To honor those that serve in the National Guard.
You suck as killers, but you are great all the same.
Ok, you rock.
Your dedication and sacrify is so more greater than mine, because you are not motivated by the same reasons that I am. You don't fight because you have to, you fight because you HAVE TO.
Song with lyrics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDSQ2lx80Lg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDSQ2lx80Lg)
Actual video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJRthpxDM10&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJRthpxDM10&feature=related)
"Citizen / Soldier"
Beyond the boundaries of your city's lights,
Stand the heroes waiting for your cries.
So many times you did not bring this on yourself,
When that moment finally comes,
I'll be there to help.
On that day when you need your brothers and sisters to care,
I'll be right here.
Citizen soldiers holding the light for the ones that we guide from the dark of despair.
Standing on guard for the ones that we sheltered,
We'll always be ready because we will always be there.
When there are people crying in the streets,
When they're starving for a meal to eat,
When they simply need a place to make their beds,
Right here underneath my wing,
You can rest your head.
On that day when you need your brothers and sisters to care,
I'll be right here!
Citizen soldiers holding the light for the ones that we guide from the dark of despair.
Standing on guard for the ones that we sheltered,
We'll always be ready because we will always be there...
There... there... there...
Hope and pray that you'll never need me,
But rest assured I will not let you down.
I'll walk beside you but you may not see me,
The strongest among you may not wear a crown.
On that day when you need your brothers and sisters to care,
I'll be right here!
On that day when you don't have the strength for the burden you bear,
I'll be right here!
Citizen soldiers holding the light for the ones that we guide from the dark of despair.
(Citizen soldiers)
Standing on guard for the ones that we sheltered,
We'll always be ready because we will always be there.
Nobody say nothing?
You can hide from me, you can acusse me of being whatever you want.
But these guys? They call to your councious.
I am motivated for victory over islam.
I give my life gladly for victory over islam.
These guys, don't give a fuck about islam.
They do their duty no matter what.
They might not be combat effective,
Pound by pound, they might not be worth your treasure.
But they are your reserve and your last ditch defense when the shit hits the fan.
Be proud of your people that serve because it is the right thing to do.
I was a citizen soldier thanks to conscription (or "citizens in uniform" as we call them in Germany). Do you respect me? :)
Sometimes I hope my obesity will prevent me from ever being conscripted :lol:
Quote from: Syt on May 08, 2009, 02:19:43 AM
I was a citizen soldier thanks to conscription (or "citizens in uniform" as we call them in Germany). Do you respect me? :)
Of course I do.
I ask no more than to do your duty for your country.
If your country is on my side of The Long War, of course.
Quote from: Monoriu on May 08, 2009, 02:27:37 AM
Sometimes I hope my obesity will prevent me from ever being conscripted :lol:
Don't worry, last thing we want, is somebody in uniform that doesn't want to wear our colors.
Wasn't one of Ambrose's best books but interesting enough.
Hmmm so far my only experience on languish with USANG is Hans....
Quote from: sbr on May 08, 2009, 02:38:29 AM
Wasn't one of Ambrose's best books but interesting enough.
Meaning?
Quote from: katmai on May 08, 2009, 02:39:02 AM
Hmmm so far my only experience on languish with USANG is Hans....
Who is far beyond awesome!
Quote from: Siege on May 08, 2009, 02:33:36 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 08, 2009, 02:19:43 AM
I was a citizen soldier thanks to conscription (or "citizens in uniform" as we call them in Germany). Do you respect me? :)
Of course I do.
I ask no more than to do your duty for your country.
If your country is on my side of The Long War, of course.
Who's side are you on?
Quote from: Viking on May 08, 2009, 02:59:31 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 08, 2009, 02:33:36 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 08, 2009, 02:19:43 AM
I was a citizen soldier thanks to conscription (or "citizens in uniform" as we call them in Germany). Do you respect me? :)
Of course I do.
I ask no more than to do your duty for your country.
If your country is on my side of The Long War, of course.
Who's side are you on?
The RIGHT side.
Can you say the same?
Quote from: Siege on May 08, 2009, 02:40:11 AM
Quote from: katmai on May 08, 2009, 02:39:02 AM
Hmmm so far my only experience on languish with USANG is Hans....
Who is far beyond awesome!
So true... but in which direction?
Quote
The RIGHT side.
Can you say the same?
I think we prefer the LEFT one, thank you...
I prefer to keep citizens and soldiers seperate.
Quote from: Siege on May 08, 2009, 03:20:46 AM
Quote from: Viking on May 08, 2009, 02:59:31 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 08, 2009, 02:33:36 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 08, 2009, 02:19:43 AM
I was a citizen soldier thanks to conscription (or "citizens in uniform" as we call them in Germany). Do you respect me? :)
Of course I do.
I ask no more than to do your duty for your country.
If your country is on my side of The Long War, of course.
Who's side are you on?
The RIGHT side.
Can you say the same?
I'm on the right side (as oppose to left) of Norwegian politics.
Quote from: Siege on May 08, 2009, 03:20:46 AM
The RIGHT side.
Can you say the same?
You know most of the muslims we fight are extreme rightists. Religious conservatives and the like.
I was in the Royal Guard. War is our profession.
Quote from: The Brain on May 08, 2009, 04:32:22 PM
I was in the Royal Guard. War is our profession.
