If something is not done about this Grallon may yet get is revolution.
QuoteNew research suggests skating and hockey could become indoor-only activities in parts of the country. The Canadian-led study warns climate change could threaten the future of outdoor rinks
The BBC reported it as saying that this could mean the end of traditional street hockey games. Which is sort of funny.
Quote from: Jacob on March 05, 2012, 12:57:01 PM
The BBC reported it as saying that this could mean the end of traditional street hockey games. Which is sort of funny.
:lol:
What, dont you flood and freeze your street so the kids can play street hockey? Most Canadians now have a long enough hose attached to their igloo for such things dont they?
Quote from: Jacob on March 05, 2012, 12:57:01 PM
The BBC reported it as saying that this could mean the end of traditional street hockey games. Which is sort of funny.
:lol:
Awesome.
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 05, 2012, 01:00:15 PM
Quote from: Jacob on March 05, 2012, 12:57:01 PM
The BBC reported it as saying that this could mean the end of traditional street hockey games. Which is sort of funny.
:lol:
What, dont you flood and freeze your street so the kids can play street hockey?
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/396321_10150561586297022_96507982021_8856658_1824978230_n.jpg)
January 24th, 2012, near Quebec city.
I've always wanted to play ice hockey. Not much chance though, closest ice rink is 160 km away. :(
Some places banned street hockey becasue of danger to kids. guess kids forgot how to yell "car!" since i was young. I used to love street hoceky as a kid.
It is true we have had a succession of extremely mild winters. But that could be merely random variation.
Of greater concern is the fact, noted by my dad among others, that southern species of animals are moving north - this indicates that long-term change has been noticable in one lifetime.
Quote from: Iormlund on March 05, 2012, 02:31:27 PM
I've always wanted to play ice hockey. Not much chance though, closest ice rink is 160 km away. :(
Your answer is clear. You need to start a game of street hockey in Spain.
What's the Spanish word for "car"? :hmm:
Quote from: Barrister on March 05, 2012, 02:55:02 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on March 05, 2012, 02:31:27 PM
I've always wanted to play ice hockey. Not much chance though, closest ice rink is 160 km away. :(
Your answer is clear. You need to start a game of street hockey in Spain.
What's the Spanish word for "car"? :hmm:
if it's like portuguese, then it's "carro"*. All they have to do is and a "eh" to the end it and it'll be just like canada :weep:.
*which sounds similar to "caro", which means expensive. Probably a coincidence, but amusing just the same.
Quote from: Malthus on March 05, 2012, 02:50:10 PM
It is true we have had a succession of extremely mild winters. But that could be merely random variation
what i've notice about this winter is that even when it's not really cold as compared to previous years (say like today's minus 20 with windchill) if feels a hell of a lot colder then it should.
'Coche' would be the usual term in Spain. 'Carro' (from 'carromato' - cart) is used in inferior cultures like Latinamerica. 'Carro' and 'caro' don't sound anywhere near the same. 'Carro' has a strong 'r', which most foreigners cannot pronounce.
I did see some ice a couple weeks ago while driving through some mountain passes. Didn't have any hockey equipment handy though.
Quote from: Iormlund on March 05, 2012, 03:20:03 PM
'Coche'. 'Carro' and 'caro' don't sound anywhere near the same. 'Carro' has a strong 'r', which most foreigners cannot pronounce.
I did see some ice a couple weeks ago while driving through some mountain passes. Didn't have any hockey equipment handy though.
trust me, to someone who doesn't pseak spanish or portuguese it would sound the same :lol: Carro just has a (more) rolled r.
Quote from: HVC on March 05, 2012, 03:18:04 PM
Quote from: Malthus on March 05, 2012, 02:50:10 PM
It is true we have had a succession of extremely mild winters. But that could be merely random variation
what i've notice about this winter is that even when it's not really cold as compared to previous years (say like today's minus 20 with windchill) if feels a hell of a lot colder then it should.
Perception of coldness is at least partly subjective and based on the perceived norm. A really cold day in a mild winter feels a lot colder than the same cold day in a winter filled with them.
Quote from: Malthus on March 05, 2012, 02:50:10 PM
It is true we have had a succession of extremely mild winters. But that could be merely random variation.
