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Nope, never cheated;  didn't have to.  I knew I was bad in math; why pretend?

But you better believe I ratted motherfuckers out.

Never did any major cheating.  There were some gray areas here & there, but nothing worth mentioning.

And I never turned anyone in-- I figured it would catch up to them eventually.

Nope never cheated, and ain't no snitch like Seedy.

Define "cheat". :)

I cheated a small bit in high school.  I don't think I cheated in any of my couple years of college.

I did help other people cheat much more.  There is one kid who would have failed geology 101 if I didn't let him copy all of my test answers.  I remember he came from a very rich family, I might have to look him up.

Never.  Never saw anyone cheat either.

Quote from: Caliga on May 31, 2012, 05:19:48 PM
Define "cheat". :)

Tell me what you did and I'll tell you where it falls.

Cheated once, but felt bad about it and never did it again.

Quote from: katmai on May 31, 2012, 05:17:11 PM
Nope never cheated, and ain't no snitch like Seedy.

Hey, it was difficult enough to spend the time hating on the really smart kids, didn't have time to let the cheaters increase the pack.  So fuck 'em.

Only a couple of times in earth science junior high school class.  I really detested earth science, I was sitting in the back, and the teacher was not good at keeping control of the classroom, so it was pretty rowdy there.  That meant that I learned next to nothing in that class all year. 

My family just bought a bubble jet printer (which was the shit compared to dot matrix printers in vogue at the time), and it occured to me that this printer could print at a very fine resolution.  Before the tests, I would type out all the stuff I would need, shrink it to size 1 (MS Word couldn't do it, but WordPerfect could), and print a copy for myself and a couple of friends.  I did it more for the thrill of of it, and for the novelty of using technology to cheat more effectively, than to help myself.  Usually in the process of creating the cheating aids I would inadvertently commit to memory most of what I needed for the test.

The fun stopped when one asshole who I warred with all throughout junior high school stole one of my cheat sheets.  It was pretty common knowledge by that time that all my friends were being equipped with my cheat sheets, so he wanted one for himself.  I used my Ukrainian school training to beat the cheat sheet out of him, collected the cheat sheets from all my friends, and destroyed them before the asshole could narc us out.  That was the end of that glorious adventure.

I don't remember cheating, but there were probably some grey-area instances.  I guess I did let other people copy off of me if I was pressured to, but that was pretty much over by the time I started high school and its stratification in courses.

Quote from: DGuller on May 31, 2012, 05:40:15 PM
I really detested earth science,

WTF did igneous rocks ever do to you, man?

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Quote from: katmai on May 31, 2012, 05:17:11 PM
Nope never cheated, and ain't no snitch like Seedy.

Hey, it was difficult enough to spend the time hating on the really smart kids, didn't have time to let the cheaters increase the pack.  So fuck 'em.

See as one of the really smart kids i felt bad for the idiots who needed to cheat, you know like Caliga.  :)

What kinds of things do youse guys mean by gray areas?

Never cheated, but i've come really close to plagerizing a few times.

I've helped some people cheat. but only in high school.

*edit* and i guess doing single work in a group might count as cheating. if so, then yes, i've cheated.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 31, 2012, 05:46:55 PM
What kinds of things do youse guys mean by gray areas?

Maybe "accidentally" seeing the person in front of you's test answers without making any independent effort to.  That's actually the only one that comes to mind.  And that was really just for multiple choice tests.

Which really is cheating, just the kind you can get away with.

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Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 31, 2012, 05:38:24 PM

Quote from: katmai on May 31, 2012, 05:17:11 PM
Nope never cheated, and ain't no snitch like Seedy.

Hey, it was difficult enough to spend the time hating on the really smart kids, didn't have time to let the cheaters increase the pack.  So fuck 'em.

See as one of the really smart kids i felt bad for the idiots who needed to cheat, you know like Caliga.  :)

Yeah, see what happens? Cheat and you end up in management.  :D

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Quote from: katmai on May 31, 2012, 05:17:11 PM
Nope never cheated, and ain't no snitch like Seedy.

Hey, it was difficult enough to spend the time hating on the really smart kids, didn't have time to let the cheaters increase the pack.  So fuck 'em.

See as one of the really smart kids i felt bad for the idiots who needed to cheat, you know like Caliga.  :)

Yeah, see what happens? Cheat and you end up in management.  :D

Well as management you take credit for other peoples work, so i guess it really is just a continuation of school cheating :D

Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 31, 2012, 05:36:07 PM
Tell me what you did and I'll tell you where it falls.

