Dozens of women tweeting that Chris Brown could beat them any day. Words fail me.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/horrible-reactions-to-chris-brown-at-the-grammys (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/horrible-reactions-to-chris-brown-at-the-grammys)
Meh, I don't find anything particularly offensive in that. Many men would have sex with various objectionable female celebrities. I don't buy the whole "women should look out for each other" attitude.
Quote from: Brazen on February 13, 2012, 07:25:50 AM
Dozens of women tweeting that Chris Brown could beat them any day. Words fail me.
Girl, you'd let Chris Brown beat you down too, if it meant scoring access to his bank account.
And don't say you wouldn't, because you'd be lying.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 13, 2012, 08:27:21 AM
Quote from: Brazen on February 13, 2012, 07:25:50 AM
Dozens of women tweeting that Chris Brown could beat them any day. Words fail me.
if it meant scoring access to his bank account.
Nail on the head.
They're not only their own worst enemies, their each others worst enemies too. Woman love to put other woman down. A world run by women would be peaceful my ass.
As a slight aside I'm getting tired of my female coworkers causing drama.
Aren't people generally their own worst enemies?
Quote from: Martinus on February 13, 2012, 08:19:08 AM
Meh, I don't find anything particularly offensive in that. Many men would have sex with various objectionable female celebrities. I don't buy the whole "women should look out for each other" attitude.
Said men rarely express the desire to be beaten up just so they can have sex with said celebrities. Or even just be beaten up by them as the tweets imply.
Women should look out for themselves, then myths such as "The money and sex is worth the beating" or "He'll change if I can hold on to him" or "I must have deserved it, I'll be better from now on" wouldn't perpetuate themselves and threaten other vulnerable women.
Quote from: HVC on February 13, 2012, 08:43:35 AM
As a slight aside I'm getting tired of my female coworkers causing drama.
Want drama? Work with retired cops. They've got nothing else to do.
Quote from: Brazen on February 13, 2012, 08:48:28 AM
Said men rarely express the desire to be beaten up just so they can have sex with said celebrities.
Scarlett Johanssen can break a coffee mug over my head every day if she wants if it means having access to those panties.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 13, 2012, 08:27:21 AM
Girl, you'd let Chris Brown beat you down too, if it meant scoring access to his bank account.
And don't say you wouldn't, because you'd be lying.
I've never let anyone beat me, and not only have I never had sex with or been in a relationship with anyone for their money, I don't actually think I've been with anyone who earns more than me. Even on my paltry salary.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 13, 2012, 08:49:07 AM
Quote from: HVC on February 13, 2012, 08:43:35 AM
As a slight aside I'm getting tired off my female coworkers causing drama.
Want drama? Work with retired cops. They've got nothing else to do.
at least then i'd have the chance of getting shot to end the
Misery. Here I just get told both sides of a story I care nothing about. Over and over. Save me.
Quote from: Brazen on February 13, 2012, 08:50:49 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 13, 2012, 08:27:21 AM
Girl, you'd let Chris Brown beat you down too, if it meant scoring access to his bank account.
And don't say you wouldn't, because you'd be lying.
I've never let anyone beat me, and not only have I never had sex with or been in a relationship with anyone for their money, I don't actually think I've been with anyone who earns more than me. Even on my paltry salary.
You've been picking fruit from the wrong trees, baby.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 13, 2012, 08:50:39 AM
Quote from: Brazen on February 13, 2012, 08:48:28 AM
Said men rarely express the desire to be beaten up just so they can have sex with said celebrities.
Scarlett Johanssen can break a coffee mug over my head every day if she wants if it means having access to those panties.
Taylor Swift can pull my hair.
Even though her Grammy performance was like a bad hee haw drug trip.
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 13, 2012, 08:58:39 AM
Taylor Swift can pull my hair.
I'd be the cure to all her relationship ills.
Who's Chris Brown?:unsure:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 13, 2012, 09:08:09 AM
Who's Chris Brown?:unsure:
Crap R&B singer, best known for being convicted for beating the crap out of then-girlfriend Rihanna. Lip-synched through his dubious return to the Grammys at which we won best album. Lovely report by the New Yorker here:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2012/02/the-grammy-awards-what-was-that.html (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2012/02/the-grammy-awards-what-was-that.html)
QuoteWoman-beating rage-broccoli Chris Brown lip-synced his single "Turn Up The Music" (without being threatened by Sir Elton John) and danced roughly as well as a third-rate Chicago footwork dancer. He ended his performance by back-flipping off the stage, though sadly not off the earth.