Of greater concern is the fact, noted by my dad among others, that southern species of animals are moving north - this indicates that long-term change has been noticable in one lifetime.
I thought the fear of losing outdoor rinks was a bit comical. But you are right, there are much more serious issues.
One need only look at the pine beetle. Every year the winter cold killed them off so they were not a problem. Then things warmed up over time and the beetles lived through the winters and began killing trees. Now most Northern mill towns have no supply of timber left after the beetle killed all the pine trees.
Soon those towns will have no economy at all as the last of the salvageable deadwood is coming to an end.
Quote from: Malthus on March 05, 2012, 03:22:01 PM
Quote from: HVC on March 05, 2012, 03:18:04 PM
Quote from: Malthus on March 05, 2012, 02:50:10 PM
It is true we have had a succession of extremely mild winters. But that could be merely random variation
what i've notice about this winter is that even when it's not really cold as compared to previous years (say like today's minus 20 with windchill) if feels a hell of a lot colder then it should.
Perception of coldness is at least partly subjective and based on the perceived norm. A really cold day in a mild winter feels a lot colder than the same cold day in a winter filled with them.
It also has to do with humidity. A -20 day up in the interior mountains doesnt seem so cold to me. But a -8 day here on the coast chills me to the bone. Mind you I have not experienced a -8 day at sea level for years.
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 05, 2012, 04:22:43 PM
Quote from: Malthus on March 05, 2012, 02:50:10 PM
It is true we have had a succession of extremely mild winters. But that could be merely random variation.
Of greater concern is the fact, noted by my dad among others, that southern species of animals are moving north - this indicates that long-term change has been noticable in one lifetime.
I thought the fear of losing outdoor rinks was a bit comical. But you are right, there are much more serious issues.
One need only look at the pine beetle. Every year the winter cold killed them off so they were not a problem. Then things warmed up over time and the beetles lived through the winters and began killing trees. Now most Northern mill towns have no supply of timber left after the beetle killed all the pine trees.
Soon those towns will have no economy at all as the last of the salvageable deadwood is coming to an end.
Engineer a plague.
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 05, 2012, 04:22:43 PM
Quote from: Malthus on March 05, 2012, 02:50:10 PM
It is true we have had a succession of extremely mild winters. But that could be merely random variation.
Of greater concern is the fact, noted by my dad among others, that southern species of animals are moving north - this indicates that long-term change has been noticable in one lifetime.
I thought the fear of losing outdoor rinks was a bit comical. But you are right, there are much more serious issues.
One need only look at the pine beetle. Every year the winter cold killed them off so they were not a problem. Then things warmed up over time and the beetles lived through the winters and began killing trees. Now most Northern mill towns have no supply of timber left after the beetle killed all the pine trees.
Soon those towns will have no economy at all as the last of the salvageable deadwood is coming to an end.
On the more humerous side, my wife saw an opossum crossing the street in Toronto for the first time a couple of years ago, and thought it was some sort of gigantic rat. :D
[Their range is moving north and so they have started to be seen for the first time as far north as Toronto]
Quote from: Ideologue on March 05, 2012, 04:30:45 PM
Engineer a plague.
Actually, that was tried. In the early years people were not too concerned about the fist signs of die off because it was assumed something could be created to kill the critters off. But nothing worked very well. It turned out the only reliable thing that could kill them was the cold and well we didnt have enough of that.
:(
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 05, 2012, 04:22:43 PM
Quote from: Malthus on March 05, 2012, 02:50:10 PM
It is true we have had a succession of extremely mild winters. But that could be merely random variation.
Of greater concern is the fact, noted by my dad among others, that southern species of animals are moving north - this indicates that long-term change has been noticable in one lifetime.
I thought the fear of losing outdoor rinks was a bit comical. But you are right, there are much more serious issues.
One need only look at the pine beetle. Every year the winter cold killed them off so they were not a problem. Then things warmed up over time and the beetles lived through the winters and began killing trees. Now most Northern mill towns have no supply of timber left after the beetle killed all the pine trees.
Soon those towns will have no economy at all as the last of the salvageable deadwood is coming to an end.
But won't it be interesting for us to see how the pine beetle is eventually brought under control?
