Transformers, X-Men, Batman, Animaniacs, Gargoyles, early Simpsons, the Tick and countless others . . .
I ask you: were those 15 years the pinnacle of cartoon making in the U.S.?
Nah, you were just young enough to appreciate cartoons back then.
You are kidding, right?
Eddie: Not necessarily. Our Saturday morning cartoons also finished a shitload of 70s series, and most of them were just crap.
No. The pinnacle is The Venture Bros. That started in the 21st century.
Quote from: Syt on August 24, 2012, 02:07:02 AM
Transformers, X-Men, Batman, Animaniacs, Gargoyles, early Simpsons, the Tick and countless others . . .
I ask you: were those 15 years the pinnacle of cartoon making in the U.S.?
I haven't seen enough cartoons from the 2000s to judge whether the cartoons of the present day are inferior. Certainly, the cartoons of the late 80s and 90s were much better than what had come before.
Those from the 2000s I have seen were good though.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 24, 2012, 02:19:04 AM
I haven't seen enough cartoons from the 2000s to judge whether the cartoons of the present day are inferior.
Same, and when I do watch cartoons they're ones meant for adults, like Futurama, Family Guy or Archer.
Of those you mention only the Simpsons would be enjoyable to watch today. Also, Archer.
I'd say the golden age is today simply on the grounds that that old shit just insults my intelligence but today you have animation that is not only meant for adults but you have the stuff that meet Walt Disney's dream standard of being so good that people will use their kids as excuses to watch.
Quote from: Syt on August 24, 2012, 02:15:27 AM
Eddie: Not necessarily. Our Saturday morning cartoons also finished a shitload of 70s series, and most of them were just crap.
Sure, but some old cartoons like Merry Melodies or The Flintstones were better than the vast majority of 80s/90s stuff. Bugs Bunny holds up well even into adulthood.
Untrue, Liep. Batman and Animainiacs were both quality programs. Transformers was also good; although crummy in many respects, it was fun and it spawned the finest animated film of all time. I remember liking X-Men quite a bit as well. I've heard good things about Gargoyles, but I never watched it.
I'll also throw in Tiny Toons. Awesome.
Quote from: Ideologue on August 24, 2012, 02:27:09 AMI've heard good things about Gargoyles, but I never watched it.
SF Debris is reviewing it atm.
http://sfdebris.com/videos/animation.asp
Quote from: Viking on August 24, 2012, 02:24:39 AM
but you have the stuff that meet Walt Disney's dream standard of being so good that people will use their kids as excuses to watch.
I can see that for Pixar/Dreamworks stuff, but tv series? Which ones do you have in mind?
Quote from: Ideologue on August 24, 2012, 02:27:09 AM
Untrue, Liep. Batman and Animainiacs were both quality programs. Transformers was also good; although crummy in many respects, it was fun and it spawned the finest animated film of all time. I remember liking X-Men quite a bit as well. I've heard good things about Gargoyles, but I never watched it.
I'll also throw in Tiny Toons. Awesome.
I enjoyed watching Batman and Transformers too, but I meant that today I wouldn't. So judging today's cartoon is difficult as we won't be able to value those made for kids.
OK, I can see your point with the others, but you wouldn't enjoy Batman? I watched a few the other month and found it to be a rather mature program, or at least nothing that actively pandered to children. Maybe it's just because I'm too into superheroes in general to age out of the system. On the other hand, I kind of hate Batman, but TAS made him palatable, so maybe not.
Quote from: Ideologue on August 24, 2012, 02:38:39 AM
OK, I can see your point with the others, but you wouldn't enjoy Batman? I watched a few the other month and found it to be a rather mature program, or at least nothing that actively pandered to children. Maybe it's just because I'm too into superheroes in general to age out of the system. On the other hand, I kind of hate Batman, but TAS made him palatable, so maybe not.
TAS is awesome and deals with mature themes.
The episode Mad Love sure as hell didn't pull any punches.