Sadly gender stereotypes persist for a reason, sizeable minorities of both sexes 'get off' on playing those roles.
Given that I'm about to spend the entire day in domestic violence docket court I can confirm that women are indeed their own worst enemies, and that women like Brazen are practically in the minority.
Yup. I can think of worse things to do then get in a rassling cage match with Scarlett Johannsen AND Taylor Swift.
Quote from: mongers on February 13, 2012, 09:31:02 AM
Sadly gender stereotypes persist for a reason, sizeable minorities of both sexes 'get off' on playing those roles.
Well gender roles are not entirely negative, they work for alot of people just fine. The problem is when people get coerced into fitting them when they do not work for them.
But I am not sure what that has to do with expressing a desire to be beaten, that does not really fit into any established gender roles :P
Rihanna can beat me off every single moment of the day and the night, too. :perv:
Seriously though, how is it different from us guys saying we'd tap the ass of younger Karla Homolka, Amy Fisher, or Amanda Knox, even though we know they aren't exactly celebrity women we'd bring to our mothers. Same with celebrity women of dubious mental sanity and impulse control like Shannon Doherty (who is actually an infamous abusive partner and man-beater) or Megan Fox.
And anyway, these are the kind of women Chris Brown wouldn't even glimpse at if he rolls by them off the street, just like ugly chicks going to Justin Timberlake or Nick Carter's shows crying and begging he would marry them.
It's just fantasy. Women want to fuck bad boys, men want to fuck bad girls. And that some women have rape, hardcore submissive fantasies, and a couple of daddy issues aren't exactly breaking news either. Even serial killers have groupies wanting to have sex with them. However, in our Facebook and Twitter age it has become fashion to tweet these out to the rest of the world like it's nothing.
The main problem I have with this, is that some men could rationalize this as the buffoonesque belief that women, deep down, want men to beat them, that being abusive is "being alpha" (god I hate that expression). There is a danger to trivialize abusive relationships: if the woman doesn't leave the relationship, it's because she wants it and likes it that way (when in fact she's shit-scared for her life if she leaves).
Goddamn, Drakken, stop editing your posts; this is the 3rd time I've clicked "New" on this thread, and they've all be you self-editing your fucking post-doc manuscript. Damn.
Quote from: Drakken on February 13, 2012, 10:18:37 AM
The main problem I have with this, is that some men could rationalize this as the buffoonesque belief that women, deep down, want men to beat them, that being abusive is "being alpha" (god I hate that expression). There is a danger to trivialize abusive relationships: if the woman doesn't leave the relationship, it's because she wants it and likes it that way (when in fact she's shit-scared for her life if she leaves).
http://www.theonion.com/articles/whos-a-girl-gotta-fuck-to-get-some-closure-on-her,11231/
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 13, 2012, 10:44:04 AM
Goddamn, Drakken, stop editing your posts; this is the 3rd time I've clicked "New" on this thread, and they've all be you self-editing your fucking post-doc manuscript. Damn.
He's adding notes from the seduction community.
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 13, 2012, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 13, 2012, 10:44:04 AM
Goddamn, Drakken, stop editing your posts; this is the 3rd time I've clicked "New" on this thread, and they've all be you self-editing your fucking post-doc manuscript. Damn.
He's adding notes from the seduction community.
Fuck the seduction community.
Garbon is better at it than you. :lol:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 13, 2012, 09:08:09 AM
Who's Chris Brown?:unsure:
This was my question. I thought it he was the guy did that "Catch a Predator", thing.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 13, 2012, 10:44:04 AM
Goddamn, Drakken, stop editing your posts; this is the 3rd time I've clicked "New" on this thread, and they've all be you self-editing your fucking post-doc manuscript. Damn.
Even with all the edits, that boy has some issues.
Quote from: Brazen on February 13, 2012, 08:48:28 AM
Said men rarely express the desire to be beaten up just so they can have sex with said celebrities.
That's because women usually do not beat men. Now find a hot rich gay guy who is into domestic violence, and you will have homos lining up. And I'm pretty sure that if you had a violent rich female celebrity, she would have lots of guys wanting to be her boyfriend too.
Quote from: Martinus on February 13, 2012, 02:11:58 PM
That's because women usually do not beat men.
That is oh so very untrue.
Quote from: Martinus on February 13, 2012, 02:11:58 PM
Quote from: Brazen on February 13, 2012, 08:48:28 AM
Said men rarely express the desire to be beaten up just so they can have sex with said celebrities.
