Discipline in the Military, What is it like these days ?

Started by mongers, September 04, 2012, 09:43:37 PM

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mongers

September 04, 2012, 09:43:37 PM
Chatting with another of my e-military acquaintances* and he said he'd recently been on a nearby base had a conversation with one of the NCO's there, who said to him, there's no way you'd want to be in the Army nowadays as there's no discipline; the example given being a private been able to talk back to an officer and 'negotiate' over orders.

So how far is this a true reflection of changing military culture and does any of these modern practices infect the US military.


*this guy, served in the late 60s and 1970s and did the usual BOAR/ Northern Ireland tours at the time.
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September 04, 2012, 09:48:33 PM
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Razgovory

#2
September 05, 2012, 12:09:32 AM
Wait, the UK still has a military?
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Phillip V

#3
September 05, 2012, 01:20:02 AM
Maybe the officer is fucking the private. :secret:

Darth Wagtaros

#4
September 05, 2012, 06:03:36 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 05, 2012, 12:09:32 AM
Wait, the UK still has a military?
It is a surprise.
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Caliga

#5
September 05, 2012, 07:15:45 AM
Bring back Thatcher. :(
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mongers

#6
September 05, 2012, 08:04:38 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 05, 2012, 07:15:45 AM
Bring back Thatcher. :(

You do recall, her government 'savagely' cut the Royal Navy, in part precipitating the Argentine invasion of the Falklands ?
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#7
September 05, 2012, 08:06:35 AM
Quote from: mongers on September 05, 2012, 08:04:38 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 05, 2012, 07:15:45 AM
Bring back Thatcher. :(

You do recall, her government 'savagely' cut the Royal Navy, in part precipitating the Argentine invasion of the Falklands ?

Yeah, she had already sold one of the carriers and was looking for buyers for the other two at the time. Argentina acted too quickly.
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#8
September 05, 2012, 08:19:18 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on September 05, 2012, 01:20:02 AM
Maybe the officer is fucking the private. :secret:

Maybe the Private is getting ready to fire the Officer, Hans style.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

mongers

#9
September 05, 2012, 08:20:40 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 05, 2012, 08:19:18 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on September 05, 2012, 01:20:02 AM
Maybe the officer is fucking the private. :secret:

Maybe the Private is getting ready to fire the Officer, Hans style.

:D
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lustindarkness

#10
September 05, 2012, 08:56:16 AM
IMHO, modern day military is not as diciplined as before, it has gone soft. It now has all these politically correct bullshit rules, no one can be offended in any way. These kids confuse priviledges with rights, and have terrible work ethics and they think they are entitled things without earning them. Yes, I am an old tired bitter old schooler and will retire when I can.
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mongers

#11
September 05, 2012, 08:57:32 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 05, 2012, 08:56:16 AM
IMHO, modern day military is not as diciplined as before, it has gone soft. It now has all these politically correct bullshit rules, no one can be offended in any way. These kids confuse priviledges with rights, and have terrible work ethics and they think they are entitled things without earning them. Yes, I am an old tired bitter old schooler and will retire when I can.

:(

Lusti, thanks for that.
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Darth Wagtaros

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September 05, 2012, 10:41:23 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 05, 2012, 08:56:16 AM
IMHO, modern day military is not as diciplined as before, it has gone soft. It now has all these politically correct bullshit rules, no one can be offended in any way. These kids confuse priviledges with rights, and have terrible work ethics and they think they are entitled things without earning them. Yes, I am an old tired bitter old schooler and will retire when I can.
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Barrister

#13
September 05, 2012, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 05, 2012, 10:41:23 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 05, 2012, 08:56:16 AM
IMHO, modern day military is not as diciplined as before, it has gone soft. It now has all these politically correct bullshit rules, no one can be offended in any way. These kids confuse priviledges with rights, and have terrible work ethics and they think they are entitled things without earning them. Yes, I am an old tired bitter old schooler and will retire when I can.
Millennials are to blame for most of modern society's ills. Them and the Baby Boomers.

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garbon

#14
September 05, 2012, 11:37:13 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 05, 2012, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 05, 2012, 10:41:23 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 05, 2012, 08:56:16 AM
IMHO, modern day military is not as diciplined as before, it has gone soft. It now has all these politically correct bullshit rules, no one can be offended in any way. These kids confuse priviledges with rights, and have terrible work ethics and they think they are entitled things without earning them. Yes, I am an old tired bitter old schooler and will retire when I can.
Millennials are to blame for most of modern society's ills. Them and the Baby Boomers.

Yes, it's only Generation X that can save us.   :huh:

According to wiki - I'm a Millennial. :(
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