Quote from: Ideologue on August 24, 2012, 02:38:39 AM
I kind of hate Batman
So it must really rankle you that Christopher Nolan made 3 Batman movies that were all better than The Prestige. :P
As for Transformers: The Movie, I've watched that once or twice a year since I was four. It will never be unenjoyable. In fact, I think I enjoy it far more as an adult, appreciating the vocal performances of the truly all-star cast more, and being struck by the creative balls it's got to take to kill off your main character for real in the first five minutes of your property's feature film.
On the other hand, as an adult, Unicron's variable size is really annoying, and I doubt that bothered me as a kid.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 24, 2012, 02:42:53 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 24, 2012, 02:38:39 AM
I kind of hate Batman
So it must really rankle you that Christopher Nolan made 3 Batman movies that were all better than The Prestige. :P
And in Rand McNalley, they wear hats on their feet, and hamburgers eat people.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 24, 2012, 02:41:34 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 24, 2012, 02:38:39 AM
OK, I can see your point with the others, but you wouldn't enjoy Batman? I watched a few the other month and found it to be a rather mature program, or at least nothing that actively pandered to children. Maybe it's just because I'm too into superheroes in general to age out of the system. On the other hand, I kind of hate Batman, but TAS made him palatable, so maybe not.
TAS is awesome and deals with mature themes.
The episode Mad Love sure as hell didn't pull any punches.
No episode with Harley Quinn pulled any punches. Punches to my ears.
I thought Harley was funny and a pretty good addition to the series. I think it's the only originally TAS character that got its own comic series?
I'm normally a Marvel person, but Batman is the one DC hero I find actually interesting (granted, it's mostly because he has some of the best comic book villains out there). I never got into Superman much, and even less into Wonder Woman (I blame the lame old TV series for that)- I did read a couple of Green Lantern comics in the 80s and liked him, but not well enough to actually follow him much.
Well, there aren't that many original TAS characters. Was Renee Montoya? I don't think she was.
Mr. Freeze practically was--the famous backstory is entirely the invention of TAS iirc--but the concept is much older.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 24, 2012, 02:29:25 AM
Quote from: Viking on August 24, 2012, 02:24:39 AM
but you have the stuff that meet Walt Disney's dream standard of being so good that people will use their kids as excuses to watch.
I can see that for Pixar/Dreamworks stuff, but tv series? Which ones do you have in mind?
To be honest at home in private nobody can see you watch spongebob.
Some years ago Slargos bought a full boxed DVD set of The Transformers when he was working in my home town for some months and I borrowed the thing and watched it and it was epilepsy inducing crap. I didn't remember megatron constantly cackling like skeletor or optimus prime, y'know, not thinking shit out first; but that is what they do. The old stuff is really really bad, it's only your memory as a 6 year old that makes it any good.
However, having left the childrens animated tv 'verse for a while when jumping around youtube I found "Avengers: Earths Mightiest Heros" (first season acutally pretty good, second season dumbed down a bit). I thought it was well done and strangely true to my memories of the avengers both on tv and in comic books from when I was a kid. Once the shows ran out I looked for more am found "Avengers: United they stand" thinking I had missed two decades of reliving my childhood and bang there he was, a cackling skeletor like ultron.
I had learned that there was good stuff out there, but that a lot of crap remained. Then I found "Batman: The Animated Series" got the whole thing watched from cover to cover and saw a clear process of improving animation and more and more serious and well done writing.
I think when they make the movie based on the kiddies tv show: sometimes: they reboot the animated show trying to appeal both to the adults who watched it in the 1980s and to new kids. Avengers:EMH and Batman:TAS both tried and succeeded in doing that. Thus my Disney quote.
I think we are living in a golden age because we have people (like you and me) who demand quality and we live in a world where you can make a product which fits a niche and not have to entertain everybody on saturday morning kiddie prime time.
Agreed that due to my age I can't really judge todays cartoons fairly though definitely true that the cartoons of my childhood were generally better than the repeats from the 70s.
Except for Mr Benn. That was the peak of animation.