I don't think I ever plagiarized anything nor copied anyone else's homework, but I usually didn't do any homework.  What I did instead was I kept a bunch of homework sheets and I would rotate through and doctor them daily so they looked 'new', so when teach came around to check our homework it looked like I'd done my homework when I actually didn't.

I also don't know if you would consider this cheating, but for my senior project I wrote a text advenuture game (think Zork, Planetfall, etc.) in Borland Turbo Pascal 6.  Although the story and puzzles were original, I 'borrowed' most of the parser from a friend of mine who had written a text adventure earlier, just for fun.  I did refine his parser a bit but the core design was essentially unchanged.  I failed to mention that I did this to the teacher.... she however failed to ask. :)

I cheated once on a test in high school that asked us to write down the page numbers that various quotes had come from. I just full on opened my textbook.  Pretty much everyone failed (I got a C) and the teacher threw out the test.

If aiding the cheaters counts, then I did lots of that as well.  I always told other people that they're welcome to cheat off me as much as they wanted, just as long as they didn't make me do anything to actively aid them.  It got a little ridiculous on BC Calculus final AP exam, though, when it seemed like there was a gravitational field right where I was sitting, and way too many combo desk-chairs seemed to converge around me.  I even had to turn down an offer of $50 for help in cheating, because I felt that would be crossing the line.

Quote from: Caliga on May 31, 2012, 06:03:17 PM
I don't think I ever plagiarized anything nor copied anyone else's homework, but I usually didn't do any homework.  What I did instead was I kept a bunch of homework sheets and I would rotate through and doctor them daily so they looked 'new', so when teach came around to check our homework it looked like I'd done my homework when I actually didn't.

This is not cheating.  It's rolling the dice.

QuoteI also don't know if you would consider this cheating, but for my senior project I wrote a text advenuture game (think Zork, Planetfall, etc.) in Borland Turbo Pascal 6.  Although the story and puzzles were original, I 'borrowed' most of the parser from a friend of mine who had written a text adventure earlier, just for fun.  I did refine his parser a bit but the core design was essentially unchanged.  I failed to mention that I did this to the teacher.... she however failed to ask. :)

This might or might not be cheating but I have no fucking idea what any of it means.

Quote from: katmai on May 31, 2012, 05:46:22 PM
See as one of the really smart kids i felt bad for the idiots who needed to cheat, you know like Caliga.  :)

Didn't you tell us that you were homeschooled? :hmm:

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Quote from: katmai on May 31, 2012, 05:46:22 PM
See as one of the really smart kids i felt bad for the idiots who needed to cheat, you know like Caliga.  :)

Didn't you tell us that you were homeschooled? :hmm:

KAt and his siblings didn't get along :D

Public School, Catholic School, Private School, back to Public School and Finally Homeschooled before entering College at 15.

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Quote from: katmai on May 31, 2012, 05:46:22 PM
See as one of the really smart kids i felt bad for the idiots who needed to cheat, you know like Caliga.  :)

Didn't you tell us that you were homeschooled? :hmm:

KAt and his siblings didn't get along :D

:huh:

Quote from: katmai on May 31, 2012, 06:07:10 PM
Public School, Catholic School, Private School, back to Public School and Finally Homeschooled before entering College at 15.

Is this because you moved around a lot?

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Quote from: katmai on May 31, 2012, 05:46:22 PM
See as one of the really smart kids i felt bad for the idiots who needed to cheat, you know like Caliga.  :)

Didn't you tell us that you were homeschooled? :hmm:

KAt and his siblings didn't get along :D

:huh:

i was saying you were calling your siblings (do you have any? lol) idiots who had to cheat off you.

15 year old in college? that was either cool or annoying.

Quote from: DGuller on May 31, 2012, 06:03:43 PM
If aiding the cheaters counts, then I did lots of that as well.  I always told other people that they're welcome to cheat off me as much as they wanted, just as long as they didn't make me do anything to actively aid them.  It got a little ridiculous on BC Calculus final AP exam, though, when it seemed like there was a gravitational field right where I was sitting, and way too many combo desk-chairs seemed to converge around me.  I even had to turn down an offer of $50 for help in cheating, because I felt that would be crossing the line.

Advanced Math (had a lot of calc and trig in it) was the class I helped three guys pass, the center piece of my cheating career.

