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How much of this is fluff, how much of it is real? The bits that are real, what do they actually mean?
I'm particularly interested in the following:
1. Reagan Economic Zone for free enterprise. - What is that?
2. Replace Obamacare with real health care reform that controls costs and improves care. - Are there any details on what that means in practical terms?
3. Protect workers and businesses from strong-arm labor union tactics. - What does this mean? Is this just a "I'm on your side" to the many Americans who hate unions and a screw-with-a-supposedly-Democrat-constituency, or is there something specific planned? What are the strong-arm tactics that are so problematic?
4. Give every family access to a great school and quality teachers. I suppose this is some sort of "we're going to push school vouchers"? If so, is access to great schools and quality teachers assumed to be inherent in providing vouchers for people, or is there some other sort of mechanism proposed in addition to the vouchers?
5. Provide access to effective and affordable higher education programs. - any word on the details of that?
6. All the bits under the Cut the Deficit combined with reduce taxes on job creation through individual and corporate tax reform. - Do those numbers add up? And does taxes on job creation mean something other than taxes on making money? Are there mechanisms in the proposed tax reform that encourages job creation beyond "you get to keep more of your money if you make a lot of it"?
My eyes glazed over after third platitude, sorry.
Much like his taxes, his faith, his gubernatorial record, his "retroactive retirement", his overseas bank accounts, and his wife's fucking horse, I really don't see why Mittens has to explain anything about anything.
TRUST ME I KNOW BIDNESS
I imagine #3 means something like union members could opt out of political donations taken out of their dues.
Quote from: Jacob on August 03, 2012, 01:27:53 PM
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How much of this is fluff, how much of it is real? The bits that are real, what do they actually mean?
I'm particularly interested in the following:
1. Reagan Economic Zone for free enterprise. - What is that?
The WTO apprently, it must be part of the Republican goal of naming stuff everywhere after Ronald Reagan a tax raising labor union leadeing democrat who while president repeated raised taxes while exploding spending.
Quote from: Jacob on August 03, 2012, 01:27:53 PM
2. Replace Obamacare with real health care reform that controls costs and improves care. - Are there any details on what that means in practical terms?
Romney-Care, right?
Quote from: Jacob on August 03, 2012, 01:27:53 PM
3. Protect workers and unions from strong-arm labor union tactics. - What does this mean? Is this just a "I'm on your side" to the many Americans who hate unions and a screw-with-a-supposedly-Democrat-constituency, or is there something specific planned? What are the strong-arm tactics that are so problematic?
Because when he was at bain he realized the real problem in the american economy is the wages he has to pay workers and their employment and workplace safety rights.
Quote from: Jacob on August 03, 2012, 01:27:53 PM
4. Give every family access to a great school and quality teachers. I suppose this is some sort of "we're going to push school vouchers"? If so, is access to great schools and quality teachers assumed to be inherent in providing vouchers for people, or is there some other sort of mechanism proposed in addition to the vouchers?
yes, and to pay for this we will.. ehh.. raise taxes?
Quote from: Jacob on August 03, 2012, 01:27:53 PM
5. Provide access to effective and affordable higher education programs. - any word on the details of that?
ditto
Quote from: Jacob on August 03, 2012, 01:27:53 PM
6. All the bits under the Cut the Deficit combined with reduce taxes on job creation through individual and corporate tax reform. - Do those numbers add up? And does taxes on job creation mean something other than taxes on making money? Are there mechanisms in the proposed tax reform that encourages job creation beyond "you get to keep more of your money if you make a lot of it"?
Yay, every gets the same tax rate as mitt!!!!!
Voucher programs don't increase overall expenditure. The public school the kid leaves gets less money than before.
Regulations are destroying the coal industry?
I thought it was cheap natural gas.
Doesn't take a PE exec to figure this out.
America is Saved. :cool:
I think Jake's #3 point is mis-transcribed in a fundamental way.
What organization was it that said a couple days ago that Romney's tax plan would actually increase taxes on the middle class and decrease taxes for the rich? Obama got a lot of ad material from that report.
Isn't this what happens every-time we get plans during the election cycle?
Quote from: garbon on August 03, 2012, 02:01:32 PM
Isn't this what happens every-time we get plans during the election cycle?
I think it's fair to say this document is more ambiguous about actual policies than the norm.
I don't know I feel like I'm getting deja vu from '08.
I am excited about this real health care reform that is guaranteed to reduce costs and improve care.
Quote from: garbon on August 03, 2012, 02:10:00 PM
I don't know I feel like I'm getting deja vu from '08.
Obama might have set the standard for campaigns moving forward. Even his slogan is Obama-esque.
Quote from: FunkMonk on August 03, 2012, 01:52:20 PM
What organization was it that said a couple days ago that Romney's tax plan would actually increase taxes on the middle class and decrease taxes for the rich? Obama got a lot of ad material from that report.
Tax Policy Center. Don't let the board Republitards fool you; it's not the lefty AEI they say it is.
attract and retain the brightest and best from around the world? How is that going to help the US middle class become employed?
Shouldn't he being saying stuff like - help our brightest and best reach their full potential? You know a be all you can be thing.