Quote from: Ideologue on August 24, 2012, 02:48:51 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 24, 2012, 02:41:34 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 24, 2012, 02:38:39 AM
OK, I can see your point with the others, but you wouldn't enjoy Batman? I watched a few the other month and found it to be a rather mature program, or at least nothing that actively pandered to children. Maybe it's just because I'm too into superheroes in general to age out of the system. On the other hand, I kind of hate Batman, but TAS made him palatable, so maybe not.
TAS is awesome and deals with mature themes.
The episode Mad Love sure as hell didn't pull any punches.
No episode with Harley Quinn pulled any punches. Punches to my ears.
Well neither does the Joker when he backhands her through a three story window.
Excellent origin story.
Quote from: Syt on August 24, 2012, 02:07:02 AM
Transformers, X-Men, Batman, Animaniacs, Gargoyles, early Simpsons, the Tick and countless others . . .
I ask you: were those 15 years the pinnacle of cartoon making in the U.S.?
That's what's fucked up with your generation and its tiny little minds. Can't think past the memory of your own shit-soiled diapers.
The pinnacle of US animation was 1948 to 1963. You douche.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 24, 2012, 06:37:36 AM
The pinnacle of US animation was 1948 to 1963. You douche.
I'd date it back to earlier 1940s - Fred Quimby era Tom and Jerry.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 24, 2012, 06:37:36 AM
That's what's fucked up with your generation and its tiny little minds.
I believe you and Syt would both be categorized as Generation X.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 24, 2012, 06:55:00 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 24, 2012, 06:37:36 AM
That's what's fucked up with your generation and its tiny little minds.
I believe you and Syt would both be categorized as Generation X.
Then he's tremendously retarded.
Quote from: Brazen on August 24, 2012, 06:52:54 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 24, 2012, 06:37:36 AM
The pinnacle of US animation was 1948 to 1963. You douche.
I'd date it back to earlier 1940s - Fred Quimby era Tom and Jerry.
You'd be wrong. :bowler: :hug:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 24, 2012, 06:37:36 AM
Quote from: Syt on August 24, 2012, 02:07:02 AM
Transformers, X-Men, Batman, Animaniacs, Gargoyles, early Simpsons, the Tick and countless others . . .
I ask you: were those 15 years the pinnacle of cartoon making in the U.S.?
That's what's fucked up with your generation and its tiny little minds. Can't think past the memory of your own shit-soiled diapers.
The pinnacle of US animation was 1948 to 1963. You douche.
I should have specified: TV cartoon serials. The old Disney, Looney Tunes, Tom & Jerry and Tex Avery cartoons are unsurpassed.
I enjoyed watching Tiny Toons and Animaniacs with my nephew. And Darkwing Duck. Along with all the Daffy. Woody Woodpecker, Tom and Jerry and Droopy that they would show.
Good wholesome shenanigans.
I love anime, its just that I got tired of the perpetual young angry man that seems to lead all japanesse animation.
I never thought much of american animation.
Quote from: Syt on August 24, 2012, 07:07:05 AM
I should have specified: TV cartoon serials. The old Disney, Looney Tunes, Tom & Jerry and Tex Avery cartoons are unsurpassed.
You have redeemed yourself.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 24, 2012, 08:12:34 AM
I enjoyed watching Tiny Toons and Animaniacs with my nephew.
Animaniacs were a hell of a lot funnier than people gave them credit for. The Goodfeathers were sublime.
Loved Cow & Chicken, and Eek the Cat were little gems.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 24, 2012, 08:18:56 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 24, 2012, 08:12:34 AM
I enjoyed watching Tiny Toons and Animaniacs with my nephew.
Animaniacs were a hell of a lot funnier than people gave them credit for. The Goodfeathers were sublime.
Loved Cow & Chicken, and Eek the Cat were little gems.
Dexter's Lab could be a hoot too (Muffin King episode) or Foster's Home for imaginary friends (The one with Bloo throwing a party with all the drug references).
Oh yeah, Dexter's Lab was pretty damned funny.
One more. Rocko's Modern Life.
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 24, 2012, 08:18:56 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 24, 2012, 08:12:34 AM
I enjoyed watching Tiny Toons and Animaniacs with my nephew.
Animaniacs were a hell of a lot funnier than people gave them credit for. The Goodfeathers were sublime.