Grumbler served in the Praetorian Guard.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 08, 2009, 04:56:01 PM
Quote from: The Brain on May 08, 2009, 04:32:22 PM
I was in the Royal Guard. War is our profession.
Grumbler served in the Praetorian Guard.
They sucked cock.
This song pisses me off every time I see it. <_<
Quote from: Alcibiades on May 08, 2009, 05:19:38 PM
This song pisses me off every time I see it. <_<
Yeah I'm not a fan of it either.
Shitty thing is at the movie theater I frequent they play the music video before every movie.
Quote from: Alcibiades on May 08, 2009, 05:19:38 PM
This song pisses me off every time I see it. <_<
Why? I mean it sucks but that is not a reason to get pissed off.
A vacation in a foreign land
Uncle Sam does the best he can
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
Now you remember what the draftsman said
Nothing to do all day but stay in bed
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
You be the hero of the neighborhood
Nobody knows that you left for good
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
Smiling faces as you wait to land
But once you get there no one gives a damn
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
Hand grenades flying over your head
Missiles flying over your head
If you want to survive get out of bed
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
Shots ring out in the dad of night
The sergeant calls (stand up and fight)
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
You've got your orders better shoot on sight
Your finger's on the trigger
But it don't seem right
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
Night is falling and you just can't see
Is this illusion or reality
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
Quote from: Martinus on May 08, 2009, 06:08:15 PM
Shots ring out in the dad of night
Younger and Older scene?
Quote from: The Brain on May 08, 2009, 04:57:20 PM
They sucked cock.
But we didn't inhale! :contract:
Quote from: FunkMonk on May 08, 2009, 05:23:38 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on May 08, 2009, 05:19:38 PM
This song pisses me off every time I see it. <_<
Yeah I'm not a fan of it either.
Shitty thing is at the movie theater I frequent they play the music video before every movie.
Same at my local VA theater. Worse is having to watch it several times because I get there early for good seats.
Quote from: Martinus on May 08, 2009, 06:08:15 PM
A vacation in a foreign land
Uncle Sam does the best he can
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
Now you remember what the draftsman said
Nothing to do all day but stay in bed
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
You be the hero of the neighborhood
Nobody knows that you left for good
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
Smiling faces as you wait to land
But once you get there no one gives a damn
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
Hand grenades flying over your head
Missiles flying over your head
If you want to survive get out of bed
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
Shots ring out in the dad of night
The sergeant calls (stand up and fight)
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
You've got your orders better shoot on sight
Your finger's on the trigger
But it don't seem right
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
Night is falling and you just can't see
Is this illusion or reality
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
Sounds a lot like a cadence we did in basic. :yes:
Quote from: Alcibiades on May 08, 2009, 09:19:55 PM
Sounds a lot like a cadence we did in basic. :yes:
Sounds like a terrible cadence.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 08, 2009, 07:32:20 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 08, 2009, 03:20:46 AM
The RIGHT side.
Can you say the same?
You know most of the muslims we fight are extreme rightists. Religious conservatives and the like.
Left and right are flawed enough descriptors when dealing with Western people, when talking about Osama, Hu, Ahmedinijad or Mugabe they're downright meaningless.
Quote from: Siege on May 08, 2009, 02:33:36 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 08, 2009, 02:19:43 AM
I was a citizen soldier thanks to conscription (or "citizens in uniform" as we call them in Germany). Do you respect me? :)
Of course I do.
I ask no more than to do your duty for your country.
If your country is on my side of The Long War, of course.
Cool, do the 15 months of civil service in a kindergarten for physically and mentally challenged kids I did as a conscientious objector count as well then?
Quote from: syk on May 09, 2009, 05:45:12 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 08, 2009, 02:33:36 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 08, 2009, 02:19:43 AM
I was a citizen soldier thanks to conscription (or "citizens in uniform" as we call them in Germany). Do you respect me? :)
Of course I do.
I ask no more than to do your duty for your country.
If your country is on my side of The Long War, of course.
Cool, do the 15 months of civil service in a kindergarten for physically and mentally challenged kids I did as a conscientious objector count as well then?
Knowing Siege it will make you worse than a communist gay muslim. :(
Quote from: syk on May 09, 2009, 05:45:12 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 08, 2009, 02:33:36 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 08, 2009, 02:19:43 AM
I was a citizen soldier thanks to conscription (or "citizens in uniform" as we call them in Germany). Do you respect me? :)
Of course I do.
I ask no more than to do your duty for your country.
If your country is on my side of The Long War, of course.
Cool, do the 15 months of civil service in a kindergarten for physically and mentally challenged kids I did as a conscientious objector count as well then?
Surely you've been on Languish longer than 15 months?
Quote from: The Brain on May 09, 2009, 06:51:10 AM
Quote from: syk on May 09, 2009, 05:45:12 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 08, 2009, 02:33:36 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 08, 2009, 02:19:43 AM
I was a citizen soldier thanks to conscription (or "citizens in uniform" as we call them in Germany). Do you respect me? :)
Of course I do.
I ask no more than to do your duty for your country.
If your country is on my side of The Long War, of course.
Cool, do the 15 months of civil service in a kindergarten for physically and mentally challenged kids I did as a conscientious objector count as well then?
Surely you've been on Languish longer than 15 months?
:lol:
What is a councious? And how do you call to it?
Quote from: The Brain on May 09, 2009, 06:51:10 AM
Quote from: syk on May 09, 2009, 05:45:12 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 08, 2009, 02:33:36 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 08, 2009, 02:19:43 AM
I was a citizen soldier thanks to conscription (or "citizens in uniform" as we call them in Germany). Do you respect me? :)
Of course I do.