Gave it a try once in French but I couldn't come up with a system that worked in short answer tests.

Pretty much yes. moving around for almost every year in the 80's meant had a lot of different schools. Moving to western PA from Alaska my mother wasn't impressed by the public school so only alternative was Immaculate Conception catholic elementary was only other choice.
Moving to San Francisco a year later meant I went back to Public school.
Another year, another move to central PA once again wasn't impressed with the public school so ended up going to alternative private school that had rotating electives beyond the basic classes of English, math, history, writing.
And finally after moving to Seattle and year at Hamilton Middle School I went to Homeschooling, which for me meant my mother had teachers/tutors from her job that taught me math and sciences (they were engineers at a testing laboratory) while pretty much read on my own with testing from my mother when it came to History and Lit.

Quote from: HVC on May 31, 2012, 06:08:52 PM

i was saying you were calling your siblings (do you have any? lol) idiots who had to cheat off you.

15 year old in college? that was either cool or annoying.

My siblings didn't live anywhere near me. :P

and it was cool and annoying, tough to hit on the hot college girls when you don't even have a drivers license.

I cheated once.  In law school.  :o

At the time it just seemed like such a bullshit assignment.  It was 1997.  I think we had to research some stuff on the new-fangled internet and then submit our findings on a disk.  This had very little to do with law, it was simple but fairly tedious to do.  It was the kind of thing you could do in 30 seconds with google, but google hadn't been invented yet.  It wasn't even a paper - I think we had to submit a bunch of hyperlinks.

Everyone agreed this was a bullshit assignment, so there was rampant copying of what other people had researched.

Now, not being incredibly stupid, I cut-and-pasted from about three people's research, threw in a little of my own, and called it a day.

A half dozen of my classmates were incredibly stupid however, just cut-and-paste the entire file, and got caught.  There were enough of them the school didn't want to look bad by expelling all of them.  I forget what their ultimate punishment was.

So, in hindsight it was a dumb thing to do given the possible consequences, but I didn't feel it harmed my academic integrity one bit.

Yeah. In college you could bring graphing calculators into most science-ish exams. I'd write programs for it that would have all of the notes, formulas, and even download programs that did the calculations for you if you put in the variables properly. Physics, biochemistry, chemistry...  :blush:

I really wonder what the professors were smoking. They never even thought to make the students reset the batteries. My high school was all over that shit.

I cheated a bunch of times, even in university.

I don't feel bad about it either.

One time I brought a pair of binoculars to school to read the periodic table posted on the wall for a test.  It was just a joke, and I gave them to the teacher before the test when she saw what I could do with it.  That's the closest I ever came cheating on something.

Quote from: Zoupa on May 31, 2012, 07:22:19 PM
I cheated a bunch of times, even in university.

I don't feel bad about it either.

tsk tsk.

Quote from: Razgovory on May 31, 2012, 07:25:00 PM
One time I brought a pair of binoculars to school to read the periodic table posted on the wall for a test.  It was just a joke, and I gave them to the teacher before the test when she saw what I could do with it.  That's the closest I ever came cheating on something.

Surprised you could use them, what with the crash helmet and all.

Quote from: Caliga on May 31, 2012, 05:19:48 PM
Define "cheat". :)

I like this answer.

Yes. There's a person or 2 that should have my name on their diploma.

No.  I did reasonably well at school, so there was no need to cheat.  Cheaters face expulsion from school.  There was no way it would be worth it. 

If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'

I didn't really try that hard in school so no.

Quote from: Fate on May 31, 2012, 06:45:43 PM
Yeah. In college you could bring graphing calculators into most science-ish exams. I'd write programs for it that would have all of the notes, formulas, and even download programs that did the calculations for you if you put in the variables properly. Physics, biochemistry, chemistry...  :blush:

This seems to be common among pre-med students I knew.  :hmm:

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Quote from: Razgovory on May 31, 2012, 07:25:00 PM
One time I brought a pair of binoculars to school to read the periodic table posted on the wall for a test.  It was just a joke, and I gave them to the teacher before the test when she saw what I could do with it.  That's the closest I ever came cheating on something.

Surprised you could use them, what with the crash helmet and all.

No crash helmet.  Had an old Brodie helmet that I wore sometimes.  I was well protected from German 7.7 artillery bombardment.