Quote from: Neil on March 05, 2012, 05:23:59 PM
But won't it be interesting for us to see how the pine beetle is eventually brought under control?
You mean now that their food source has been killed off. Yeah, that is going to be great.
Quote from: Iormlund on March 05, 2012, 03:20:03 PM
'Coche' would be the usual term in Spain. 'Carro' (from 'carromato' - cart) is used in inferior cultures like Latinamerica. 'Carro' and 'caro' don't sound anywhere near the same. 'Carro' has a strong 'r', which most foreigners cannot pronounce.
I did see some ice a couple weeks ago while driving through some mountain passes. Didn't have any hockey equipment handy though.
I'm kicking your culo when i get to Spain.
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 05, 2012, 05:27:17 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 05, 2012, 05:23:59 PM
But won't it be interesting for us to see how the pine beetle is eventually brought under control?
You mean now that their food source has been killed off. Yeah, that is going to be great.
And that's when the forests come back.
Learn something new every day. I am not aware that there is such a thing as outdoor rinks. I have always assumed that all ice hockey is played indoors.
What is this mythical global warming they are talking about? There hasn't been any in the last 15 years, nor has there been any abnormal warming trends since the end of the "little ice age".
:lmfao:
Come to Ontario. We've got our only little global warming going on. Winter hasn't even started yet :lol:
Quote from: HVC on March 06, 2012, 01:10:22 AM
Come to Ontario. We've got our only little global warming going on. Winter hasn't even started yet :lol:
And Europe is going through an ice age this winter. So WTF is your point? I hate it when religious nutjobs claim their faith is based on science. There is no science of global warming, just a bunch of religious cultists with pointless computer models. They're as annoying as Jehova Witness freaks.
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 06, 2012, 04:30:12 AM
Quote from: HVC on March 06, 2012, 01:10:22 AM
Come to Ontario. We've got our only little global warming going on. Winter hasn't even started yet :lol:
And Europe is going through an ice age this winter. So WTF is your point? I hate it when religious nutjobs claim their faith is based on science. There is no science of global warming, just a bunch of religious cultists with pointless computer models. They're as annoying as Jehova Witness freaks.
Uh, huh. Any other conspiracy theories you adhere to?
Quote from: HVC on March 05, 2012, 03:21:51 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on March 05, 2012, 03:20:03 PM
'Coche'. 'Carro' and 'caro' don't sound anywhere near the same. 'Carro' has a strong 'r', which most foreigners cannot pronounce.
I did see some ice a couple weeks ago while driving through some mountain passes. Didn't have any hockey equipment handy though.
trust me, to someone who doesn't pseak spanish or portuguese it would sound the same :lol: Carro just has a (more) rolled r.
Emphasis mine ;) It explains a lot about you :lol:
Foreigners would actually hear a difference but would not be able to pronounce the strong trilled r or even the soft one. :contract:
Actually, Hans, just like the spread north of the Pinon Pine following the last Ice Age, the spread north of the Pine Beetle is one of those factors showing subtle climate change. It is the long range that matters here, and it does not really count in 15 year, 20 year, or 50 year spans, but it does show a long term change in climate.
That said, you are safe in that the changes in plants and animals like this does not show human causation, but it does show long term trends in temperatures.
Quote from: HVC on March 06, 2012, 01:10:22 AM
Come to Ontario. We've got our only little global warming going on. Winter hasn't even started yet :lol:
Having a very warm and almost snow free winter here in eastern Massachusetts. It's nice for a change, but I prefer cold so insects and such die off. But last year we had near record snowfall, what I started calling glaciers. It was a damned cold and snowy winter.
Quote from: Razgovory on March 06, 2012, 05:14:16 AM
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 06, 2012, 04:30:12 AM
Quote from: HVC on March 06, 2012, 01:10:22 AM
Come to Ontario. We've got our only little global warming going on. Winter hasn't even started yet :lol:
And Europe is going through an ice age this winter. So WTF is your point? I hate it when religious nutjobs claim their faith is based on science. There is no science of global warming, just a bunch of religious cultists with pointless computer models. They're as annoying as Jehova Witness freaks.