I ask no more than to do your duty for your country.
If your country is on my side of The Long War, of course.
Cool, do the 15 months of civil service in a kindergarten for physically and mentally challenged kids I did as a conscientious objector count as well then?
Surely you've been on Languish longer than 15 months?
:lol:
Quote from: Strix on May 09, 2009, 08:29:23 AM
What is a councious? And how do you call to it?
In Germany you can object to the mandatory military service for conscientious reasons. You need to send in a CV and a letter stating your reasons why you possibly couldn't do a military service. These reasons can be all sorts of things. I bet
thou shalt not kill and other matters of faith are regulary used for that. Maybe personal reasons like traumas from being exposed to violence or whatever. I wrote mine the day after watching Stalingrad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalingrad_(film)) and even used it as a reason for it as it gave me the pictures to the stories my grandpa used to tell me when I was little. Well that and a few other more personal things like rather doing something meaningful instead of joining the Bundeswehr in 1994 with the biggest threat being a Polish invasion.
This letter goes to a few judges who are then deciding if you are accepted and can do a civil service instead (which is typically longer than the military service, for me it was 15 instead of 12 months.) In case your statements suck too much you'd have to go to a hearing to clarify your statement, with a good possibility to be drafted after all.
Quotewith the biggest threat being a Polish invasion.
Yeah, drop your guard. Do you want a wave of Marti's invading the Fatherland?
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 09, 2009, 09:06:49 AM
Quotewith the biggest threat being a Polish invasion.
Yeah, drop your guard. Do you want a wave of Marti's invading the Fatherland?
They'd want just the same as the Russians, reach Cologne as quick as they can. :lol:
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I weep for Germany.
Quote from: syk on May 09, 2009, 09:02:28 AM
In Germany you can object to the mandatory military service for conscientious reasons. You need to send in a CV and a letter stating your reasons why you possibly couldn't do a military service. These reasons can be all sorts of things. I bet thou shalt not kill and other matters of faith are regulary used for that. Maybe personal reasons like traumas from being exposed to violence or whatever. I wrote mine the day after watching Stalingrad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalingrad_(film)) and even used it as a reason for it as it gave me the pictures to the stories my grandpa used to tell me when I was little. Well that and a few other more personal things like rather doing something meaningful instead of joining the Bundeswehr in 1994 with the biggest threat being a Polish invasion.
This letter goes to a few judges who are then deciding if you are accepted and can do a civil service instead (which is typically longer than the military service, for me it was 15 instead of 12 months.) In case your statements suck too much you'd have to go to a hearing to clarify your statement, with a good possibility to be drafted after all.
Pst...I was making fun of his spelling. <_<
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 09, 2009, 09:12:33 AM
I weep for Germany.
Ah well, as a nurse I'd be drafted to work in a military hospital anyways. And the biggest threat to national security are retards. Been fighting on that front since 1995.
Quote from: syk on May 09, 2009, 09:23:52 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 09, 2009, 09:12:33 AM
I weep for Germany.
Ah well, as a nurse I'd be drafted to work in a military hospital anyways. And the biggest threat to national security are retards. Been fighting on that front since 1995.
I was talking about the homo flag. THEY ARE EVERYWHERE. :P
Not in Iran. :cool:
Quote from: Iormlund on May 09, 2009, 09:34:53 AM
Not in Iran. :cool:
Persia will hold back the tide. Unless Greeks lead it.
I've said too much. :zipped:
Syk, you are a fucking pussy.
Shame on you.
It is easy to enjoy freedom, when other people protect those freedoms.
Shame on you, bitch.
*grabs popcorn*
This could be fun.
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:14:39 AM
Syk, you are a fucking pussy.
Shame on you.
It is easy to enjoy freedom, when other people protect those freedoms.
Shame on you, bitch.
Who is gonna look after your inbred children? Who is gonna take care of YOUR traumatized butt?
OK, ;et me put it this way.
In the military, we need everybody.
From the cook to the supply guy.
However, the question is, why would you want to be anything less than infantry?
Quote from: syk on May 10, 2009, 01:24:48 AM
Who is gonna look after your inbred children?
Psst: Wrong question in Siege's case. ;)
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:27:00 AM
OK, ;et me put it this way.
In the military, we need everybody.
From the cook to the supply guy.
However, the question is, why would you want to be anything less than infantry?
'cause they don't want to get shot at?
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:27:00 AM
OK, ;et me put it this way.
In the military, we need everybody.
From the cook to the supply guy.
However, the question is, why would you want to be anything less than infantry?
Because I prefer not to kill people but to help them. You have the choice of killing your opponent. I don't. And as I stated before, in case of a defense scenario I would be drafted anyways, objector or not. Nobody can force me to touch a gun though.
Quote from: Viking on May 10, 2009, 01:30:12 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:27:00 AM
OK, ;et me put it this way.
In the military, we need everybody.
From the cook to the supply guy.
However, the question is, why would you want to be anything less than infantry?
'cause they don't want to get shot at?
That's so unmanly.
I can't even understand what culture you come from.
Quote from: Syt on May 10, 2009, 01:28:11 AM
Quote from: syk on May 10, 2009, 01:24:48 AM
Who is gonna look after your inbred children?