The show had some surprisingly high brow references at times. Not to mention some naughty humour: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXc119xbDic
Quote from: Syt on August 24, 2012, 08:39:02 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 24, 2012, 08:18:56 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 24, 2012, 08:12:34 AM
I enjoyed watching Tiny Toons and Animaniacs with my nephew.
Animaniacs were a hell of a lot funnier than people gave them credit for. The Goodfeathers were sublime.
The show had some surprisingly high brow references at times. Not to mention some naughty humour: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXc119xbDic
Any cartoon with double entendre's like that fit into Disney's aspiration pretty well.
I did very much enjoy the 1990a Batman series, but not its more recent incarnations. Mark Hamill is an excellent voice artiste.
You guys heard of ReBoot? Was it broadcasted in the US?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 24, 2012, 02:26:22 AM
Quote from: Syt on August 24, 2012, 02:15:27 AM
Eddie: Not necessarily. Our Saturday morning cartoons also finished a shitload of 70s series, and most of them were just crap.
Sure, but some old cartoons like Merry Melodies or The Flintstones were better than the vast majority of 80s/90s stuff. Bugs Bunny holds up well even into adulthood.
Generally speaking, pre-1970 stuff is better than 1970s animation. So it's not so much that there was a goldent age after sometime after 1980 as that the 70s were a dark age. Or dork age.
Bugs Bunny is the pinnacle of cartoons.
Quote from: Grey Fox on August 24, 2012, 11:03:22 AM
You guys heard of ReBoot? Was it broadcasted in the US?
Oh god ReBoot. :bleeding:
Quote from: FunkMonk on August 24, 2012, 12:22:55 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on August 24, 2012, 11:03:22 AM
You guys heard of ReBoot? Was it broadcasted in the US?
Oh god ReBoot. :bleeding:
War Planets Shadow Raider?
I remember them fondly.
You know, I looked at some of the old 1990's Batman cartoons and thought they really held up. I used to like a show called "Tale Spin" that Disney made. I thought it was pretty cool.
Space Ghost. :sleep:
Quote from: Grey Fox on August 24, 2012, 11:03:22 AM
You guys heard of ReBoot? Was it broadcasted in the US?
Didn't like it. Yes, it was.
Batman the Animated Series was good. The later series less so.
The 90s series truly holds up. Besides the stories, I guess it's the orchestral soundtrack, plus a film noir/art deco style that makes it more abstract and less "contemporary".
Quote from: Razgovory on August 24, 2012, 12:42:54 PM
You know, I looked at some of the old 1990's Batman cartoons and thought they really held up. I used to like a show called "Tale Spin" that Disney made. I thought it was pretty cool.
I hated Tale Spin. And Chip and Dale's Rescue Rangers. :mad:
I liked it. Especially the Soviet Boars.
My nephew got mean if he couldn't watch them.
I enjoyed Dino Riders. :)
Also the VHS version had a kickass intro title scene:
Dino Riders (http://youtu.be/xT3o1ubncxE)
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 24, 2012, 03:21:48 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 24, 2012, 12:42:54 PM
You know, I looked at some of the old 1990's Batman cartoons and thought they really held up. I used to like a show called "Tale Spin" that Disney made. I thought it was pretty cool.
I hated Tale Spin. And Chip and Dale's Rescue Rangers. :mad:
Darkwing Duck! :)
Quote from: garbon on August 24, 2012, 03:37:20 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 24, 2012, 03:21:48 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 24, 2012, 12:42:54 PM
You know, I looked at some of the old 1990's Batman cartoons and thought they really held up. I used to like a show called "Tale Spin" that Disney made. I thought it was pretty cool.
I hated Tale Spin. And Chip and Dale's Rescue Rangers. :mad:
Darkwing Duck! :)
That one was cool. :)
Quote from: FunkMonk on August 24, 2012, 03:36:03 PM
I enjoyed Dino Riders. :)
Also the VHS version had a kickass intro title scene:
Dino Riders (http://youtu.be/xT3o1ubncxE)
You know, now that I see that show as an adult it's clear that that frog guy was just driving off space hippies from his space yard.