Outside of some vague memories of doing some shit like secretly opening my textbook or looking at other kids' answers in elementary school, I've never cheated.

That said, I did do some business writing research papers for stupid people.  I still say that's not cheating.

It's threads like this that make me miss Dorsey4Heisman.  :blush:

Quote from: Monoriu on May 31, 2012, 08:46:01 PM
No.  I did reasonably well at school, so there was no need to cheat.  Cheaters face expulsion from school.  There was no way it would be worth it.

This.

I helped others - I guess that would fall under option 2. Never had to cheat to help myself.

Quote from: Caliga on May 31, 2012, 06:07:48 PM

Quote from: katmai on May 31, 2012, 06:07:10 PM
Public School, Catholic School, Private School, back to Public School and Finally Homeschooled before entering College at 15.

Is this because you moved around a lot?

Does Katmai look like a person who moves around a lot? Perhaps he *was moved* but that's about it.

Never anything major, such stuff is super super serious in the UK.
Everyone does it once in a while in class though. Meh.

I don't know the situation right now, but when I was at school, pretty much all exams were memorization tests (I don't remember having an open book exam at all until college) so I guess that contributed to cheating. I have (had?) very good memory so this was never a problem for me, but I know other people struggled.

I never had a problem with helping others as long as it didn't directly endanger me (e.g. I didn't let people plagiarise my essays and the like as I could get into trouble with my own marks because of that) - I guess I grew up during a simpler, better time when school was not a rat race yet.

Quote from: Tyr on June 01, 2012, 02:56:14 AM
Never anything major, such stuff is super super serious in the UK.
Everyone does it once in a while in class though. Meh.

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Schizophrenic much Squeeze?

Saw others cheat and didn't tell. I never found it necessary to cheat (or actually work much at school) to be an A student.

Sure. I made up numbers for a major science project, copied homework, participated in group efforts that were supposed to be solo, etc. I never *needed* to cheat, but if the opportunity to avoid work came up, I'd take it.  :blush:

Of course I didn't cheat.

I drew a trigonometry triangle reminder on the inside of my pencil case  :(

Quote from: Martinus on June 01, 2012, 02:49:04 AM
I helped others - I guess that would fall under option 2. Never had to cheat to help myself.

Homework for blow jobs is how it started, huh?

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Quote from: Martinus on June 01, 2012, 02:49:04 AM
I helped others - I guess that would fall under option 2. Never had to cheat to help myself.

Homework for blow jobs is how it started, huh?

Nah. I never worked for others - I'm too lazy for that (I have a school friend who later came out as gay who actually did write homework for other people). But I didn't mind giving people answers during tests etc.

Both of the first apply. We stole a chemistry exam once, which somehow everyone got a hold of.

Of course, they found out we had done so, because some moron told his or her parents. They couldn't prove who did it, though, and nobody who knew snitched. Not even the teacher, who was smart enough to understand exactly how we did it.

The exam itself was the most hilarious thing ever. We had to fight not to laugh out loud. We also tried to keep it somewhat believable, making arithmetic mistakes and such. A couple guys managed to fail in the process, to everyone else's amusement.

In the end, I ended learning quite a bit memorizing that exam, so I managed to pass easily when a new exam took place.

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Quote from: Tyr on June 01, 2012, 02:56:14 AM
Never anything major, such stuff is super super serious in the UK.
Everyone does it once in a while in class though. Meh.

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Schizophrenic much Squeeze?

I don't understand. How?

Quote from: Ideologue on May 31, 2012, 11:09:02 PM
Outside of some vague memories of doing some shit like secretly opening my textbook or looking at other kids' answers in elementary school, I've never cheated.

That said, I did do some business writing research papers for stupid people.  I still say that's not cheating.

How is that not cheating?  :lol:

Quote from: Caliga on May 31, 2012, 06:03:17 PM
I also don't know if you would consider this cheating, but for my senior project I wrote a text advenuture game (think Zork, Planetfall, etc.) in Borland Turbo Pascal 6.  Although the story and puzzles were original, I 'borrowed' most of the parser from a friend of mine who had written a text adventure earlier, just for fun.  I did refine his parser a bit but the core design was essentially unchanged.  I failed to mention that I did this to the teacher.... she however failed to ask. :)

I did a small text adventure set in the Vietnam War in 9th grade, and I did it in BASIC.  I was never happy with it, but the teacher thought it was outstanding.  Then again, I had a few dolts in that computer class.

