how "new" Soldiers suck, but they never then additionally talk about real solutions and doing something about it. Maybe they should look in the mirror.
There are always some good young Soldiers that you can take under your wing, mentor, promote, and start a real good culture change of resilience, competence, and duty. It spreads. But these good kids will quickly become corrupted, impregnated, or disillusioned within a year or two if the Sergeants and Lieutenants above them are too busy drinking, trying to get laid, or creating busywork/paperwork.
Quote from: Phillip V on September 05, 2012, 05:32:02 PM
Meh, I always hear a NCOs and Officers bitch about how "new" Soldiers suck, but they never then additionally talk about real solutions and doing something about it. Maybe they should look in the mirror.
There are always some good young Soldiers that you can take under your wing, mentor, promote, and start a real good culture change of resilience, competence, and duty. It spreads. But these good kids will quickly become corrupted, impregnated, or disillusioned within a year or two if the Sergeants and Lieutenants above them are too busy drinking, trying to get laid, or creating busywork/paperwork.
Thanks for that.
Quote from: Tonitrus on September 05, 2012, 05:14:39 PM
From what I gather, the more front-line professions like Siege's are more old school. But then, there is probably still a lot of accepted "off the books" discipline there as well.
My buddy spent a few years in Korea back in the 90's, and apparently the closer to a combat tempo you are, the more old-school style discipline there is. He said there was a substantial difference between how to deal with things a few kilometers from the DMZ as opposed to, say, Fort Stewart. I suppose there's no room for play the closer you are to a combat zone.
Quote from: Phillip V on September 05, 2012, 05:32:02 PM
Meh, I always hear a NCOs and Officers bitch about how "new" Soldiers suck, but they never then additionally talk about real solutions and doing something about it. Maybe they should look in the mirror.
Meh, lot of bitching, ain't ya?
Joe always talk shit about his chain of command. Always.
Reality is, the new generation of soldiers is extremely self-centric, individualistic, and short-sighted. Gone are the patriotism and motivation of the generation that enlisted after 9/11. These new kids are not motivated to deploy, engage and destroy the enemies of the United States in close combat. They are just trying to go to college, and when they enlisted the only MOS avalaible was infantry.
This is the me-me generation. They want time off, and don't enjoy combat training, let alone combat service. They want to train to a time, instead of training to an standard.
Keep in mind though, that I am generalizing. A few of the kids are surprisingly good, and can be trained to excel in combat. But the large mayority are cry-babys that can't expend a night in the woods without bitching about "The Army".
The thing is, this is Obama's Army. The budget cut-off have had a massive impact on training. Getting training time on the ranges, and bullets to shoot, ain't easy no more. Just to give you a simple example, making the reservation for my last sniper range, I was told by Brigade that I could only have 300 rounds per month for all my 6 shooters. That's 50 rounds a piece. Per month. Do you think I can train snipers up to standard like this?
Then there is the whole "no hazing" policy that have been imposed on us for the last year or so. Hazing is bad for morale, I do not tolerate hazing among my soldiers. The problem is, that somebody up there have changed the definition of hazing, and now most NCOs cannot even smoke their privates. I make my privates do push ups when I think they deserve it, but they know I can not given them an smoke session for an hour like it used to be. Somebody in Washington have confused hazing with corrective training. Hazing is smoking the soldiers without reason, corrective training, is smoking the soldiers to fix a problem. If you don't like doing push ups, you shouldn't have joined the Army.
QuoteThere are always some good young Soldiers that you can take under your wing, mentor, promote, and start a real good culture change of resilience, competence, and duty. It spreads. But these good kids will quickly become corrupted, impregnated, or disillusioned within a year or two if the Sergeants and Lieutenants above them are too busy drinking, trying to get laid, or creating busywork/paperwork.
Yes, there are bad NCOs and Officers in the Army. Some. Not that many, at least in my unit. That's why I train my soldiers in leadership as well as in infantry stuff. The simplest concept of leadership, Be, Know, Do, so when I take them to the promotions board and they become Sergeants, they know what the fuck they are doing.