Quote from: FunkMonk on August 24, 2012, 12:22:55 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on August 24, 2012, 11:03:22 AM
You guys heard of ReBoot? Was it broadcasted in the US?
Oh god ReBoot. :bleeding:
best season wrap up ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFKHBygDZMY
Quote from: HVC on August 24, 2012, 03:45:35 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on August 24, 2012, 12:22:55 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on August 24, 2012, 11:03:22 AM
You guys heard of ReBoot? Was it broadcasted in the US?
Oh god ReBoot. :bleeding:
best season wrap up ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFKHBygDZMY
So what is this? Tetris blocks become characters.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 24, 2012, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 24, 2012, 03:37:20 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 24, 2012, 03:21:48 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 24, 2012, 12:42:54 PM
You know, I looked at some of the old 1990's Batman cartoons and thought they really held up. I used to like a show called "Tale Spin" that Disney made. I thought it was pretty cool.
I hated Tale Spin. And Chip and Dale's Rescue Rangers. :mad:
Darkwing Duck! :)
That one was cool. :)
:yes:
Quote from: Razgovory on August 24, 2012, 03:55:50 PM
Quote from: HVC on August 24, 2012, 03:45:35 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on August 24, 2012, 12:22:55 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on August 24, 2012, 11:03:22 AM
You guys heard of ReBoot? Was it broadcasted in the US?
Oh god ReBoot. :bleeding:
best season wrap up ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFKHBygDZMY
So what is this? Tetris blocks become characters.
day in the life of your computer... If you computer was made up of sentient program parts and viruses were evil and anti-virus programs were heroes. Also, every time you win a computer game you doom innocents to an existence of being electric leeches.
Anyone who thinks that Transformers is the height of animation needs to be shot.
Seriously, the golden age of animation is right now. They're not my childhood memories so I don't treasure them as much, but there is simply so much animation being made, and able to be made so cheaply due to computers, that you can't compare.
In the 80s I had to wait for Saturday morning. Now, not only are cartoons on primetime network TV, but there are whole cable channels dedicated to them. They run the entire age, from toddler-centred, to children, to adults.
Much like video games, better tech does not necessarily make a better quality product. However, there is a lot of good stuff being made, and the sheer volume means that there will be a significant amount of it out there that's good.
Quote from: Barrister on August 24, 2012, 04:25:20 PM
Anyone who thinks that Transformers is the height of animation needs to be shot.
Seriously, the golden age of animation is right now. They're not my childhood memories so I don't treasure them as much, but there is simply so much animation being made, and able to be made so cheaply due to computers, that you can't compare.
In the 80s I had to wait for Saturday morning. Now, not only are cartoons on primetime network TV, but there are whole cable channels dedicated to them. They run the entire age, from toddler-centred, to children, to adults.
To follow up on this, the best cartoons since the mid 90s are at the cinema. Just look at Pixar.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 24, 2012, 03:21:48 PM
I hated Tale Spin. And Chip and Dale's Rescue Rangers. :mad:
My sister always wanted to watch those. :yucky:
Some of my favorites from the period...
- Gummy Bears: it could often be quite a bit deeper than it seemed, especially the backstory.
- Exo-Squad: Actually had characters die, and a good, continuous plot-arc.
- Cadillacs & Dinosaurs: Very short-lived. but quite good.
Quote from: Tonitrus on August 24, 2012, 08:15:55 PM
- Cadillacs & Dinosaurs: Very short-lived. but quite good.
Hell, I remember that RPG from the 1980s. Never knew they ported it into a cartoon.
Quote from: Barrister on August 24, 2012, 04:25:20 PM
Anyone who thinks that Transformers: The Movie is the height of animation needs to be given a nice blowjob, with a lot of hand action.
:)
Quote from: FunkMonk on August 24, 2012, 05:04:06 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 24, 2012, 04:25:20 PM
Anyone who thinks that Transformers is the height of animation needs to be shot.
Seriously, the golden age of animation is right now. They're not my childhood memories so I don't treasure them as much, but there is simply so much animation being made, and able to be made so cheaply due to computers, that you can't compare.