Psst: Wrong question in Siege's case. ;)
Wow, that's quite the assist for some extreme mischief. I will however pass on this opportunity ;)
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:32:12 AM
Quote from: Viking on May 10, 2009, 01:30:12 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:27:00 AM
OK, ;et me put it this way.
In the military, we need everybody.
From the cook to the supply guy.
However, the question is, why would you want to be anything less than infantry?
'cause they don't want to get shot at?
That's so unmanly.
I can't even understand what culture you come from.
What would your reaction be if someone said to you "your mom has a penis"?
Quote from: syk on May 10, 2009, 01:30:21 AM
Because I prefer not to kill people but to help them. You have the choice of killing your opponent. I don't. And as I stated before, in case of a defense scenario I would be drafted anyways, objector or not. Nobody can force me to touch a gun though.
Hahaha, you prefer to help "people"?
Do you even understand the threat that islamic fundamentalism is?
I would love to see you helping a people that wants to kill you.
You are absolutely nothing to a muslim. You are less than a dhinmi, because you are not even paying them.
You are nothing.
You think you have an option to "not touch a gun" because you feel superior to them, and because you are expecting your brothers to pick up your slack.
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:39:30 AM
You think you have an option to "not touch a gun" because you feel superior to them, and because you are expecting your brothers to pick up your slack.
Sure, we have individuals like you who would be otherwise useless to society, to fill that role. :)
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:39:30 AM
You think you have an option to "not touch a gun" because you feel superior to them, and because you are expecting your brothers to pick up your slack.
I am not suprior to soldiers, not at all. They do a necessary job. I do a necessary job. For me it was a conscious decision to not become one and do something to actually help people. I served my country without having any problem with that.
Quote from: garbon on May 10, 2009, 01:40:35 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:39:30 AM
You think you have an option to "not touch a gun" because you feel superior to them, and because you are expecting your brothers to pick up your slack.
Sure, we have individuals like you who would be otherwise useless to society, to fill that role. :)
Shut up, Garbon. I was talking about germany.
They don't get israeli uber-soldiers as inmigrants.
You can count yourself lucky that I am here to pick up your slack.
Quote from: syk on May 10, 2009, 01:42:58 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:39:30 AM
You think you have an option to "not touch a gun" because you feel superior to them, and because you are expecting your brothers to pick up your slack.
I am not suprior to soldiers, not at all. They do a necessary job. I do a necessary job. For me it was a conscious decision to not become one and do something to actually help people. I served my country without having any problem with that.
Ok, you served your country.
That's good enough for me.
I understand that not everybody is cut out to be infantry.
Fair enough.
I was out of line.
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:48:17 AM
Quote from: syk on May 10, 2009, 01:42:58 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:39:30 AM
You think you have an option to "not touch a gun" because you feel superior to them, and because you are expecting your brothers to pick up your slack.
I am not suprior to soldiers, not at all. They do a necessary job. I do a necessary job. For me it was a conscious decision to not become one and do something to actually help people. I served my country without having any problem with that.
Ok, you served your country.
That's good enough for me.
I understand that not everybody is cut out to be infantry.
Fair enough.
I was out of line.
You couldn't do my job either. Fair enough.
Quote from: syk on May 10, 2009, 01:50:09 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:48:17 AM
Quote from: syk on May 10, 2009, 01:42:58 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:39:30 AM
You think you have an option to "not touch a gun" because you feel superior to them, and because you are expecting your brothers to pick up your slack.
I am not suprior to soldiers, not at all. They do a necessary job. I do a necessary job. For me it was a conscious decision to not become one and do something to actually help people. I served my country without having any problem with that.
Ok, you served your country.
That's good enough for me.
I understand that not everybody is cut out to be infantry.
Fair enough.
I was out of line.
You couldn't do my job either. Fair enough.
Well, I have CLS training (Combat Life Saver)...
Ok, its not the same thing that you do, but I can stabilize a cassualty until the medevac gets there.
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:48:17 AM
I understand that not everybody is cut out to be infantry.
Indeed. The smart ones go to artillery. :P
Quote from: Syt on May 10, 2009, 01:55:38 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:48:17 AM
I understand that not everybody is cut out to be infantry.
Indeed. The smart ones go to artillery. :P
And get deft by shooting 155mm rounds.
And besides, how can they live with themselves knowing that they could have done so much more?
I understand people that cannot make the cut, but guys that are fit and strong?
Give me a break.
I will never be able to understand that.
We are in danger everyday of our lives.
More people die in car accidents back here at home than at war.
I can't really understand cowardice.
It makes no rational sense.
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:53:14 AM
Quote from: syk on May 10, 2009, 01:50:09 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:48:17 AM
Quote from: syk on May 10, 2009, 01:42:58 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:39:30 AM
You think you have an option to "not touch a gun" because you feel superior to them, and because you are expecting your brothers to pick up your slack.
I am not suprior to soldiers, not at all. They do a necessary job. I do a necessary job. For me it was a conscious decision to not become one and do something to actually help people. I served my country without having any problem with that.
Ok, you served your country.
That's good enough for me.
I understand that not everybody is cut out to be infantry.
Fair enough.
I was out of line.
You couldn't do my job either. Fair enough.
Well, I have CLS training (Combat Life Saver)...
Ok, its not the same thing that you do, but I can stabilize a cassualty until the medevac gets there.
That's just the smallest part of my job and I only took part in CPRs a handful of times myself. Next difference is, you're ranged, I'm melee. Glad that part is only slightly bigger than actual life saving measures.