That's because women usually do not beat men. Now find a hot rich gay guy who is into domestic violence, and you will have homos lining up. And I'm pretty sure that if you had a violent rich female celebrity, she would have lots of guys wanting to be her boyfriend too.
through in lisa mennilli and you get gay guys who are willing to get beat up to be witha woman.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 13, 2012, 02:14:06 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 13, 2012, 02:11:58 PM
That's because women usually do not beat men.
That is oh so very untrue.
Yeah but even if they do they do not get a reputation like Chris Brown. Their reputation is that they are emotionally unstable or psycho or something.
Quote from: Valmy on February 13, 2012, 02:15:39 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 13, 2012, 02:14:06 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 13, 2012, 02:11:58 PM
That's because women usually do not beat men.
That is oh so very untrue.
Yeah but even if they do they do not get a reputation like Chris Brown. Their reputation is that they are emotionally unstable or psycho or something.
or if she kills him that he deserved it.
For the record, based on anecdotal evidence, I was surprised how common domestic violence is in gay relationships. I guess I am not sure if it qualifies as domestic violence per se, as this is usually more like a brawl, but I have known several gay male couples who beat each other more than once (and I mean stuff like black eyes and whatnot).
Nah, that's just an Eastern Europe thing. It goes hand in hand with the always being drunk thing.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 13, 2012, 02:14:06 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 13, 2012, 02:11:58 PM
That's because women usually do not beat men.
That is oh so very untrue.
Except it is true. Female on male domestic violence does happen - I've prosecuted some cases, but it is rare. I just got back from my day in domestic violence court and there was perhaps one woman on the docket.
Anecdotally, I've see more cases of DV in female same sex relationships than in male same sex relationships, but I don't know if I can draw any wider conclusions from that observation - it may be that lesbians are more likely to be in longer-term relationships than gays.
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2012, 02:46:30 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 13, 2012, 02:14:06 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 13, 2012, 02:11:58 PM
That's because women usually do not beat men.
That is oh so very untrue.
Except it is true. Female on male domestic violence does happen - I've prosecuted some cases, but it is rare. I just got back from my day in domestic violence court and there was perhaps one woman on the docket.
Anecdotally, I've see more cases of DV in female same sex relationships than in male same sex relationships, but I don't know if I can draw any wider conclusions from that observation - it may be that lesbians are more likely to be in longer-term relationships than gays.
A lot of reports that I've read suggest that women are every bit as likely to commit domestic abuse as men, but men are even more reluctant to report being assaulted by their wives than women are to report being assaulted by their husbands. And women are more likely to slap, rather than strike with a closed fist, so they are less likely to leave visible injuries that will attrack attention from 3rd parties.
Yeah, I think reporting is the main reason for discrepancy. Also, chicks don't hit as hard.
I'd like to be with a violent woman who weighs 50-60% as me. As long as she sticks to fists; knives and frying pans not so much.
Quote from: dps on February 13, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
A lot of reports that I've read suggest that women are every bit as likely to commit domestic abuse as men, but men are even more reluctant to report being assaulted by their wives than women are to report being assaulted by their husbands. And women are more likely to slap, rather than strike with a closed fist, so they are less likely to leave visible injuries that will attrack attention from 3rd parties.
You have a source on that? Because I've never read that (quite the opposite really), and I do a lot of work in that field.
Quote from: dps on February 13, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
A lot of reports that I've read suggest that women are every bit as likely to commit domestic abuse as men
That runs contrary to everything I have read on the subject.
Quote from: Martinus on February 13, 2012, 02:25:28 PM
For the record, based on anecdotal evidence, I was surprised how common domestic violence is in gay relationships. I guess I am not sure if it qualifies as domestic violence per se, as this is usually more like a brawl, but I have known several gay male couples who beat each other more than once (and I mean stuff like black eyes and whatnot).
I'm not really surprised. I'd also think that individual instances would be nastier given that it would be more of a two-sided fight than man vs. woman domestic violence.
Quote from: derspiess on February 13, 2012, 04:26:00 PM
I'm not really surprised. I'd also think that individual instances would be nastier given that it would be more of a two-sided fight than man vs. woman domestic violence.
Yeah, I am not sure why anyone would expect gay men to be any less violent on average then other men in their domestic relationships.
Quote from: Razgovory on February 13, 2012, 03:04:18 PM
Yeah, I think reporting is the main reason for discrepancy. Also, chicks don't hit as hard.
...to the point where some instances would be a bit 'iffy' in terms of being what I would consider domestic violence, e.g. my wife slaps me on the arm if I tease her but I think it's cute.