In the 80s I had to wait for Saturday morning. Now, not only are cartoons on primetime network TV, but there are whole cable channels dedicated to them. They run the entire age, from toddler-centred, to children, to adults.
To follow up on this, the best cartoons since the mid 90s are at the cinema. Just look at Pixar.
You know what sucked? WALL-E. Besides the fact it was a total ripoff of Kurtzman and Woods's "Blobs*," it was a celebration of fascism.
It was funny, I guess. And anti-fat. So that was good. But everything else was fucked up.
And why the hell do robots have gender? Is WALL-E going to slip EVE a hot steel injection? Bullshit.
*Itself a reworking of Forster's "The Machine Stops," albeit done with a lot of new imagination; whereas WALL-E shamelessly plagiarized the visual aesthetic of "Blobs." You can read it here apparently: http://potrzebie.blogspot.com/2007/09/blobs.html It's neat. :)
Quote from: Ideologue on August 25, 2012, 12:01:57 AM
You know what sucked? WALL-E. Besides the fact it was a total ripoff of Kurtzman and Woods's "Blobs*," it was a celebration of fascism.
:huh: Elaborate
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 24, 2012, 10:24:13 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on August 24, 2012, 08:15:55 PM
- Cadillacs & Dinosaurs: Very short-lived. but quite good.
Hell, I remember that RPG from the 1980s. Never knew they ported it into a cartoon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evbqRI3wfWk
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 25, 2012, 12:13:23 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 25, 2012, 12:01:57 AM
You know what sucked? WALL-E. Besides the fact it was a total ripoff of Kurtzman and Woods's "Blobs*," it was a celebration of fascism.
:huh: Elaborate
I'M THE CAPTAIN I HAVE DEICIDED FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WE SHALL RETURN TO EARTH FORTHWITH HAHA I AM MAD WITH POWER
Quote from: Barrister on August 24, 2012, 04:25:20 PM
In the 80s I had to wait for Saturday morning. Now, not only are cartoons on primetime network TV, but there are whole cable channels dedicated to them. They run the entire age, from toddler-centred, to children, to adults.
Sheer quantity doesn't really make it a Golden Age.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 24, 2012, 10:24:13 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on August 24, 2012, 08:15:55 PM
- Cadillacs & Dinosaurs: Very short-lived. but quite good.
Hell, I remember that RPG from the 1980s. Never knew they ported it into a cartoon.
I read the original comic book and I didn't know either.
One '80's cartoon I enjoyed that I never hear mentioned was Count Duckula:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF6xdUAuPHY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF6xdUAuPHY)
Quote from: Ideologue on August 25, 2012, 12:20:36 AM
I'M THE CAPTAIN I HAVE DEICIDED FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WE SHALL RETURN TO EARTH FORTHWITH HAHA I AM MAD WITH POWER
He was following the protocol established when the ancestors of the current inhabitants boarded the ship.
Not sure I entirely agree, as there's a lot of good stuff out now. That being said, cartoons I loved as a kid not mentioned yet include The Real Ghostbusters, Ewoks, Ducktales, Muppet Babies (especially the Star Wars and Indiana Jones episodes), Voltron, and Robotech. I'm pretty sure most of them have aged less than well, but I really looked forward to them each week as a kid. In terms of Transformers and GI Joe, the new shows they have on The Hub are actually quite good.
Quote from: Viking on August 24, 2012, 03:10:17 AMHowever, having left the childrens animated tv 'verse for a while when jumping around youtube I found "Avengers: Earths Mightiest Heros" (first season acutally pretty good, second season dumbed down a bit). I thought it was well done and strangely true to my memories of the avengers both on tv and in comic books from when I was a kid.
I've started watching that, and have to admit it's not too bad. I think Hulk is too chatty and too much in control of himself, and the fights are a bit over the top (in the Breakout double episode they level a large section of Brooklyn/Queens?) but it's quite fun to watch. I'm glad they try doing their own stuff, mostly, not copying the new movies 1:1.
Quote from: Tonitrus on August 24, 2012, 08:15:55 PM
Some of my favorites from the period...