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:37:05 AM
I would love to see you helping a people that wants to kill you.
:lol: Just saw that gem. For the fixed version: Been there, done that, got several t-shirts.
Quote from: syk on May 10, 2009, 02:10:21 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:37:05 AM
I would love to see you helping a people that wants to kill you.
:lol: Just saw that gem. For the fixed version: Been there, done that, got several t-shirts.
No you haven't.
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 02:04:01 AM
I understand people that cannot make the cut, but guys that are fit and strong?
They are the ones that load the rounds into the howitzers.
Mind you, we were a recon outfit attached to an arty unit. Our teams would sit in the forest to provide sound/visual (flash) intel on enemy arty positions. Those time delays between sound reports from different positions would be triangulated (with help of weather data) into the approx. position of the enemy guns. Of course these days our unit of 8 recon teams, plus surveyors (I was one of those), plus weather team are replaced by one or two COBRA vehicles:
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Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 02:14:14 AM
Quote from: syk on May 10, 2009, 02:10:21 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:37:05 AM
I would love to see you helping a people that wants to kill you.
:lol: Just saw that gem. For the fixed version: Been there, done that, got several t-shirts.
No you haven't.
Whatever you say tough guy.
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That's just the smallest part of my job and I only took part in CPRs a handful of times myself. Next difference is, you're ranged, I'm melee. Glad that part is only slightly bigger than actual life saving measures.
You are not melee, heh. And infantry is not 'ranged'.
To close with and destroy the enemy is our job description.
The Infantryman's Creed
I am the Infantry.
I am my country's strength in war,
her deterrent in peace.
I am the heart of the fight-
wherever, whenever.
I carry America's faith and honor
against her enemies.
I am the Queen of Battle.
I am what my country expects me to be-
the best trained soldier in the world.
In the race for victory,
I am swift, determined, and courageous,
armed with a fierce will to win.
Never will I fail my country's trust.
Always I fight on-
through the foe,
to the objective,
to triumph over all.
If necessary, I fight to my death.
By my steadfast courage,
I have won 200 years of freedom.
I yield not-
to weakness,
to hunger,
to cowardice,
to fatigue,
to superior odds,
for I am mentally tough,physically strong,
and morally straight.
I forsake not-
my country,
my mission,
my comrades,
my sacred duty.
I am relentless.
I am always there,
now and forever.
I AM THE INFANTRY!
FOLLOW ME!
...All that guts and glory stuff...or something heh.
That's why I joined the infantry....couldn't do something like a cook, or intel....too much pride and wanted to actually DO something... eh ya know.
:P
Quote from: Alcibiades on May 10, 2009, 04:04:37 AM
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That's just the smallest part of my job and I only took part in CPRs a handful of times myself. Next difference is, you're ranged, I'm melee. Glad that part is only slightly bigger than actual life saving measures.
You are not melee, heh. And infantry is not 'ranged'.
To close with and destroy the enemy is our job description.
*schnipp*
...All that guts and glory stuff...or something heh.
That's why I joined the infantry....couldn't do something like a cook, or intel....too much pride and wanted to actually DO something... eh ya know.
:P
Thanks for taking on the melee bit. I always thought I had a combat job. :rolleyes: The MMO wording was there for a reason. :P
Seriously, it's cool to take pride in your job. Maybe Siege will catch my drift once he's cracked to a degree his projection and defensive manliness won't work anymore.
Quote from: syk on May 10, 2009, 04:14:20 AM
Thanks for taking on the melee bit. I always thought I had a combat job. :rolleyes: The MMO wording was there for a reason. :P
Seriously, it's cool to take pride in your job. Maybe Siege will catch my drift once he's cracked to a degree his projection and defensive manliness won't work anymore.
Sorry, im slightly intoxicated, so the subtleties fall short of me tonight. I apologize.
And the reason we take pride in our jobs is because it's all we
can get from our particular job in the military really.. Kinda sucks.
"Let us be clear about three facts: First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." -Field Marshal Earl Wavell
"I love the infantry because they are the underdogs. They are the mud-rain-frost-and-wind boys. They have no comforts, and they even learn to live without the necessities. And in the end they are the guys that wars can't be won without." -Ernie Pyle
"I'm convinced that the infantry is the group in the army which gives more and gets less than anybody else." - Bill Mauldin, Up Front (1945)(bolded for truth, unfortunately)
"Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime. Ask the infantry and ask the dead." -Hemingway
"The army's infantry is its most essential component. Even today, no army can take and hold any ground without the use of infantry." -George Nafziger
'"We are the boys who will go to a particular place, at H-hour, occupy a designated terrain, stand on it, dig the enemy out of their holes, force them then and there to surrender or die. We're the bloody infantry, the doughboy, the duckfoot, the foot soldier who goes where the enemy is and takes them on in person. We've been doing it, with changes in weapons but very little change in our trade, at least since the time five thousand years ago when the foot sloggers of Sargon the Great forced the Sumerians to cry "Uncle!" - Robert A. Heinlein
Pride's all we have, heh.
Why don't you two just take them out and measure them?
Quote from: Alcibiades on May 10, 2009, 04:04:37 AM
You are not melee, heh. And infantry is not 'ranged'.
Keep your bayonet with you at all times, eh? :P
QuoteI am the Queen of Battle.
ghey
Quote from: syk on May 10, 2009, 01:24:48 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:14:39 AM
Syk, you are a fucking pussy.
