Mitt Romney's Plan for a Stronger Middle Class

Started by Jacob, August 03, 2012, 01:27:53 PM

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August 03, 2012, 01:27:53 PM Last Edit: August 03, 2012, 02:58:56 PM by Jacob


How much of this is fluff, how much of it is real? The bits that are real, what do they actually mean?

I'm particularly interested in the following:

1. Reagan Economic Zone for free enterprise. - What is that?

2. Replace Obamacare with real health care reform that controls costs and improves care. - Are there any details on what that means in practical terms?

3. Protect workers and businesses from strong-arm labor union tactics. - What does this mean? Is this just a "I'm on your side" to the many Americans who hate unions and a screw-with-a-supposedly-Democrat-constituency, or is there something specific planned? What are the strong-arm tactics that are so problematic?

4. Give every family access to a great school and quality teachers. I suppose this is some sort of "we're going to push school vouchers"? If so, is access to great schools and quality teachers assumed to be inherent in providing vouchers for people, or is there some other sort of mechanism proposed in addition to the vouchers?

5. Provide access to effective and affordable higher education programs. - any word on the details of that?

6. All the bits under the Cut the Deficit combined with reduce taxes on job creation through individual and corporate tax reform. - Do those numbers add up? And does taxes on job creation mean something other than taxes on making money? Are there mechanisms in the proposed tax reform that encourages job creation beyond "you get to keep more of your money if you make a lot of it"?

DGuller

#1
August 03, 2012, 01:36:35 PM
My eyes glazed over after third platitude, sorry.

CountDeMoney

#2
August 03, 2012, 01:36:54 PM
Much like his taxes, his faith, his gubernatorial record, his "retroactive retirement", his overseas bank accounts, and his wife's fucking horse, I really don't see why Mittens has to explain anything about anything.

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Admiral Yi

#3
August 03, 2012, 01:40:29 PM
I imagine #3 means something like union members could opt out of political donations taken out of their dues.

Viking

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August 03, 2012, 01:45:06 PM
Quote from: Jacob on August 03, 2012, 01:27:53 PM


How much of this is fluff, how much of it is real? The bits that are real, what do they actually mean?

I'm particularly interested in the following:

1. Reagan Economic Zone for free enterprise. - What is that?
The WTO apprently, it must be part of the Republican goal of naming stuff everywhere after Ronald Reagan a tax raising labor union leadeing democrat who while president repeated raised taxes while exploding spending.
Quote from: Jacob on August 03, 2012, 01:27:53 PM
2. Replace Obamacare with real health care reform that controls costs and improves care. - Are there any details on what that means in practical terms?

Romney-Care, right?
Quote from: Jacob on August 03, 2012, 01:27:53 PM
3. Protect workers and unions from strong-arm labor union tactics. - What does this mean? Is this just a "I'm on your side" to the many Americans who hate unions and a screw-with-a-supposedly-Democrat-constituency, or is there something specific planned? What are the strong-arm tactics that are so problematic?


Because when he was at bain he realized the real problem in the american economy is the wages he has to pay workers and their employment and workplace safety rights.

Quote from: Jacob on August 03, 2012, 01:27:53 PM
4. Give every family access to a great school and quality teachers. I suppose this is some sort of "we're going to push school vouchers"? If so, is access to great schools and quality teachers assumed to be inherent in providing vouchers for people, or is there some other sort of mechanism proposed in addition to the vouchers?

yes, and to pay for this we will.. ehh.. raise taxes?
Quote from: Jacob on August 03, 2012, 01:27:53 PM
5. Provide access to effective and affordable higher education programs. - any word on the details of that?

ditto
Quote from: Jacob on August 03, 2012, 01:27:53 PM
6. All the bits under the Cut the Deficit combined with reduce taxes on job creation through individual and corporate tax reform. - Do those numbers add up? And does taxes on job creation mean something other than taxes on making money? Are there mechanisms in the proposed tax reform that encourages job creation beyond "you get to keep more of your money if you make a lot of it"?

Yay, every gets the same tax rate as mitt!!!!!
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August 03, 2012, 01:47:37 PM
Voucher programs don't increase overall expenditure.  The public school the kid leaves gets less money than before.

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#6
August 03, 2012, 01:49:23 PM
Regulations are destroying the coal industry?

I thought it was cheap natural gas.

Doesn't take a PE exec to figure this out.
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#7
August 03, 2012, 01:50:07 PM
America is Saved.  :cool:
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DGuller

#8
August 03, 2012, 01:50:20 PM
I think Jake's #3 point is mis-transcribed in a fundamental way.

FunkMonk

#9
August 03, 2012, 01:52:20 PM
What organization was it that said a couple days ago that Romney's tax plan would actually increase taxes on the middle class and decrease taxes for the rich? Obama got a lot of ad material from that report.
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garbon

#10
August 03, 2012, 02:01:32 PM
Isn't this what happens every-time we get plans during the election cycle?
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#11
August 03, 2012, 02:03:50 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 03, 2012, 02:01:32 PM
Isn't this what happens every-time we get plans during the election cycle?

I think it's fair to say this document is more ambiguous about actual policies than the norm.

garbon

#12
August 03, 2012, 02:10:00 PM
I don't know I feel like I'm getting deja vu from '08.
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#13
August 03, 2012, 02:11:04 PM
I am excited about this real health care reform that is guaranteed to reduce costs and improve care.
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#14
August 03, 2012, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 03, 2012, 02:10:00 PM
I don't know I feel like I'm getting deja vu from '08.

Obama might have set the standard for campaigns moving forward.  Even his slogan is Obama-esque.
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