Uh, huh. Any other conspiracy theories you adhere to?
:yes:
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 05, 2012, 11:47:57 PM
What is this mythical global warming they are talking about? There hasn't been any in the last 15 years, nor has there been any abnormal warming trends since the end of the "little ice age".
I have no idea what is causing it, but the creep northwards of species previously found further south is undeniable here in Ontario over the last 20 years.
My father has been an outdoorsman for most of his 75 years and he is very definite about this - for example, he has spotted turkey vultures north of North Bay in Kippawa, where they were previously unknown; plus, I've noticed it myself - like the previously-mentioned surprise of seeing an opossum in Toronto.
Whether this is due to man-made climate change or simply a random fluctuation, I'm unqualified to say. What I can say is that when you see
multiple species used to warmer temperatures moving northwards, that is visual proof that there is a reasonably long-term change in temperatures on the average.
Quote from: Malthus on March 06, 2012, 09:09:07 AM
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 05, 2012, 11:47:57 PM
What is this mythical global warming they are talking about? There hasn't been any in the last 15 years, nor has there been any abnormal warming trends since the end of the "little ice age".
I have no idea what is causing it, but the creep northwards of species previously found further south is undeniable here in Ontario over the last 20 years.
My father has been an outdoorsman for most of his 75 years and he is very definite about this - for example, he has spotted turkey vultures north of North Bay in Kippawa, where they were previously unknown; plus, I've noticed it myself - like the previously-mentioned surprise of seeing an opossum in Toronto.
Whether this is due to man-made climate change or simply a random fluctuation, I'm unqualified to say. What I can say is that when you see multiple species used to warmer temperatures moving northwards, that is visual proof that there is a reasonably long-term change in temperatures on the average.
Same here. Armadillos now live the Mid Missouri area, they did not two decades ago. I've only seen them in recent years.
Also I think the possibility that Europe getting colder is one of the predictions made about Climate change.
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 06, 2012, 04:30:12 AM
Quote from: HVC on March 06, 2012, 01:10:22 AM
Come to Ontario. We've got our only little global warming going on. Winter hasn't even started yet :lol:
And Europe is going through an ice age this winter. So WTF is your point?
Is it? We had a very cold week a month ago. The rest of it has been stupidly warm. Ski resorts opened like a month late. Hell I worked out in shorts and T-shirt in January.
Quote from: Iormlund on March 06, 2012, 09:19:13 AM
Is it? We had a very cold week a month ago. The rest of it has been stupidly warm. Ski resorts opened like a month late. Hell I worked out in shorts and T-shirt in January.
Were the cops wearing speedos?
:unsure:
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 06, 2012, 04:30:12 AM
Quote from: HVC on March 06, 2012, 01:10:22 AM
Come to Ontario. We've got our only little global warming going on. Winter hasn't even started yet :lol:
And Europe is going through an ice age this winter. So WTF is your point? I hate it when religious nutjobs claim their faith is based on science. There is no science of global warming, just a bunch of religious cultists with pointless computer models. They're as annoying as Jehova Witness freaks.
We (Europe) had abnormal winters last couple of years. No snow in December or even January then a sudden outbreak that can last into what used to be spring months.
Quote from: Malthus on March 06, 2012, 09:09:07 AM
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 05, 2012, 11:47:57 PM
What is this mythical global warming they are talking about? There hasn't been any in the last 15 years, nor has there been any abnormal warming trends since the end of the "little ice age".
I have no idea what is causing it, but the creep northwards of species previously found further south is undeniable here in Ontario over the last 20 years.
My father has been an outdoorsman for most of his 75 years and he is very definite about this - for example, he has spotted turkey vultures north of North Bay in Kippawa, where they were previously unknown; plus, I've noticed it myself - like the previously-mentioned surprise of seeing an opossum in Toronto.
Whether this is due to man-made climate change or simply a random fluctuation, I'm unqualified to say. What I can say is that when you see multiple species used to warmer temperatures moving northwards, that is visual proof that there is a reasonably long-term change in temperatures on the average.