Shame on you.
It is easy to enjoy freedom, when other people protect those freedoms.
Shame on you, bitch.
Who is gonna look after your inbred children? Who is gonna take care of YOUR traumatized butt?
Siege will have no children, because Jahweh has stricken him barren.
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:32:12 AM
I can't even understand what culture you come from.
Then you can understand how we feel about you and the rest of Arabs.
Quote from: Syt on May 10, 2009, 01:55:38 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:48:17 AM
I understand that not everybody is cut out to be infantry.
Indeed. The smart ones go to artillery. :P
I have an Israeli friend who is an artillery reservist. He thinks people like Siegy are the blight of the country.
Quote from: Alcibiades on May 10, 2009, 04:04:37 AM
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That's just the smallest part of my job and I only took part in CPRs a handful of times myself. Next difference is, you're ranged, I'm melee. Glad that part is only slightly bigger than actual life saving measures.
You are not melee, heh. And infantry is not 'ranged'.
To close with and destroy the enemy is our job description.
The Infantryman's Creed
I am the Infantry.
I am my country's strength in war,
her deterrent in peace.
I am the heart of the fight-
wherever, whenever.
I carry America's faith and honor
against her enemies.
I am the Queen of Battle.
I am what my country expects me to be-
the best trained soldier in the world.
In the race for victory,
I am swift, determined, and courageous,
armed with a fierce will to win.
Never will I fail my country's trust.
Always I fight on-
through the foe,
to the objective,
to triumph over all.
If necessary, I fight to my death.
By my steadfast courage,
I have won 200 years of freedom.
I yield not-
to weakness,
to hunger,
to cowardice,
to fatigue,
to superior odds,
for I am mentally tough,physically strong,
and morally straight.
I forsake not-
my country,
my mission,
my comrades,
my sacred duty.
I am relentless.
I am always there,
now and forever.
I AM THE INFANTRY!
FOLLOW ME!
...All that guts and glory stuff...or something heh.
That's why I joined the infantry....couldn't do something like a cook, or intel....too much pride and wanted to actually DO something... eh ya know.
:P
Could the military hire better authors next time? This style is dreadful.
Edit: Also,
Queen of Battle? Wtf? :blink:
Quote from: The Brain on May 10, 2009, 04:26:04 AM
Why don't you two just take them out and measure them?
Don't diss the Queens of Battle and their Pride.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 10, 2009, 04:37:14 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on May 10, 2009, 04:04:37 AM
You are not melee, heh. And infantry is not 'ranged'.
Keep your bayonet with you at all times, eh? :P
QuoteI am the Queen of Battle.
ghey
I bet Siegy doesn't even know how to manage his aggro.
It's chess, morons. :lol:
Particularly enjoyed a tanker arguing with us once who claimed, " Yeah well you may be the queens of battle...but tankers are the kings of battle!!!1" :rolleyes:
Quote from: Martinus on May 10, 2009, 05:36:37 AM
Don't diss the Queens of Battle and their Pride.
Obama will dismiss them, however.
Quote from: Alcibiades on May 10, 2009, 12:25:27 PM
It's chess, morons. :lol:
LOL in that case you are definitely NOT queens. You are pawns. Cannon-fodder.
Quote from: Martinus on May 10, 2009, 01:11:50 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on May 10, 2009, 12:25:27 PM
It's chess, morons. :lol:
LOL in that case you are definitely NOT queens. You are pawns. Cannon-fodder.
Well you're obviously a troll and a moron. Nothing new there, though. :lmfao:
I'd remove the cannon-fodder bit but yeah, sounds spot on, otherwise.
Prawns.
Then you both show your ignorance of the military.
Or perhaps you are a bit uppity, eh?
Quote from: garbon on May 10, 2009, 01:47:51 PM
Or perhaps you are a bit uppity, eh?
That's fresh coming from you. :lol:
Quote from: Alcibiades on May 10, 2009, 02:52:48 PM
That's fresh coming from you. :lol:
Oh so now you are getting racist? <_<
Quote from: garbon on May 10, 2009, 03:02:24 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on May 10, 2009, 02:52:48 PM
That's fresh coming from you. :lol:
Oh so now you are getting racist? <_<
Nobody knows what race you are. You keep switching.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 10, 2009, 03:36:48 PM
Nobody knows what race you are. You keep switching.
You're a few years out of date. :(
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:27:00 AM
However, the question is, why would you want to be anything less than infantry?
There is nothing less than infantry. Infantry is the most useless, helpless form of military.
Quote from: Martinus on May 10, 2009, 05:30:51 AM
I have an Israeli friend who is an artillery reservist. He thinks people like Siegy are the blight of the country.
Israeli gays aren't any better than Siegebreaker.
Quote from: Neil on May 10, 2009, 05:41:18 PM
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:27:00 AM
However, the question is, why would you want to be anything less than infantry?
There is nothing less than infantry. Infantry is the most useless, helpless form of military.
I disagree, one will always need infantry if one wishes to hold ground one has taken.
Quote from: Neil on May 10, 2009, 05:41:18 PM
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:27:00 AM
However, the question is, why would you want to be anything less than infantry?
There is nothing less than infantry. Infantry is the most useless, helpless form of military.
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We need more penal battalions, filled with emos, anime and manga fans and bloggers.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 10, 2009, 05:46:01 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 10, 2009, 05:41:18 PM
Quote from: Siege on May 10, 2009, 01:27:00 AM
However, the question is, why would you want to be anything less than infantry?