Said that, I find that last part that I quoted from you kind of weird. Let me explain:
Busywork/paperwork: I can't believe this part. I have never known an NCO that prefers to do paperwork over training on the field. All NCOs have to do paperwork, from counseling, to just maintaing the MAL (materiel allowance list), to other shit like guard rosters and so on. Officers do a LOT of paperwork that they are rquired to do, but in the end, don't forget that NCOs are the ones that train and educate the soldiers. I was really bafled by your estatement.
Too busy drinking, trying to get laid: Yes, we all do this, and its fine as long as is done off-duty. I don't get what you are bitching about here. Do you want NCOs to not drink and get laid? Off time is Off time, and after training hard, I give as much as I can to my soldiers. By the way, all NCOs and Officers I know do work far more hours than lower enlisted soldiers. Most of the time I release my soldiers for the day and THEN I do my paperwork.
But these good kids will quickly become corrupted, impregnated, or disillusioned: Yes, this is true, all that happens to our soldiers is the NCOs responsability. I agree. However, do you think I never had a shitty NCO or Officer? Most of my leadership have been rather good, but some have been rather bad. Do you think these bad leaders made me a bad soldier, making me "corrupted, impregnated, or disillusioned"? Fuck no. I'm here for the fight, and NOBODY can take away my motivation. So, blaming everything on the leadership, is another sign of the Me-Me generation, unable to accept responsability for their own actions. I tell you something about soldiers, there are 4 types of soldiers:
1- Able and Willing
2- Unable and Willing
3- Able and Unwilling
4- Unable and Unwilling
The Able and Willing is money. That's the kind of soldier I strive to create and/or atract to my squad from other squads because my squad is the best.
The Unable and Willing is the good guy that is new and doesnt know whta the fuck he is doing but is willing to learn. I can work with him. I can train him and mentor him until he goes up and become Able and Willing.
The Able and Unwilling is the shitbag, that been in the Army for a while, but doesn;t matter what you do he is unwillimg to play the game. I hate this kind of dude and I do everything in my power to get him out of the Army.
The Unablr and Unwilling is Jaron, he ain;t in this man's Army.
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and start a real good culture change of resilience, competence, and dutyI laughed at this one for a while. Resiliance? What, somebody got Icebergs, think traps, too much ctastrophic thinking?
Come on man, most guys I know laugh at the MRT (military resiliance training).
Point is man, joe is ALWAYS going to bitch, no matter what you do, and there is a lot you cna do to train good soldiers, but a lot also depends of the kind of guys we get.
Quote from: Siege on September 05, 2012, 08:10:09 PM
The thing is, this is Obama's Army. The budget cut-off have had a massive impact on training. Getting training time on the ranges, and bullets to shoot, ain't easy no more. Just to give you a simple example, making the reservation for my last sniper range, I was told by Brigade that I could only have 300 rounds per month for all my 6 shooters. That's 50 rounds a piece. Per month. Do you think I can train snipers up to standard like this?
Wait the military spends hundreds of billions a year and they cannot even afford bullets for training? The Feds truly amaze me. I guess all that money is needed for pork contracts.
That's because military budgeting is retarded.
Real life example:
- WTF, we can't get scrape together enough pennies for a freakin' toner cartridge for the printer/copier, so we have to leech off someone else's office for a couple months?
A couple months pass...
- HAI GUYZ, we got a few thousand we have to spend before the end of the fiscal quarter in a couple days...so besides that toner, who needs a 47" plasma TV in their office?
As a taxpayer, you should get by with a Emerson 19" tv. :mad:
Quote from: Tonitrus on September 05, 2012, 08:37:09 PM
That's because military budgeting is retarded.
Real life example:
- WTF, we can't get scrape together enough pennies for a freakin' toner cartridge for the printer/copier, so we have to leech off someone else's office for a couple months?
A couple months pass...
- HAI GUYZ, we got a few thousand we have to spend before the end of the fiscal quarter in a couple days...so besides that toner, who needs a 47" plasma TV in their office?
Just the fact that the Air Force is an independent service is a waste of money.
Quote from: Tonitrus on September 05, 2012, 08:37:09 PM
That's because military budgeting is retarded.
That sounds like the Federal government in general.
I remember calling one of my friends in the FBI; he and his other SAs were looking for clip art online for a good eagle to put on the business cards they were making with a laser printer, because the FBI wouldn't issue them any. :lol:
Quote from: Tonitrus on September 05, 2012, 08:37:09 PM
That's because military budgeting is retarded.
Real life example:
- WTF, we can't get scrape together enough pennies for a freakin' toner cartridge for the printer/copier, so we have to leech off someone else's office for a couple months?
A couple months pass...
- HAI GUYZ, we got a few thousand we have to spend before the end of the fiscal quarter in a couple days...so besides that toner, who needs a 47" plasma TV in their office?
This is so true it still fucking gives me night terrors, almost a year after I got out.
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 05, 2012, 08:49:57 PM
This is so true it still fucking gives me night terrors, almost a year after I got out.
It's kinda like that with the private sector, too; thing is, when we had money left over at the end of the year, we did shit like buying ATVs for the Natural Resources Police.
Bought the BPD a whole fucking horse for the Mounted Unit once.
Quote from: Valmy on September 05, 2012, 08:33:45 PM
Quote from: Siege on September 05, 2012, 08:10:09 PM
The thing is, this is Obama's Army. The budget cut-off have had a massive impact on training. Getting training time on the ranges, and bullets to shoot, ain't easy no more. Just to give you a simple example, making the reservation for my last sniper range, I was told by Brigade that I could only have 300 rounds per month for all my 6 shooters. That's 50 rounds a piece. Per month. Do you think I can train snipers up to standard like this?
Wait the military spends hundreds of billions a year and they cannot even afford bullets for training? The Feds truly amaze me. I guess all that money is needed for pork contracts.
I remember, back in Germany 1966, my father got home and started raging about the government and its mindbogglingly silly budgeting. At the time he was in 32 Engineer regiment which supported the 7th armoured division. To save money the tankers had been told to only shoot one round a year :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 05, 2012, 08:53:01 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 05, 2012, 08:49:57 PM
This is so true it still fucking gives me night terrors, almost a year after I got out.
Bought the BPD a whole fucking horse for the Mounted Unit once.
Why would they have bought half a fucking horse for the Mounted Unit?
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on September 06, 2012, 01:58:07 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 05, 2012, 08:33:45 PM
Quote from: Siege on September 05, 2012, 08:10:09 PM
The thing is, this is Obama's Army. The budget cut-off have had a massive impact on training. Getting training time on the ranges, and bullets to shoot, ain't easy no more. Just to give you a simple example, making the reservation for my last sniper range, I was told by Brigade that I could only have 300 rounds per month for all my 6 shooters. That's 50 rounds a piece. Per month. Do you think I can train snipers up to standard like this?
Wait the military spends hundreds of billions a year and they cannot even afford bullets for training? The Feds truly amaze me. I guess all that money is needed for pork contracts.
I remember, back in Germany 1966, my father got home and started raging about the government and its mindbogglingly silly budgeting. At the time he was in 32 Engineer regiment which supported the 7th armoured division. To save money the tankers had been told to only shoot one round a year :P
hehe, reminds me of a story my parents tell. Also in Germany. Late 70s, early 80s. They were doing combat training as the army is supposed to do at times. As cost-savings measure they weren't issued ammo but told to say pew-pew-pew to simulate gunfire. As you can see from miles away lots of cheating went on during that exercise.