Instead isnt he saying "our brightest and best - well they are not all that bright and there are much better out there in the rest of the world. Lets bring them in to run things."
Quoteattract and retain the brightest and best from around the world? How is that going to help the US middle class become employed?
When they leave their countries to come here that will open up 3rd world jobs that Americans can take when they are forced to emigrate? :hmm:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 03, 2012, 02:13:13 PM
Tax Policy Center. Don't let the board Republitards fool you; it's not the lefty AEI they say it is.
The Urban Institute is pretty lefty. Pretty black-lefty.
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 03, 2012, 02:14:38 PM
attract and retain the brightest and best from around the world? How is that going to help the US middle class become employed?
In the same way that extending unemployment benefits reduces the unemployment rate.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 03, 2012, 02:23:31 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 03, 2012, 02:13:13 PM
Tax Policy Center. Don't let the board Republitards fool you; it's not the lefty AEI they say it is.
The Urban Institute is pretty lefty. Pretty black-lefty.
Who do you think live in cities, graduating with all those Urban Studies degrees? Whitey farmers? C'mon.
Quote from: Valmy on August 03, 2012, 02:11:04 PM
I am excited about this real health care reform that is guaranteed to reduce costs and improve care.
Did great things for us here in Mass.
Quote from: Valmy on August 03, 2012, 02:11:04 PM
I am excited about this real health care reform that is guaranteed to reduce costs and improve care.
I'm not a health actuary, but it does sound like a good thing. Maybe Mitt does have some good ideas after all.
Quote from: DGuller on August 03, 2012, 01:50:20 PM
I think Jake's #3 point is mis-transcribed in a fundamental way.
Haha yeah. I'll fix it.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 03, 2012, 02:33:39 PM
Did great things for us here in Mass.
I thought he had to disown that. :hmm:
Is the plan just to implement the Mass plan for the whole country?
I think I was right when I way back when Michelle Bachman was leading the polls predicted that Romney would win but that he didn't have a snowballs chance in hell since that while the teabaggers might agree with him they hate him more than obama.
Quote from: Valmy on August 03, 2012, 02:59:11 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 03, 2012, 02:33:39 PM
Did great things for us here in Mass.
I thought he had to disown that. :hmm:
Is the plan just to implement the Mass plan for the whole country?
He did. Kinda. Sorta. Maybe?
Quote from: Viking on August 03, 2012, 03:00:32 PM
I think I was right when I way back when Michelle Bachman was leading the polls predicted that Romney would win but that he didn't have a snowballs chance in hell since that while the teabaggers might agree with him they hate him more than obama.
You always think you are right. :hmm:
Quote from: Viking on August 03, 2012, 03:00:32 PM
Romney would win but that he didn't have a snowballs chance in hell since that while the teabaggers might agree with him they hate him more than obama.
I don't see why, he's doing all their bidding. He's a hell of a script reader.
Personally, I can't wait for the GOP convention. It should be Yucks A Minute.
This is just "Mitt Romney's Plan to Shoot Rainbows Out His Ass." I don't see any substance at all. Not unusual for a campaign year "plan" by any candidate, but I don't think there is even enough here to superficially analyze.
Quote from: grumbler on August 03, 2012, 03:13:26 PM
This is just "Mitt Romney's Plan to Shoot Rainbows Out His Ass." I don't see any substance at all. Not unusual for a campaign year "plan" by any candidate, but I don't think there is even enough here to superficially analyze.
Is the lack of substance to be expected, or is there even less than normal to the degree that there are more questions about Mitt's substance and plans than there ought to be?
Quote from: Jacob on August 03, 2012, 03:18:26 PM
Is the lack of substance to be expected, or is there even less than normal to the degree that there are more questions about Mitt's substance and plans than there ought to be?
I think it is to be expected at this stage of the campaign. Mitt wants to have something that sounds good but offends no one in his base. Platforms will get more specific after the conventions.
Quote from: grumbler on August 03, 2012, 04:08:20 PM
Quote from: Jacob on August 03, 2012, 03:18:26 PM
Is the lack of substance to be expected, or is there even less than normal to the degree that there are more questions about Mitt's substance and plans than there ought to be?
I think it is to be expected at this stage of the campaign. Mitt wants to have something that sounds good but offends no one in his base. Platforms will get more specific after the conventions.
So whatever specifics I want, I am more likely to get them after the convention, and that's more or less par for the course.
Okay, thanks :)
Quote from: Jacob on August 03, 2012, 04:51:24 PM
So whatever specifics I want, I am more likely to get them after the convention, and that's more or less par for the course.
Okay, thanks :)
As far as Mittens is concerned, you'll get them after the election.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 03, 2012, 04:54:59 PM
Quote from: Jacob on August 03, 2012, 04:51:24 PM
So whatever specifics I want, I am more likely to get them after the convention, and that's more or less par for the course.
Okay, thanks :)
As far as Mittens is concerned, you'll get them after the election.
You might have a good point here. There's really nothing that Romney can run on. If he runs on a Republican platform, he probably can't win the election. If he runs on a platform of sanity, he'll lose the political right to the Libertarians or whatever other lunatic fringe candidate comes out.
Michelle Obama is the only political figure I know of that has a real plan for a stronger middle class, now that Arnold is out of the picture.