There is nothing less than infantry. Infantry is the most useless, helpless form of military.
I disagree, one will always need infantry if one wishes to hold ground one has taken.
Holding ground is immoral and inefficient. You're thinking of an archaic style of warfare.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 10, 2009, 06:11:11 PM
We need more penal battalions, filled with emos, anime and manga fans and bloggers.
Give guns and training to society's dregs? That's a terrible idea.
Then again, that's what they do today. Hyuk hyuk.
Quote from: Martinus on May 10, 2009, 05:30:51 AM
I have an Israeli friend who is an artillery reservist. He thinks people like Siegy are the blight of the country.
We all know what the arabs think of the Jews.
Quote from: Alcibiades on May 10, 2009, 04:04:37 AM
You are not melee, heh. And infantry is not 'ranged'.
To close with and destroy the enemy is our job description.
The Infantryman's Creed
The PSYOP Creed:
Throughout history, in war and peace, I have played many roles.
I am inspiration.
I am motivation.
I am intimidation.
I am deception.
I am...PSYOP.
I was the inspiration for Hannibal to take his elephants over the Alps.
I was the motivation in the words "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death" and "Remember the Alamo".
I was the intimidation of the sound of Gideon's trumpets.
I was the deception used against the Trojans.
I was and I am...PSYOP.
I rode with Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan and Sun Tsu.
I saw action in both World Wars and in Korea and Vietnam.
I helped bring a speedy victory in Just Cause and Desert Storm.
I brought the hope of peace to Haiti, Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo and Afghanistan
I was and I am...PSYOP.
I was the "talking tanks" asking the Nazi soldiers, "why die for a lost cause?"
I was the leaflet which told the Japanese to "Cease Resistance".
I was the Commando Solo broadcasts to the Taliban warning them that,
"we will destroy those who harbor terrorism.
I was and I am...PSYOP.
I bring the light of truth where before lay the darkness of lies.
I deliver hope to those who are in despair.
I bring fear to those who believe their actions are without consequence.
I was and I am...PSYOP.
I am that voice that tells the enemy to surrender or die.
I am the shadow of doubt that makes the enemy question their actions.
I am that power of influence that despots despise.
I was and I am...PSYOP.
I am the broadcast of reason over radio, television and loudspeaker.
I am the light of truth in print media, leaflet, newspaper, handbill or poster.
I am the force multiplier that wins my country's wars.
I was, I am and I will forever remain...PSYOP.
Quote from: Hansmeister on May 10, 2009, 11:27:16 PM
The PSYOP Creed:
Throughout history, in war and peace, I have played many roles.
I am inspiration.
I am motivation.
I am intimidation.
I am deception.
I am...PSYOP.
I was the inspiration for Hannibal to take his elephants over the Alps.
I was the motivation in the words "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death" and "Remember the Alamo".
I was the intimidation of the sound of Gideon's trumpets.
I was the deception used against the Trojans.
I was and I am...PSYOP.
I rode with Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan and Sun Tsu.
I saw action in both World Wars and in Korea and Vietnam.
I helped bring a speedy victory in Just Cause and Desert Storm.
I brought the hope of peace to Haiti, Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo and Afghanistan
I was and I am...PSYOP.
I was the "talking tanks" asking the Nazi soldiers, "why die for a lost cause?"
I was the leaflet which told the Japanese to "Cease Resistance".
I was the Commando Solo broadcasts to the Taliban warning them that,
"we will destroy those who harbor terrorism.
I was and I am...PSYOP.
I bring the light of truth where before lay the darkness of lies.
I deliver hope to those who are in despair.
I bring fear to those who believe their actions are without consequence.
I was and I am...PSYOP.
I am that voice that tells the enemy to surrender or die.
I am the shadow of doubt that makes the enemy question their actions.
I am that power of influence that despots despise.
I was and I am...PSYOP.
I am the broadcast of reason over radio, television and loudspeaker.
I am the light of truth in print media, leaflet, newspaper, handbill or poster.
I am the force multiplier that wins my country's wars.
I was, I am and I will forever remain...PSYOP.
That creed is terrible.
To pick out a few especially egregious parts:
Quote from: Hansmeister on May 10, 2009, 11:27:16 PM
I brought the hope of peace to Haiti, Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo and Afghanistan
Maybe someone should edit out Haiti and Somalia. I don't know if Blackhawk Down is really the legacy PsyOps wants to be remembered for.
Quote from: Hansmeister on May 10, 2009, 11:27:16 PM
I was the leaflet which told the Japanese to "Cease Resistance".
Unless your "leaflet" was a nuclear bomb, your leaflets were incredible failures. The Japanese in WWII are infamous for fighting to the last, at least until the nuclear bombs.
Infantryman's Creed >> PsyOps Creed.
Hans, you guys really need to rewrite that thing.
Quote from: Alcibiades on May 10, 2009, 12:25:27 PM
It's chess, morons. :lol:
Particularly enjoyed a tanker arguing with us once who claimed, " Yeah well you may be the queens of battle...but tankers are the kings of battle!!!1" :rolleyes:
Ok, first the analogy is bad. Even in a military like the US with as much training and as much emphasis on low casualties as we have(the slider turned all the way to quality as it were :nerd:), the loss of an infantry soldier will not hurt the war effort like the loss of a pilot or a general.