Quote from: garbon on September 05, 2012, 01:20:44 PM
Looks like they already exist:
http://www.holyblossom.org/community-groups/young-adults/
That's the website of the temple I went to as a kid. Wierd. :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on September 06, 2012, 07:55:50 AM
Quote from: garbon on September 05, 2012, 01:20:44 PM
Looks like they already exist:
http://www.holyblossom.org/community-groups/young-adults/
That's the website of the temple I went to as a kid. Wierd. :lol:
:ph34r:
Old gen usually thinks the new gen isnt worth a shit. Only time will tell. :rolleyes:
Siege is great, I always feel like I get some real insight into combat military from his posts. :)
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 06, 2012, 07:43:54 AM
As cost-savings measure they weren't issued ammo but told to say pew-pew-pew to simulate gunfire. As you can see from miles away lots of cheating went on during that exercise.
:yes: We had exactly the same bullshit in Ukraine when I was serving in a kindergarten there. :mad:
Anyway, I'm pass drunk and recovering. Flight out have been postponed to end od this week.
Fuck, I am not suppossed to telll yuo when I;m flying out.
Did I just tell you whent I'm flying out!
Faggots, you watreboarded the truh out of me.
Im weak.
Anyway man,, talking about the Army, I feel team leaders aer weay weaker than they used to be.
I mean, I fuckingn xepetc my team leaders to be the most aggresive mothefickers in my platoon.
Team leader is the job, ios what you ewant to be.
In my squad, I am the voice of reasion, and my team leaders are the aggressive motherfucvkers.
I hold them back, i hold their reins, like two wild horses.
I release thrm on the enemy when PID {positive identificatiom) is confirmed by miself.
They are like wild dogs piulling from me.
I release them.
Guess what/
I am the must aggresssive motherfuker in my squad.
Ytthat's the wrong answer!
I am suppoussed to be the voice of reason!
I really hate it wen I have to push and kick myu team leaders into the fighrt.
Fuck man, wen I was team leader; I was all ove the enemy.
Thsse new dudes lack aggeresiviness. They are afraid of killing the wrong dude and ending up in jail.
Thank Obama.
Fuck man. I habe been investigated so many times.
I really don;t understand whay these dudes are so afraid of squezzein the trigger.
I prefer that my wife visits me in jail than my wife visitis me my tomb.
Quote from: DGuller on September 07, 2012, 12:19:16 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 06, 2012, 07:43:54 AM
As cost-savings measure they weren't issued ammo but told to say pew-pew-pew to simulate gunfire. As you can see from miles away lots of cheating went on during that exercise.
:yes: We had exactly the same bullshit in Ukraine when I was serving in a kindergarten there. :mad:
Surely they at least gave the teacher the live ammo. :hmm:
I don't think I'd want to live in a world where Siege was the voice of reason. :o
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 07, 2012, 12:05:42 PM
I don't think I'd want to live in a world where Siege was the voice of reason. :o
How about one where Siege was your superior officer? ;)
The only military discipline needed around here is over Siegy's access to his beer fridge out in the garage.
And somebody other than me ready to ban his ass for 8 hours when he's posting drunk. LOOKING AT YOU KAT YOURE ON PACIFIC TIME FOR FUCKS SAKE
Quote from: DGuller on September 07, 2012, 12:19:16 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 06, 2012, 07:43:54 AM
As cost-savings measure they weren't issued ammo but told to say pew-pew-pew to simulate gunfire. As you can see from miles away lots of cheating went on during that exercise.
:yes: We had exactly the same bullshit in Ukraine when I was serving in a kindergarten there. :mad:
Komsomol didn't give you guys real bullets? That sucks.
On the whole there is nothing wrong with Soldiers today. Being a Soldier is much harder than when I got in 21 years ago. The military is much more complex today, we need to master far more equipment than in the old days and require a much higher skill set to succeed.
There is a subset though that has a hard time adjusting to the Army, that can't handle rejection and failure and are too quick to quit. I noticed that they almost exclusively come out of households without a father, thus there not used to being met with disapproval.
However, even the worst US Soldier tends to perform better than all but the best of theAfghani soldiers.
There goes the siren again,off to the bunker.