http://gizmodo.com/5890825/lulzsec-leader-betrays-all-of-anonymous
QuoteFoxNews.com. "It was because of his kids. He didn't want to go away to prison and leave them. That's how we got him."
. Ya, kids, i'm sure the whole prison thing wasn't enough.
Also, if you're a group called anonymous why do you let other people in your group know who you are?
The origins of certain aphorisms are cloudy, lost to moments in history or strange customs of the time...
"There's no honor among thieves", though, is still pretty crystal-clear.
Quote from: fahdiz on March 06, 2012, 02:08:01 PM
The origins of certain aphorisms are cloudy, lost to moments in history or strange customs of the time...
"There's no honor among thieves", though, is still pretty crystal-clear.
To be fair there's little honour amongst anyone with their backs to to wall.
Quote from: HVC on March 06, 2012, 02:08:47 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on March 06, 2012, 02:08:01 PM
The origins of certain aphorisms are cloudy, lost to moments in history or strange customs of the time...
"There's no honor among thieves", though, is still pretty crystal-clear.
To be fair there's little honour amongst anyone with their backs to to wall.
especially when there's soap on the floor...
Excellent news. I hate all hackers, script kiddies, and phone phreakes (I don't think anyone uses that last one anymore).
Quote from: Razgovory on March 06, 2012, 02:23:03 PM
phone phreakes (I don't think anyone uses that last one anymore).
people who have sex with phones? :unsure:
Quote from: HVC on March 06, 2012, 02:26:15 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 06, 2012, 02:23:03 PM
phone phreakes (I don't think anyone uses that last one anymore).
people who have sex with phones? :unsure:
People who messed with the phone system in the 1980's. I couldn't think of another word for "Hacker", and I needed three things for my sentence.
The Legion of Doom and the MoD? Bitchin'.
Quote from: Jacob on March 06, 2012, 01:42:54 PM
http://gizmodo.com/5890825/lulzsec-leader-betrays-all-of-anonymous
Good.
I must say I hate the pro-Anonymous bent of most of the reporting on this story.
It's alright, BB. We never expected you to be anything but square.
Quote from: Martinus on March 06, 2012, 04:12:27 PM
It's alright, BB. We never expected you to be anything but square.
At least he's not a poser.
Anyway, I find it quite funny that I, a clear beneficiary of the system, sympathize with various groups (like the Anonymous, or the Occupy Wallstreet) that want to tear it down (or at least to reform this), while a lot of people who are at the bottom of the ladder seem to hate them viscerally.
So, as long as the system continues to produce the docile sheep to tread on, I can give in to my action-less romanticism. Sweet. :bowler:
Quote from: Martinus on March 06, 2012, 04:12:27 PM
It's alright, BB. We never expected you to be anything but square.
I yam what I yam.
Quote from: Martinus on March 06, 2012, 04:15:02 PM
Anyway, I find it quite funny that I, a clear beneficiary of the system, sympathize with various groups (like the Anonymous, or the Occupy Wallstreet) that want to tear it down (or at least to reform this), while a lot of people who are at the bottom of the ladder seem to hate them viscerally.
So, as long as the system continues to produce the docile sheep to tread on, I can give in to my action-less romanticism. Sweet. :bowler:
You are both of the 1% and a hater of the 1%. Very Zen. :D
He's a 1 percenter, but he's also a outsider looking in so he can emphasize... That and he's always had soft spot for trolls :P
Anyway these guys arent only into civil disobedience here also theifs so I don't particularly feel for them
Quote from: Martinus on March 06, 2012, 04:15:02 PM
Anyway, I find it quite funny that I, a clear beneficiary of the system, sympathize with various groups (like the Anonymous, or the Occupy Wallstreet) that want to tear it down (or at least to reform this), while a lot of people who are at the bottom of the ladder seem to hate them viscerally.
So, as long as the system continues to produce the docile sheep to tread on, I can give in to my action-less romanticism. Sweet. :bowler:
I don't like people who think its fun to put viruses on my PC.
Quote from: HVC on March 06, 2012, 04:36:50 PM
He's a 1 percenter, but he's also a outsider looking in so he can emphasize... That and he's always had soft spot for trolls :P
Anyway these guys arent only into civil disobedience here also theifs so I don't particularly feel for them
Marty's not a 1 percenter. He's a third worlder.
Well 1 percenter in the third world is still a one percenter :P
Quote from: Martinus on March 06, 2012, 04:15:02 PM
Anyway, I find it quite funny that I, a clear beneficiary of the system, sympathize with various groups (like the Anonymous, or the Occupy Wallstreet) that want to tear it down (or at least to reform this), while a lot of people who are at the bottom of the ladder seem to hate them viscerally.
So, as long as the system continues to produce the docile sheep to tread on, I can give in to my action-less romanticism. Sweet. :bowler:
Translation: HAY GUISE! I WAS JUST TROLLING!
What's wrong with phone phreaks? :(
Quote from: Barrister on March 06, 2012, 04:19:46 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 06, 2012, 04:12:27 PM
It's alright, BB. We never expected you to be anything but square.
I yam what I yam.
A sweet potato? :unsure:
V
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on March 06, 2012, 05:51:08 PM
What's wrong with phone phreaks? :(
Wasn't one of the most famous ones called Captain Crunch? :hmm:
Quote from: Martinus on March 06, 2012, 04:15:02 PM
Anyway, I find it quite funny that I, a clear beneficiary of the system, sympathize with various groups (like the Anonymous, or the Occupy Wallstreet) that want to tear it down (or at least to reform this), while a lot of people who are at the bottom of the ladder seem to hate them viscerally.
So, as long as the system continues to produce the docile sheep to tread on, I can give in to my action-less romanticism. Sweet. :bowler:
If this shows anything (which I doubt), it is your lack of morals and detachment from reality.
And don't get me started on DoS-ing servers for lulz being portrayed as a heroic stand against The Man.
The whole ethos of hacking is sickening.
QuoteLulzSec
Now why didn't I think of that.
Quote from: Tamas on March 07, 2012, 05:32:32 AM
The whole ethos of hacking is sickening.
You're adorable.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 07, 2012, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: Tamas on March 07, 2012, 05:32:32 AM
The whole ethos of hacking is sickening.
You're adorable.
He's getting better. Tamas has shown real improvement in his Eastern Europeaness. Marty continues to wallow in it.
Quote from: Razgovory on March 07, 2012, 09:29:09 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 07, 2012, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: Tamas on March 07, 2012, 05:32:32 AM
The whole ethos of hacking is sickening.
You're adorable.
He's getting better. Tamas has shown real improvement in his Eastern Europeaness. Marty continues to wallow in it.
fuck you too
Quote from: Tamas on March 07, 2012, 05:32:32 AM
And don't get me started on DoS-ing servers for lulz being portrayed as a heroic stand against The Man.
The whole ethos of hacking is sickening.
They're trying to bring down The System. :mad:
Quote from: Tamas on March 07, 2012, 05:32:32 AM
And don't get me started on DoS-ing servers for lulz being portrayed as a heroic stand against The Man.
The whole ethos of hacking is sickening.
You mean apart from the hacking that lets you play computer games before they are released in your area?
Quote from: frunk on March 07, 2012, 03:16:58 PM
Quote from: Tamas on March 07, 2012, 05:32:32 AM
And don't get me started on DoS-ing servers for lulz being portrayed as a heroic stand against The Man.
The whole ethos of hacking is sickening.
You mean apart from the hacking that lets you play computer games before they are released in your area?
^_^
Quote from: frunk on March 07, 2012, 03:16:58 PM
Quote from: Tamas on March 07, 2012, 05:32:32 AM
And don't get me started on DoS-ing servers for lulz being portrayed as a heroic stand against The Man.
The whole ethos of hacking is sickening.
You mean apart from the hacking that lets you play computer games before they are released in your area?
That's not hacking.
Quote from: Neil on March 07, 2012, 03:45:32 PM
[That's not hacking.
Either the program is hacked to get around copy protection, or the server is hacked to get a copy, or ip spoofing is involved to pretend to be living in a different area. Which of these isn't hacking?
Quote from: frunk on March 07, 2012, 03:16:58 PM
Quote from: Tamas on March 07, 2012, 05:32:32 AM
And don't get me started on DoS-ing servers for lulz being portrayed as a heroic stand against The Man.
The whole ethos of hacking is sickening.
You mean apart from the hacking that lets you play computer games before they are released in your area?
lol, well I would not call it hacking, the (in many cases talented, granted) people posing as hackers wouldn't call it hacking for sure.
Besides, I am not putting any high moral value on that. I pay for something, and I get it.
Had a few debates over stuff like this over the years with RL people. The IT crowd is quite prone to "I can do it because other people are careless/dumb, therefore it is okay" attitude, at least over here.
The "lol R you paying for a game? SRSLY?!" part has become a lot quieter, or probably I have got older and cut comm ties to teenage duchebags.
An other such topic is connecting to unsecured wi-fi routers.
Minor gripe, but I believe you guys are talking about cracking. Hacking is just getting access. Cracking is modification once the target platform has been accessed. In terms of pirating video games, keygens are hacking, dropping replacement files into the executable path is cracking.
Quote from: Tamas on March 07, 2012, 04:18:36 PM
lol, well I would not call it hacking, the (in many cases talented, granted) people posing as hackers wouldn't call it hacking for sure.
Besides, I am not putting any high moral value on that. I pay for something, and I get it.
Had a few debates over stuff like this over the years with RL people. The IT crowd is quite prone to "I can do it because other people are careless/dumb, therefore it is okay" attitude, at least over here.
The "lol R you paying for a game? SRSLY?!" part has become a lot quieter, or probably I have got older and cut comm ties to teenage duchebags.
An other such topic is connecting to unsecured wi-fi routers.
By hacking I assume you meant what is probably better called cracking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_(computer_security)) and not the more playful programmers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_(programmer_subculture)). Getting around region specific release dates, even if trivially easy, is still violating the desires of the publishers (regardless of how stupid they are) and isn't materially different from playing a cracked copy and buying a legit copy later. It isn't hacking in the sense of doing something remotely clever, it's hacking to get around protections to get what you want.
I'd probably do something similar in your position, so I personally wouldn't call it wrong. Still, the term fits.
Quote from: frunk on March 07, 2012, 03:48:47 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 07, 2012, 03:45:32 PM
[That's not hacking.
Either the program is hacked to get around copy protection, or the server is hacked to get a copy, or ip spoofing is involved to pretend to be living in a different area. Which of these isn't hacking?
Using a proxy server to beat street dates isn't hacking.
Quote from: frunk on March 07, 2012, 05:24:28 PM
Getting around region specific release dates, even if trivially easy, is still violating the desires of the publishers (regardless of how stupid they are) and isn't materially different from playing a cracked copy and buying a legit copy later.
Except that it doesn't involve pirating anything.
I always knew Tamas was a cracker.
Quote from: Tamas on March 07, 2012, 10:05:11 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 07, 2012, 09:29:09 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 07, 2012, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: Tamas on March 07, 2012, 05:32:32 AM
The whole ethos of hacking is sickening.
You're adorable.
He's getting better. Tamas has shown real improvement in his Eastern Europeaness. Marty continues to wallow in it.
fuck you too
Hey, that was a complement! We don't see you steal things left and right ore argue about territory with the Romanian guy anymore. Big improvement.
Quote from: Neil on March 07, 2012, 05:52:22 PM
Using a proxy server to beat street dates isn't hacking.
It's circumventing the protections put in place to preserve release dates, which is tough to distinguish from circumventing protections put in place to get a copy of the game before any of the release dates.
You are buying something before the seller wants to sell it to you.
Quote from: Razgovory on March 08, 2012, 09:42:43 AM
Hey, that was a complement!
Like "you don't sweat much for a fat guy".
Learn to make less backhanded compliments.
Quote from: frunk on March 08, 2012, 01:48:50 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 07, 2012, 05:52:22 PM
Using a proxy server to beat street dates isn't hacking.
It's circumventing the protections put in place to preserve release dates, which is tough to distinguish from circumventing protections put in place to get a copy of the game before any of the release dates.
You are buying something before the seller wants to sell it to you.
Not at all. You're buying a legal copy through the North American digital distribution network. It's a legal transaction. That's not hacking. If I had to think of an analog, it would be more like smuggling the products of civilization into Soviet-dominated Europe.
Quote from: fahdiz on March 08, 2012, 02:05:36 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 08, 2012, 09:42:43 AM
Hey, that was a complement!
Like "you don't sweat much for a fat guy".
Learn to make less backhanded compliments.
Half my hand is backhand! Chances that it will be a 50% any given compliment will be backhanded. I wonder if I can give compliments with other parts of my hand. Like a Karate chop compliment.
Quote from: Neil on March 08, 2012, 05:44:01 PM
Not at all. You're buying a legal copy through the North American digital distribution network. It's a legal transaction. That's not hacking. If I had to think of an analog, it would be more like smuggling the products of civilization into Soviet-dominated Europe.
Hacking isn't necessarily illegal or dishonest, and frequently it occurs in the grey areas like this. Comparing it to smuggling only reinforces the point, it being legal in one jurisdiction but illegal in the other.
Quote from: frunk on March 08, 2012, 06:03:40 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 08, 2012, 05:44:01 PM
Not at all. You're buying a legal copy through the North American digital distribution network. It's a legal transaction. That's not hacking. If I had to think of an analog, it would be more like smuggling the products of civilization into Soviet-dominated Europe.
Hacking isn't necessarily illegal or dishonest, and frequently it occurs in the grey areas like this. Comparing it to smuggling only reinforces the point, it being legal in one jurisdiction but illegal in the other.
But not really illegal, since any government that is against civilization is illegitimate, just like the pro-Soviet governments and the Soviet Union itself.
Hacking requires that a computer system be somehow compromised. That doesn't apply in this case.