Yes, and in the middle ages Greenland attracted Viking settlers and England's vinyards prospered due to the medieval warming period. The earth has warmed since the little ice age ended 150 years ago, consistent with natural warming. Indeed, there is zero evidence that any of the warming has been unnatural. When there was a short spike in warming during the late 80s and the 90s hysterical greens were jumping on the global warming bandwagon and declared the coming apocalypse based of a very narrow set of data. Yet now that that very narrow set of data has been superceeded by an equally narrow set of data showing no warming they want to dismiss it while clinging to their now outdated data set.
Given that the fluctuations in temperature show a near perfect correlation with solar activity that would lead a rational human being to conclude that it is the sun that is driving the climate. Then again the global warming crowd has never been known for rationality or science.
Not to mention global warming is actually a good thing, which much higher upsides than downsides for humanity.
The whole thing was a bizarre religious cult, which has been increasingly discredited due to their rampant dishonesty and fakery.
Quote from: katmai on March 05, 2012, 08:28:06 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on March 05, 2012, 03:20:03 PM
'Coche' would be the usual term in Spain. 'Carro' (from 'carromato' - cart) is used in inferior cultures like Latinamerica. 'Carro' and 'caro' don't sound anywhere near the same. 'Carro' has a strong 'r', which most foreigners cannot pronounce.
I did see some ice a couple weeks ago while driving through some mountain passes. Didn't have any hockey equipment handy though.
I'm kicking your culo when i get to Spain.
Don't Mexicans say "coche"?
Argentines say "auto". I get laughed at when I say "coche" down there. Argies apparently regard that as an old-fashioned, overly formal term.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 06, 2012, 06:08:16 AM
Quote from: HVC on March 05, 2012, 03:21:51 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on March 05, 2012, 03:20:03 PM
'Coche'. 'Carro' and 'caro' don't sound anywhere near the same. 'Carro' has a strong 'r', which most foreigners cannot pronounce.
I did see some ice a couple weeks ago while driving through some mountain passes. Didn't have any hockey equipment handy though.
trust me, to someone who doesn't pseak spanish or portuguese it would sound the same :lol: Carro just has a (more) rolled r.
Emphasis mine ;) It explains a lot about you :lol:
Foreigners would actually would hear a difference but would not be able to pronounce the strong trilled r or even the soft one. :contract:
:P i pronounce it right. i can roll my r's like the best of them :lol:. why do you hate me so, is it becasue you think i use drivar? :( :P
Quote from: derspiess on March 06, 2012, 10:46:27 AM
Quote from: katmai on March 05, 2012, 08:28:06 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on March 05, 2012, 03:20:03 PM
'Coche' would be the usual term in Spain. 'Carro' (from 'carromato' - cart) is used in inferior cultures like Latinamerica. 'Carro' and 'caro' don't sound anywhere near the same. 'Carro' has a strong 'r', which most foreigners cannot pronounce.
I did see some ice a couple weeks ago while driving through some mountain passes. Didn't have any hockey equipment handy though.
I'm kicking your culo when i get to Spain.
Don't Mexicans say "coche"?
Argentines say "auto". I get laughed at when I say "coche" down there. Argies apparently regard that as an old-fashioned, overly formal term.
Not the ones i know, but of course since we've been In USA for over 100-150 years who knows what the South of the Borderians call it.
:P
Eggplants, spics and wetbacks - other invasive species moving northwards. Some to Toronto, some all the way to Alaska! Hijacking perfectly good threads with their filthy languages!
:P
Quote from: Malthus on March 06, 2012, 11:17:35 AM
Eggplants, spics and wetbacks - other invasive species moving northwards. Some to Toronto, some all the way to Alaska! Hijacking perfectly good threads with their filthy languages!
:P
you'd have no houses if we didn't move north :P
Quote from: Malthus on March 06, 2012, 09:09:07 AM
I have no idea what is causing it, but the creep northwards of species previously found further south is undeniable here in Ontario over the last 20 years.
My father has been an outdoorsman for most of his 75 years and he is very definite about this - for example, he has spotted turkey vultures north of North Bay in Kippawa, where they were previously unknown; plus, I've noticed it myself - like the previously-mentioned surprise of seeing an opossum in Toronto.
Whether this is due to man-made climate change or simply a random fluctuation, I'm unqualified to say. What I can say is that when you see multiple species used to warmer temperatures moving northwards, that is visual proof that there is a reasonably long-term change in temperatures on the average.