- Gummy Bears: it could often be quite a bit deeper than it seemed, especially the backstory.
- Exo-Squad: Actually had characters die, and a good, continuous plot-arc.
- Cadillacs & Dinosaurs: Very short-lived. but quite good.
Some of my Favs
Looney Tunes
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Speed Racer
Pink Panther
Fat Albert
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Mushmouth, Weird Harold, Bucky, Bill and Rudy
Quote from: 11B4V on August 26, 2012, 10:50:43 AM
Speed Racer
Yeah, man...between Speed Racer, Marine Boy, Kimba the White Lion and Star Blazers, our generation were into anime before being into anime was cool and subsequently destroyed by fucking hipsters and retardo Timmaytards fucktard fanboi assfucks.
Even with all the Saturday morning cartoons, my high holy hour on Saturdays were the back-to-back episodes of Speed Racer and Ultraman, right after Soul Train on WDCA Channel 20. Don Cornelius, Speed and Ultraman. Now that was a day.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 26, 2012, 11:01:17 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on August 26, 2012, 10:50:43 AM
Speed Racer
Yeah, man...between Speed Racer, Marine Boy, Kimba the White Lion and Star Blazers, our generation were into anime before being into anime was cool and subsequently destroyed by fucking hipsters and retardo Timmaytards fucktard fanboi assfucks.
I grew up with Captain Future, a 70s anime version of Edmond Hamilton's 1930s pulp sci-fi stories. One of the first animated series in shown in Germany to feature multi-episode story arcs (most stories were 3-4 episodes), and also featuring people dying. Also, it had a pretty sweet 1970s sci-fi utopia design.
Captain something and the Soldiers of the Future.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 26, 2012, 11:34:29 AM
Captain something and the Soldiers of the Future.
That was live action/computer animation, though?
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Some of my favorites from the period...
- Gummy Bears: it could often be quite a bit deeper than it seemed, especially the backstory.
- Exo-Squad: Actually had characters die, and a good, continuous plot-arc.
- Cadillacs & Dinosaurs: Very short-lived. but quite good.
Some of my Favs
Looney Tunes
Speed Racer
Pink Panther
Fat Albert
Most of those were late 70's. early 80's... :contract:
...and I watched all of them as well. Except Speed Racer...could never get into that. Though I did enjoy Star Blazers, Voltron, and Tranzor Z (back when we still called it Japanimation).
And G-Force, where the villain's (dressed like a bat or something) troops wore bell bottoms.
No love for Scooby Doo?
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2 preppies, a stoner, a man hating lesbian and talking dog. And if anybody mentions Scrappy Doo, I'll punch them in the nuts.
I watched the 90s version with them all as kids - A Pup Named Scooby-Doo? A couple of writers from that show went on to Tiny Toons and Animaniacs. It was a rather surreal self-parody. I mean, they had a recurring character called Red Herring, FFS.
I had the misfortune to have seen that.
Ugh.
Quote from: Syt on August 26, 2012, 02:35:37 PM
I watched the 90s version with them all as kids - A Pup Named Scooby-Doo? A couple of writers from that show went on to Tiny Toons and Animaniacs. It was a rather surreal self-parody. I mean, they had a recurring character called Red Herring, FFS.
Of course the baddie in scooby doo was named after a logical fallacy. The writers deliberately wrote their show in part to promote scientific thinking and naturalism. There were never any ghosts or anything else supernatural in scooby doo, only con men trying to use the fear of ghosts to scare off gullible people. It's educational tv ffs.
Quote from: Viking on August 26, 2012, 03:55:56 PM
Of course the baddie in scooby doo was named after a logical fallacy. The writers deliberately wrote their show in part to promote scientific thinking and naturalism. There were never any ghosts or anything else supernatural in scooby doo, only con men trying to use the fear of ghosts to scare off gullible people. It's educational tv ffs.
Spoilers! :mad:
I read an article on Scooby Doo for its latest anniversary, and they said that the baddie in every single case was always the second guy to be introduced in the episode. Talk about predictability. :lol:
Quote from: The Larch on August 26, 2012, 04:40:14 PM
I read an article on Scooby Doo for its latest anniversary, and they said that the baddie in every single case was always the second guy to be introduced in the episode. Talk about predictability. :lol:
Well, if that's what it said, the article is wrong.