Also took "AP Turbo Pascal" in 12th grade.  What a joke-- all the tests were open-book and we could use our notes as well.  Most of the time we just sat in the computer lab & played Battle Chess, PGA Golf, M1 Tank Platoon, and Rescue Raiders.  We all got A's, but none of us bothered to take the AP test.

Never cheated, but back in the day there was a whole lot less to learn.  I don't even think the counting went up past 7 or 8 when I was in grade school.

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Quote from: Caliga on May 31, 2012, 06:03:17 PM
I also don't know if you would consider this cheating, but for my senior project I wrote a text advenuture game (think Zork, Planetfall, etc.) in Borland Turbo Pascal 6.  Although the story and puzzles were original, I 'borrowed' most of the parser from a friend of mine who had written a text adventure earlier, just for fun.  I did refine his parser a bit but the core design was essentially unchanged.  I failed to mention that I did this to the teacher.... she however failed to ask. :)

Also took "AP Turbo Pascal" in 12th grade.  What a joke-- all the tests were open-book and we could use our notes as well.  Most of the time we just sat in the computer lab & played Battle Chess, PGA Golf, M1 Tank Platoon, and Rescue Raiders.  We all got A's, but none of us bothered to take the AP test.

I must be old. We'd just ditch something like that and go to the smoking area.

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Quote from: Caliga on May 31, 2012, 06:03:17 PM
I also don't know if you would consider this cheating, but for my senior project I wrote a text advenuture game (think Zork, Planetfall, etc.) in Borland Turbo Pascal 6.  Although the story and puzzles were original, I 'borrowed' most of the parser from a friend of mine who had written a text adventure earlier, just for fun.  I did refine his parser a bit but the core design was essentially unchanged.  I failed to mention that I did this to the teacher.... she however failed to ask. :)

Also took "AP Turbo Pascal" in 12th grade.  What a joke-- all the tests were open-book and we could use our notes as well.  Most of the time we just sat in the computer lab & played Battle Chess, PGA Golf, M1 Tank Platoon, and Rescue Raiders.  We all got A's, but none of us bothered to take the AP test.

I must be old. We'd just ditch something like that and go to the smoking area.

Then we'd have fallen out of the good graces of our computer teacher, who undoubtedly would have made things more difficult in class.

Re: the smoking area, that was across the street from our school (technically off-campus but smokers were allowed to go there) and you only went into the smoking area if you were on the 'other' side of the big socioeconomic divide in our high school.

Worst cheating I ever did was once when under a lot of time pressure as an undergraduate I submitted what was basically the same essay in two different classes, rather than writing two different essays. I suppose you can't do that sort of thing now, they probably make you submit electronic copies & run some sort of compare program over 'em.

In high school, I used to write out "cheat sheets" for the math-oriented classes, and then not actually bring them - because the act of writing them out actually caused me to, well, learn the stuff.

Not exactly cheating, but funny nonetheless - I hated my calculus teacher in HS grade 10 and the feeling was mutual. He was a nasty little dwarf. We used to sit just outside his class in the summer smoking pot and making sure it wafted into his class - he was so short he couldn't actually see us, and by the time he ran all the way to the outer school door we were long gone.  :P

Anyway, one day I drifted in reeking of a big hash joint I'd just smoked and without either book or homework. The teacher decided this was time for a little humiliation. He immediately assigned me to do the most difficult question in that day's work on the blackboard, and settled back with a smile to enjoy. I grabbed a book from a buddy and started up.

What he didn't realize, because the teacher's book was laid out differently, was that the particular problem he had chosen was by chance identical (except for different numbers) to the example on the facing page of the text. So it was easy enough for me to do the problem by simply copying the example and substituting the numbers.

The teacher was quite flabbergasted. He knew I hadn't done any work and was high to boot. How the fuck did I manage to write out and do the problem at lighting speed? He simply couldn't believe it.  :D

Quote from: Malthus on June 01, 2012, 11:02:38 AM
The teacher decided this was time for a little humiliation. He immediately assigned me to do the most difficult question in that day's work on the blackboard, and settled back with a smile to enjoy. I grabbed a book from a buddy and started up.

Some of my best moments in school were when teachers caught me not paying attention and tried to make an example of me in similar fashion.  As if there were no possible way for me to learn or know the lesson content without listening to them :rolleyes:

I didn't smoke pot but I think I inadvertently showed signs that I did.