This seems to be widespread. Skunks and raccoons first made their appearances in the area I grew up in about 15 years ago.
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 06, 2012, 10:08:38 AM
Given that the fluctuations in temperature show a near perfect correlation with solar activity that would lead a rational human being to conclude that it is the sun that is driving the climate. Then again the global warming crowd has never been known for rationality or science.
You should advise your disinformation network to update their arguments.
QuoteWe reexamine observational evidence presented in support of the hypothesis of a sun-climate complexity linking by N. Scafetta and B. J. West, Phys. Rev. Lett. 90 248701 (2003), which contended that the integrated solar flare index (SFI) and the global temperature anomaly (GTA) both follow Lévy walk statistics with the same waiting-time exponent μ≈2.1. However, their analysis does not account for trends in the signal, cannot deal correctly with infinite variance processes (Lévy flights), and suffers from considering only the second moment. Our analysis shows that properly detrended, the integrated SFI is well described as a Lévy flight, and the integrated GTA as a persistent fractional Brownian motion. These very different stochastic properties of the solar and climate records do not support the hypothesis of a sun-climate complexity linking.
http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v104/i12/e128501
Lots of big scientific words there Hans. But in short, the early study finding a correlation was flawed and drew incorrect conclusions.
Lots of brown people have wandered up here the past decades. Some of them seem to nest and breed.
One thing that Hans is correct about is that there is no evidence whatsoever that climate change is caused by anything unnatural.
Quote from: Neil on March 06, 2012, 01:11:55 PM
One thing that Hans is correct about is that there is no evidence whatsoever that climate change is caused by anything unnatural.
Especially if you consider human activity natural.
Quote from: HVC on March 06, 2012, 11:00:00 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 06, 2012, 06:08:16 AM
Quote from: HVC on March 05, 2012, 03:21:51 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on March 05, 2012, 03:20:03 PM
'Coche'. 'Carro' and 'caro' don't sound anywhere near the same. 'Carro' has a strong 'r', which most foreigners cannot pronounce.
I did see some ice a couple weeks ago while driving through some mountain passes. Didn't have any hockey equipment handy though.
trust me, to someone who doesn't pseak spanish or portuguese it would sound the same :lol: Carro just has a (more) rolled r.
Emphasis mine ;) It explains a lot about you :lol:
Foreigners would actually hear a difference but would not be able to pronounce the strong trilled r or even the soft one. :contract:
:P i pronounce it right. i can roll my r's like the best of them :lol:. why do you hate me so, is it becasue you think i use drivar? :( :P
Yes.
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 05, 2012, 11:47:57 PM
What is this mythical global warming they are talking about? There hasn't been any in the last 15 years, nor has there been any abnormal warming trends since the end of the "little ice age".
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 06, 2012, 01:46:31 PM
Quote from: HVC on March 06, 2012, 11:00:00 AM
:P i pronounce it right. i can roll my r's like the best of them :lol:. why do you hate me so, is it becasue you think i use drivar? :( :P
Yes.
but i don't! :weep: Actually, if you heard me i apparently have a weird mixture of a Lisbon accent with a nazarean one (the one south of leiria, not in Israel :lol: ) . Some Azorean pronunciation is thrown in there, but not their actual words (ie no drivar, no parkar, etc.)
Quote from: Malthus on March 06, 2012, 09:09:07 AM
I have no idea what is causing it, but the creep northwards of species previously found further south is undeniable here in Ontario over the last 20 years.
My father has been an outdoorsman for most of his 75 years and he is very definite about this - for example, he has spotted turkey vultures north of North Bay in Kippawa, where they were previously unknown; plus, I've noticed it myself - like the previously-mentioned surprise of seeing an opossum in Toronto.
Whether this is due to man-made climate change or simply a random fluctuation, I'm unqualified to say. What I can say is that when you see multiple species used to warmer temperatures moving northwards, that is visual proof that there is a reasonably long-term change in temperatures on the average.
Sadly, I think the major new wildlife we got in Massachusetts over the last 20-30 years is the coyote. And that isn't likely due to any warming, more likely a natural move by the critters as more of them proliferate elsewhere and have to move on.