Quote from: Viking on August 26, 2012, 03:55:56 PMOf course the baddie in scooby doo was named after a logical fallacy. The writers deliberately wrote their show in part to promote scientific thinking and naturalism. There were never any ghosts or anything else supernatural in scooby doo, only con men trying to use the fear of ghosts to scare off gullible people. It's educational tv ffs.
Uhm, Red Herring was never, ever the culprit, though. He never appeared in an episode. Only at the end, before the resolution, it would be Freddie guessing that it was all done by Red Herring.
Quote from: Syt on August 26, 2012, 09:47:06 PM
Uhm, Red Herring was never, ever the culprit, though. He never appeared in an episode. Only at the end, before the resolution, it would be Freddie guessing that it was all done by Red Herring.
I don't think that's right.
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Google and my very fuzzy recollection says it was this guy.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 26, 2012, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: Syt on August 26, 2012, 09:47:06 PM
Uhm, Red Herring was never, ever the culprit, though. He never appeared in an episode. Only at the end, before the resolution, it would be Freddie guessing that it was all done by Red Herring.
I don't think that's right.
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Google and my very fuzzy recollection says it was this guy.
Yes, he did. Sorry, my body needs more coffee. I meant to say he never showed up during an episode except at the end.
Quotedestroyed by fucking hipsters
I can think of about 10 anime movies that are even close to acceptable for hipsters, but beyond that it's actually pretty close to the antithesis of the entire cultural group. :huh:
Quote from: Syt on August 26, 2012, 11:09:20 AM
I grew up with Captain Future, a 70s anime version of Edmond Hamilton's 1930s pulp sci-fi stories. One of the first animated series in shown in Germany to feature multi-episode story arcs (most stories were 3-4 episodes), and also featuring people dying. Also, it had a pretty sweet 1970s sci-fi utopia design.
Capitaine Flam, as it was called in France was one of the most popular cartoons back then. Japanese cartoons (can't call them anime if it's pre middle '90s") were extremely popular and still are, among the around 30 crowd.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 26, 2012, 02:30:20 PM
2 preppies, a stoner, a man hating lesbian and talking dog. And if anybody mentions Scrappy Doo, I'll punch them in the nuts.
You should watch the new one. The characters are under oath to never mention Scrappy again.
I think Flim Flam is doing 5 life sentences for fraud or smoething. That's about as far as I'll go in saying anything gooda bout the new one.
Scrappy Doo is integral to the show for me since I grew up in the 90s. When I saw repeats of the original show from the 70s I was rather confused by his absence.
I was never too big on Scooby Doo as a kid.
Anime and popularity...yes. I liked it before it was popular and the way so many kids these days do...it makes me sad, jealous and slightly snobby. No way is it a hipster thing though.
Quote from: Tyr on August 27, 2012, 10:35:43 AM
Scrappy Doo is integral to the show for me since I grew up in the 90s. When I saw repeats of the original show from the 70s I was rather confused by his absence.
I was never too big on Scooby Doo as a kid.
I grew up in the 90s and would say the opposite to each of those sentences. :P
Quote from: Tyr on August 27, 2012, 10:35:43 AM
Scrappy Doo is integral to the show for me since I grew up in the 90s. When I saw repeats of the original show from the 70s I was rather confused by his absence.
I was never too big on Scooby Doo as a kid.
Get out. Now.
Quote from: Tyr on August 27, 2012, 10:35:43 AM
I was never too big on Scooby Doo as a kid.
But would you watch it for
two Scooby snacks?
I remember very well the anticipation my brothers & I had when it was announced that Scrappy Doo was going to be a new character on the show. We were all pretty certain that it would make the show even better. I was 6 at the time, and had him envisioned as a version of Scooby covered in garbage (i.e., scraps).
Well, the three of us were pretty pissed. It was our biggest disappointment until PacMan came out for the Atari 2600 2 or 3 years later.