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2012, 02:46:30 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 13, 2012, 02:14:06 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 13, 2012, 02:11:58 PM
That's because women usually do not beat men.
That is oh so very untrue.
Anecdotally, I've see more cases of DV in female same sex relationships than in male same sex relationships, but I don't know if I can draw any wider conclusions from that observation - it may be that lesbians are more likely to be in longer-term relationships than gays.
Very interesting here.
Quote from: derspiess on February 13, 2012, 04:30:16 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 13, 2012, 03:04:18 PM
Yeah, I think reporting is the main reason for discrepancy. Also, chicks don't hit as hard.
...to the point where some instances would be a bit 'iffy' in terms of being what I would consider domestic violence, e.g. my wife slaps me on the arm if I tease her but I think it's cute.
Yeah. Most guys aren't going to report a slap on the face to the police. Perhaps part of it is machismo but another part is that men are simply stronger then women. A woman slapping a man isn't likely to do much damage, but if a guy backhands his wife he could do some serious damage to her. Of course that's not always true. Some women are pretty strong and can beat the crap out of their husbands or boyfriends. But usually not.
Quote from: Razgovory on February 13, 2012, 08:09:28 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 13, 2012, 04:30:16 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 13, 2012, 03:04:18 PM
Yeah, I think reporting is the main reason for discrepancy. Also, chicks don't hit as hard.
...to the point where some instances would be a bit 'iffy' in terms of being what I would consider domestic violence, e.g. my wife slaps me on the arm if I tease her but I think it's cute.
Yeah. Most guys aren't going to report a slap on the face to the police. Perhaps part of it is machismo but another part is that men are simply stronger then women. A woman slapping a man isn't likely to do much damage, but if a guy backhands his wife he could do some serious damage to her. Of course that's not always true. Some women are pretty strong and can beat the crap out of their husbands or boyfriends. But usually not.
Dont underestimate a 5' 3", 110 lbs woman. Add alcohol and/or jacked up on some shit, you can have your hands full.
I'd be afraid to whack someone I was in a relationship with. They have access to your stuff ...and to you sleeping.
If you "whacked" them you wouldn't have to worry about all that... :ph34r:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 13, 2012, 08:56:16 PM
If you "whacked" them you wouldn't have to worry about all that... :ph34r:
If you take that meaning of the word, probably got a whoooole 'nother set of problems coming your way.
Quote from: rufweed on February 13, 2012, 08:50:37 PM
I'd be afraid to whack someone I was in a relationship with. They have access to your stuff ...and to you sleeping.
That's why it is important to maintain personal space. He doesn't belong living in my apt.
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2012, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: dps on February 13, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
A lot of reports that I've read suggest that women are every bit as likely to commit domestic abuse as men, but men are even more reluctant to report being assaulted by their wives than women are to report being assaulted by their husbands. And women are more likely to slap, rather than strike with a closed fist, so they are less likely to leave visible injuries that will attrack attention from 3rd parties.
You have a source on that? Because I've never read that (quite the opposite really), and I do a lot of work in that field.
Not really, I read it in seveal news articles back when domestic violence was first becoming a widely reported thing, say 25-30 years ago--I don't remember this long after the fact which papers or newsmags I read it in.
Or given CC's comment, maybe you Canadians just have your women more under control than American men do. Or you're just in denial about the bruises all over your body.
Bullshit. I've been a cop and a bail bondsman, and everybody beats the shit out of one another, regardless of gender or sexual orientation.
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2012, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: dps on February 13, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
A lot of reports that I've read suggest that women are every bit as likely to commit domestic abuse as men, but men are even more reluctant to report being assaulted by their wives than women are to report being assaulted by their husbands. And women are more likely to slap, rather than strike with a closed fist, so they are less likely to leave visible injuries that will attrack attention from 3rd parties.
You have a source on that? Because I've never read that (quite the opposite really), and I do a lot of work in that field.
Serious stuff, perhaps.
But I would be amazed if the actual assault/battery rate for women viz. men was not significantly higher than that for men viz. women. Female A+B is as unremarkable as breathing air. A lot of women don't think twice about slapping or hitting their partner at a comparatively low level of intensity (that they often misjudge). Or maybe that was just Korea.
Of course, in Canada, you don't have prior consent, so a kiss goodnight is rape. But I mean in America, where things aren't retarded.
Quote from: Ideologue on February 13, 2012, 11:55:59 PM
A lot of women don't think twice about slapping or hitting their partner at a comparatively low level of intensity (that they often misjudge). Or maybe that was just Korea.