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 06, 2012, 12:21:48 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 06, 2012, 10:08:38 AM
Given that the fluctuations in temperature show a near perfect correlation with solar activity that would lead a rational human being to conclude that it is the sun that is driving the climate. Then again the global warming crowd has never been known for rationality or science.
You should advise your disinformation network to update their arguments.
QuoteWe reexamine observational evidence presented in support of the hypothesis of a sun-climate complexity linking by N. Scafetta and B. J. West, Phys. Rev. Lett. 90 248701 (2003), which contended that the integrated solar flare index (SFI) and the global temperature anomaly (GTA) both follow Lévy walk statistics with the same waiting-time exponent μ≈2.1. However, their analysis does not account for trends in the signal, cannot deal correctly with infinite variance processes (Lévy flights), and suffers from considering only the second moment. Our analysis shows that properly detrended, the integrated SFI is well described as a Lévy flight, and the integrated GTA as a persistent fractional Brownian motion. These very different stochastic properties of the solar and climate records do not support the hypothesis of a sun-climate complexity linking.
http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v104/i12/e128501
Lots of big scientific words there Hans. But in short, the early study finding a correlation was flawed and drew incorrect conclusions.
You can't disprove one science with more science! That's like cheating.
Quote from: viper37 on March 06, 2012, 01:50:16 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 05, 2012, 11:47:57 PM
What is this mythical global warming they are talking about? There hasn't been any in the last 15 years, nor has there been any abnormal warming trends since the end of the "little ice age".
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
Yes...but who is doing the lying? :hmm:
And actually truth is not that big of a mortal enemy because it gets lost in all the background noise.
Anyway I am not really clear if Hans is saying 'yes there is climate change but it is natural and good' or 'no there is no significant climate change at all'. I think he is saying the later but even if it was it would be natural and a good thing or something like that.
Quote from: Valmy on March 06, 2012, 02:49:10 PM
or 'no there is no significant climate change at all'.
I think he is saying the later but even if it was it would be natural and a good thing or something like that.
I keep hearing the same argument from so-called right-wingers. They truly believe there's been no warming since the last 10-15 years (it changes depending on whom you talk to). Someone said so without real evidence, and now they believe it.
Well clearly it's the extremely organized cabal of scientists around the world who are lying.
There you have it. The sun has nothing to do with our climate. :)
Quote from: Jacob on March 06, 2012, 01:21:23 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 06, 2012, 01:11:55 PM
One thing that Hans is correct about is that there is no evidence whatsoever that climate change is caused by anything unnatural.
Especially if you consider human activity natural.
Of course it is. Anything that happens anywhere in the universe is, by definition, natural.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 06, 2012, 06:08:16 AM
Quote from: HVC on March 05, 2012, 03:21:51 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on March 05, 2012, 03:20:03 PM
'Coche'. 'Carro' and 'caro' don't sound anywhere near the same. 'Carro' has a strong 'r', which most foreigners cannot pronounce.
I did see some ice a couple weeks ago while driving through some mountain passes. Didn't have any hockey equipment handy though.
trust me, to someone who doesn't pseak spanish or portuguese it would sound the same :lol: Carro just has a (more) rolled r.
Emphasis mine ;) It explains a lot about you :lol:
Foreigners would actually hear a difference but would not be able to pronounce the strong trilled r or even the soft one. :contract:
Nor would be bother. Espanol* y Portugues son linguas inferiores.
*Ves lo que hice alli? Y alli? Y alli? Heh.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 06, 2012, 03:03:20 PM
There you have it. The sun has nothing to do with our climate. :)
:D
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 06, 2012, 03:03:20 PM
There you have it. The sun has nothing to do with our climate. :)
That is sure a relief.
Quote from: Neil on March 06, 2012, 03:14:39 PM
Quote from: Jacob on March 06, 2012, 01:21:23 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 06, 2012, 01:11:55 PM
One thing that Hans is correct about is that there is no evidence whatsoever that climate change is caused by anything unnatural.
Especially if you consider human activity natural.
Of course it is. Anything that happens anywhere in the universe is, by definition, natural.
Urges. Urges are unnatural.