Second, you call yourself a queen, you're gonna take guff for it. Dem's the rules. :contract:
God damn Siege, give it a rest. We get it, you're a barbarian who has a hard-on for killing Muslims.
Quote from: alfred russel on May 10, 2009, 11:41:57 PM
Unless your "leaflet" was a nuclear bomb, your leaflets were incredible failures. The Japanese in WWII are infamous for fighting to the last, at least until the nuclear bombs.
I *think* those leaflets were dropped after the surrender.
Quote from: alfred russel on May 10, 2009, 11:41:57 PM
Infantryman's Creed >> PsyOps Creed.
Agree. The Infantryman's Creed is juvenile and absurd (you don't get to name
yourself the "Queen of the Battlefield," and everyone but the infantry knows that artillery was the first and remains the only "Queen of the Battlefield") but the Pyscho Creed is dumber and even lamer.
QuoteHans, you guys really need to rewrite that thing.
Disagree. Creeds are for the credulous, and anyone credulous enough to think
a creed is "cool" will think that
this creed is "cool." When you are talking credulous, you aren't talking about the sharpest tools in the shed.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 11, 2009, 07:09:43 AM
I *think* those leaflets were dropped after the surrender.
Which leaflets are you referring to? Insofar as I know, once the Emperor order a halt to resistance, resistance halted as soon as people got the word. I've never heard of a US leaflet drop post-surrender that had any impact on Japan's lack of postwar resistance.
Quote from: grumbler on May 11, 2009, 08:32:36 AM
Which leaflets are you referring to? Insofar as I know, once the Emperor order a halt to resistance, resistance halted as soon as people got the word. I've never heard of a US leaflet drop post-surrender that had any impact on Japan's lack of postwar resistance.
The leaflets that got people the word that the Emperor had ordered a halt to resistance.
Quote from: alfred russel on May 10, 2009, 11:41:57 PM
Hans, you guys really need to rewrite that thing.
Is it irony that the psyops creed is so terrible?
Quote from: Berkut on May 11, 2009, 08:48:46 AM
Is it irony that the psyops creed is so terrible?
That's why it's so tough winning hearts and minds :o
You don't need Psyops, you need Simon Cowell and a few ad men.
Quote from: Berkut on May 11, 2009, 08:48:46 AM
Is it irony that the psyops creed is so terrible?
I don't know about irony, but it is about par with Hans' ability to persuade anyone of anything.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 10, 2009, 11:51:41 PM
Ok, first the analogy is bad. Even in a military like the US with as much training and as much emphasis on low casualties as we have(the slider turned all the way to quality as it were :nerd:), the loss of an infantry soldier will not hurt the war effort like the loss of a pilot or a general.
Second, you call yourself a queen, you're gonna take guff for it. Dem's the rules. :contract:
Agreed on all.
Quote from: grumbler on May 11, 2009, 08:26:23 AM
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Agree. The Infantryman's Creed is juvenile and absurd (you don't get to name yourself the "Queen of the Battlefield," and everyone but the infantry knows that artillery was the first and remains the only "Queen of the Battlefield") but the Pyscho Creed is dumber and even lamer.
The artillery is considered/consider themselves the 'King of battle'.
What ever you say, grumbs. :)
Quote from: Neil on May 10, 2009, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 10, 2009, 06:11:11 PM
We need more penal battalions, filled with emos, anime and manga fans and bloggers.
Give guns and training to society's dregs? That's a terrible idea.
Then again, that's what they do today. Hyuk hyuk.
Mosin-Nagant and 5 rounds. That solves that.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 11, 2009, 09:30:50 AM
Quote from: Neil on May 10, 2009, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 10, 2009, 06:11:11 PM
We need more penal battalions, filled with emos, anime and manga fans and bloggers.
Give guns and training to society's dregs? That's a terrible idea.
Then again, that's what they do today. Hyuk hyuk.
Mosin-Nagant and 5 rounds. That solves that.
Still, some of them will probably live. It makes more sense for them to be declared animals and then have them disassembled for transplant organs, used as test subjects or simply burned as fuel.
The Siegebreakers of the world make fine disposble troops.
Quote from: alfred russel on May 10, 2009, 11:41:57 PM
Infantryman's Creed >> PsyOps Creed.
Hans, you guys really need to rewrite that thing.
Most Army creeds & whatnot are lame IMO, to the point of making me cringe when I first heard them. Fortunately, there were enough cool cadences to make me forget about them.
Plus, I always thought the General Orders were kinda cool-- dunno why, though.
Please tell me there is no PSYOPS creed.
Creeds :rolleyes:
Citizen Soldier, Dead Memories....something tells me Siege discovered Clear Channel Nu-Rock!
Quote from: derspiess on May 11, 2009, 11:05:09 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 10, 2009, 11:41:57 PM
Infantryman's Creed >> PsyOps Creed.
Hans, you guys really need to rewrite that thing.
Most Army creeds & whatnot are lame IMO, to the point of making me cringe when I first heard them. Fortunately, there were enough cool cadences to make me forget about them.
Plus, I always thought the General Orders were kinda cool-- dunno why, though.
The general orders?
Are you out of your mind?
They have written "boring peace-time army" all over them.
Let me see if I remember then right out of my mind:
1- I will guard eveything within the limits of my post, and only quit my post when properly relieved.
2- I will obey my special orders and perform all my duties in a military manner.
3- I will report violations, emergencies, and anything not covered by my orders to the commander of the relieve.