:lol:
That shit usually ends when you hit them back, dummy.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 13, 2012, 10:45:03 PM
Bullshit. I've been a cop and a bail bondsman, and everybody beats the shit out of one another, regardless of gender or sexual orientation.
Bullshit right back at you. Men are violent at a rate well in excess of women. Now men will easily assault other men as they assault women, but we don't get all that many women in for offences of violence.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 14, 2012, 12:34:29 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on February 13, 2012, 11:55:59 PM
A lot of women don't think twice about slapping or hitting their partner at a comparatively low level of intensity (that they often misjudge). Or maybe that was just Korea.
:lol:
That shit usually ends when you hit them back, dummy.
Bingo.
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2012, 02:46:30 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 13, 2012, 02:14:06 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 13, 2012, 02:11:58 PM
That's because women usually do not beat men.
That is oh so very untrue.
Except it is true. Female on male domestic violence does happen - I've prosecuted some cases, but it is rare. I just got back from my day in domestic violence court and there was perhaps one woman on the docket.
Anecdotally, I've see more cases of DV in female same sex relationships than in male same sex relationships, but I don't know if I can draw any wider conclusions from that observation - it may be that lesbians are more likely to be in longer-term relationships than gays.
Don't you think that in both cases (female on male violence and male on male violence) the issue is influenced by the reporting rates and not simply actual occurence rates per se. Men who are being beaten by women often fail to report because they are ashamed/embarassed, and gay males probably view it more in terms of a brawl. Plus in both cases, the police are more likely to ignore the matter.
Now, there is a much greater awareness among female victims that one should not put up with violence, so you have high reporting rates among women in both types of relationships.
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2012, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: dps on February 13, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
A lot of reports that I've read suggest that women are every bit as likely to commit domestic abuse as men, but men are even more reluctant to report being assaulted by their wives than women are to report being assaulted by their husbands. And women are more likely to slap, rather than strike with a closed fist, so they are less likely to leave visible injuries that will attrack attention from 3rd parties.
You have a source on that? Because I've never read that (quite the opposite really), and I do a lot of work in that field.
I read a number of articles/editorials in serious newspapers that quote reporting rates as a large source of discrepancy - because men are embarassed to report and they are often looked down upon by the police even if they do. Now, I am not sure about the occurence rates being equal but they definitely are different than would be apparent from reporting rates.
Plus it is generally more socially acceptable to use "minor violence" against men (such as slapping, throwing single punches and the like) than vice versa.
Quote from: Razgovory on February 13, 2012, 03:04:18 PM
Also, chicks don't hit as hard.
I've met Mr. and Mrs. Barrister Boy and I'm fairly sure Mr. Barrister Boy would be toast. :ph34r:
Quote from: garbon on February 13, 2012, 09:42:57 PM
Quote from: rufweed on February 13, 2012, 08:50:37 PM
I'd be afraid to whack someone I was in a relationship with. They have access to your stuff ...and to you sleeping.
That's why it is important to maintain personal space. He doesn't belong living in my apt.
True. :bowler:
Quote from: Barrister on February 14, 2012, 12:48:57 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 13, 2012, 10:45:03 PM
Bullshit. I've been a cop and a bail bondsman, and everybody beats the shit out of one another, regardless of gender or sexual orientation.
Bullshit right back at you. Men are violent at a rate well in excess of women. Now men will easily assault other men as they assault women, but we don't get all that many women in for offences of violence.
Lesbians beat the shit out of their women as much as men beat their shit out of women.
Like you've even met a lesbian up there at Fort Sedgwick.
A quick google search turns up some interesting research in this area.
For those wishing to follow up here is an abstract from one study that provides a decent starting point.
QuoteWithin the study of intimate partner violence (IPV), controversy exists over whether perpetration and victimization of domestic violence is gender specific (gendered). Some researchers maintain no or few gender differences in IPV offending and victimization, particularly at less severe levels. Others argue that IPV is highly gendered and perpetrated largely by men against their female partners and expartners. Using officially collected data (through pretrial services and police reports) in a large Midwestern city, this study examined 2,670 IPV cases of which 14% had female defendants. This study was an effort to further clarify the debate regarding gender differences and similarities in reports of perpetration, victimization, context, and consequences of IPV. The two political and research perspectives that guide this debate, the family violence and feminist perspectives, are also discussed.
http://cjb.sagepub.com/content/30/3/328.abstract
Quote from: 11B4V on February 13, 2012, 08:34:52 PM
Dont underestimate a 5' 3", 110 lbs woman. Add alcohol and/or jacked up on some shit, you can have your hands full.
Sounds hot. :blush: