Just terrible :mad:
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/06/10332533-entire-staff-to-be-replaced-at-la-school-where-2-teachers-were-arrested
QuoteUpdated at 12:54 a.m. ET: The Los Angeles Unified School District is replacing the entire staff of Miramonte Elementary following the arrest of two teachers on lewd conduct charges last week, Superintendent John Deasy told parents at a meeting Monday night, the Los Angeles Times reported.
Positions will be filled by qualified teachers and other workers already on a placement or rehiring list, the Times report stated. But the displacement of the current staff could be temporary, according to the report.
Teacher Mark Berndt was charged last week with committing lewd acts on 23 children. Another teacher, Martin Springer, was arrested Friday on suspicion of fondling two girls in his classroom.
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Deasy said staffers are being replaced because a full investigation of allegations is disruptive, and staffers require support to get through the scandal.
All employees will be paid during the investigation, district spokesman Tom Waldman said. Officials didn't know how long the investigation will take.
There will also be a psychiatric social worker in every classroom to help students and staff cope with any issues that need to be dealt with.
United Teachers Los Angeles said in a statement that union leaders and staff have met with instructors at Miramonte.
"We support a thorough, vigorous and fair investigation of all allegations," the statement said. "It's everyone's responsibility to ensure that any and all allegations are thoughtfully and carefully investigated."
Maria Jimenez, 51, said the parents of children enrolled at Miramonte are divided over the move. "Some are in favor. Others are against it because they did this without advising us or consulting us," she said.
Many children stayed home Monday while parents demanded more protection at an elementary school where two teachers are suspected of molesting students in class.
More than a quarter of the students at Miramonte Elementary School were absent, with attendance reaching just 72 percent, according to figures from the Los Angeles Unified School District.
Updated at 12:54 a.m. ET: The Los Angeles Unified School District is replacing the entire staff of Miramonte Elementary following the arrest of two teachers on lewd conduct charges last week, Superintendent John Deasy told parents at a meeting Monday night, the Los Angeles Times reported.
Positions will be filled by qualified teachers and other workers already on a placement or rehiring list, the Times report stated. But the displacement of the current staff could be temporary, according to the report.
Teacher Mark Berndt was charged last week with committing lewd acts on 23 children. Another teacher, Martin Springer, was arrested Friday on suspicion of fondling two girls in his classroom.
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Deasy said staffers are being replaced because a full investigation of allegations is disruptive, and staffers require support to get through the scandal.
All employees will be paid during the investigation, district spokesman Tom Waldman said. Officials didn't know how long the investigation will take.
There will also be a psychiatric social worker in every classroom to help students and staff cope with any issues that need to be dealt with.
United Teachers Los Angeles said in a statement that union leaders and staff have met with instructors at Miramonte.
"We support a thorough, vigorous and fair investigation of all allegations," the statement said. "It's everyone's responsibility to ensure that any and all allegations are thoughtfully and carefully investigated."
Maria Jimenez, 51, said the parents of children enrolled at Miramonte are divided over the move. "Some are in favor. Others are against it because they did this without advising us or consulting us," she said.
Many children stayed home Monday while parents demanded more protection at an elementary school where two teachers are suspected of molesting students in class.
More than a quarter of the students at Miramonte Elementary School were absent, with attendance reaching just 72 percent, according to figures from the Los Angeles Unified School District.
About three dozen parents and supporters protested in front of the main doors of the school earlier Monday, some carrying a banner that read, "We the parents demand our children be protected from lewd teacher acts."
As night fell, about 100 angry parents marched from the elementary school to the nearby meeting with administrators.
School police watched and sheriff's deputies were on hand, but there was no violence.
The district set up a toll-free hotline on Monday to receive reports of suspected abuse at Miramonte, said school board President Monica Garcia in a statement.
Garcia added that the district would step up efforts to ensure students and staff realized the importance of reporting misconduct.
In the same school district, a janitor at a San Fernando Valley elementary school was arrested on suspicion of committing a lewd act with a child on a campus.
Paul Adame, 37, was taken into custody after a mother told police on Sunday that he had inappropriate contact with her child during school hours Friday at Germain Elementary School in the Chatsworth area north of Los Angeles, police Capt. Kris Pitcher said at a news conference.
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The captain declined to provide details but urged anyone who might know of other possible victims to contact police.
Adame was booked and released on $100,000 bail Monday. It could not be immediately determined if he had an attorney.
There was no immediate connection between the arrest of the janitor and the cases at Miramonte, which is 15 miles away in an unincorporated county area of South Los Angeles.
There was a story about another teacher (with about 30 years of tenure) recently, who apparently bound and gagged kids in the classroom for some sort of a "game", and then subsequently fed them what seemed like cum by a spoonfull, put cockroaches on their faces and taped the process.
Now that's creative, not some run of the mill molester.
Guess it takes a Pole or German to come up with that kind of 'fun'.
The guy was an American. :rolleyes:
Male teachers tend to be perverts, this isn't news.
We usually know nothing about who teachers really are, but yet happily hand over our children to these strangers for "education" most hours out of the day.
Heh, I never would've guessed Languish misanthropes would start acting hysterical over this story.
At least they were being labeled Catholics.
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on February 07, 2012, 11:51:04 AM
Heh, I never would've guessed Languish misanthropes would start acting hysterical over this story.
The way you phrased this sentence sounds like Languish misanthropes *did* act hysterical over this story. Was there another thread?
Quote from: Phillip V on February 07, 2012, 08:43:35 AM
We usually know nothing about who teachers really are, but yet happily hand over our children to these strangers for "education" most hours out of the day.
I'm not sure where you're going with this, or what point you're trying to make.
Quote from: DGuller on February 07, 2012, 12:22:39 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on February 07, 2012, 08:43:35 AM
We usually know nothing about who teachers really are, but yet happily hand over our children to these strangers for "education" most hours out of the day.
I'm not sure where you're going with this, or what point you're trying to make.
Homeschooling is the way of the future. :yes:
Quote from: sbr on February 07, 2012, 06:29:52 PM
Quote from: DGuller on February 07, 2012, 12:22:39 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on February 07, 2012, 08:43:35 AM
We usually know nothing about who teachers really are, but yet happily hand over our children to these strangers for "education" most hours out of the day.
I'm not sure where you're going with this, or what point you're trying to make.
Homeschooling is the way of the future. :yes:
:yes:
Teach your kids to ride, to shoot a bow and never tell a lie.
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People who even consider homeschooling their children should be shot in the head. I have never met a well adjusted individual who was homeschooled.
How many homeschooled people have you met? :hmm: I'm not sure I've met any, personally.
I have only met two families of homeschooled kids, that latter of which I spent two social occasions with. The children were well-adjusted and actually acted much more mature for their ages, seeking adult conversation and being able to sustain it.
Kids who spend a lot of time with other kids are usually idiots and are immature as long as they are kept in these unnatural social environments (schooling until mid 20's is now becoming the norm).
Now, I assume the "problem" homeschooled kids are usually the ones with disabilities or extremist parents (religious fundamentalists, etc.).
Quote from: Martinus on February 10, 2012, 05:25:58 AM
People who even consider homeschooling their children should be shot in the head. I have never met a well adjusted individual who was homeschooled.
Homeschooling isn't necessarily a bad thing. It all depends on how the homeschooling is done. They can meet people, and socialise with their peers even if they are homeschooled. It isn't like the public schools are always the better option, especially with the triad infested ones.
Quote from: Martinus on February 10, 2012, 05:25:58 AM
People who even consider homeschooling their children should be shot in the head. I have never met a well adjusted individual who was homeschooled.
A foot fetishist who has delusions that he is a lawyer, yeah you are well adjusted :lmfao:
Mart, IIRC kat was homeschooled. :)
Quote from: Phillip V on February 10, 2012, 06:42:02 AM
Now, I assume the "problem" homeschooled kids are usually the ones with disabilities or extremist parents (religious fundamentalists, etc.).
So what you're saying is that this is an issue which can't be judged in completely black and white terms? :o
Quote from: Caliga on February 10, 2012, 07:41:29 AM
Mart, IIRC kat was homeschooled. :)
As was the dearly departed Rocky Horror.
Quote from: Phillip V on February 10, 2012, 06:42:02 AM
I have only met two families of homeschooled kids, that latter of which I spent two social occasions with. The children were well-adjusted and actually acted much more mature for their ages, seeking adult conversation and being able to sustain it.
Kids who spend a lot of time with other kids are usually idiots and are immature as long as they are kept in these unnatural social environments (schooling until mid 20's is now becoming the norm).
Now, I assume the "problem" homeschooled kids are usually the ones with disabilities or extremist parents (religious fundamentalists, etc.).
A guy I've known and worked with for years has his daughter home-chooled by his wife (who happened to be a teacher before the pregnancy, so there's an asterisk right there), but part of their program is that they bury the kid in social activities with peers during down time and on the weekends; she seems pretty fucking well-adjusted to me.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 10, 2012, 07:51:30 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on February 10, 2012, 06:42:02 AM
I have only met two families of homeschooled kids, that latter of which I spent two social occasions with. The children were well-adjusted and actually acted much more mature for their ages, seeking adult conversation and being able to sustain it.
Kids who spend a lot of time with other kids are usually idiots and are immature as long as they are kept in these unnatural social environments (schooling until mid 20's is now becoming the norm).
Now, I assume the "problem" homeschooled kids are usually the ones with disabilities or extremist parents (religious fundamentalists, etc.).
A guy I've known and worked with for years has his daughter home-chooled by his wife (who happened to be a teacher before the pregnancy, so there's an asterisk right there), but part of their program is that they bury the kid in social activities with peers during down time and on the weekends; she seems pretty fucking well-adjusted to me.
That's the plan that I am pursuing. In many states, homeschooled kids are allowed to use public school laboratories/facilities for science requirements and are also able to play on local school sports teams such as football and soccer, Tim Tebow being a recent "famous" example.
Quote from: katmai on February 10, 2012, 07:18:23 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 10, 2012, 05:25:58 AM
People who even consider homeschooling their children should be shot in the head. I have never met a well adjusted individual who was homeschooled.
A foot fetishist who has delusions that he is a lawyer, yeah you are well adjusted :lmfao:
As opposed to a single guy living in a hut in Alaska? :lol:
Not to mention, a claim that children are more likely to be molested at school than at home must be one of the more ignorant ones I've ever heard.
Most cases of child molesting are perpetrated by close family. At least teachers are supposedly subject to a supervision and periodic evaluation.
Quote from: Martinus on February 10, 2012, 08:23:14 AM
Not to mention, a claim that children are more likely to be molested at school than at home must be one of the more ignorant ones I've ever heard.
Most cases of child molesting are perpetrated by close family. At least teachers are supposedly subject to a supervision and periodic evaluation.
False. You can be almost 100% certain if your kid is being homeschooled by a molester.
Quote from: Martinus on February 10, 2012, 08:12:14 AM
Quote from: katmai on February 10, 2012, 07:18:23 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 10, 2012, 05:25:58 AM
People who even consider homeschooling their children should be shot in the head. I have never met a well adjusted individual who was homeschooled.
A foot fetishist who has delusions that he is a lawyer, yeah you are well adjusted :lmfao:
As opposed to a single guy living in a hut in Alaska? :lol:
:huh: I forgot how ignorant you Polacks are, no i don't live in an igloo. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Martinus on February 10, 2012, 08:12:14 AM
As opposed to a single guy living in a hut in Alaska? :lol:
He gets to hang out with the movie industry. You just make your own drama.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on February 10, 2012, 09:18:57 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 07, 2012, 08:02:59 AM
Male teachers tend to be perverts, this isn't news.
:(
Which is why I never bothered pursuing an elementary or junior high teaching career. As much fun as it would be, it's not worth the stereotyping.
Quote from: Phillip V on February 10, 2012, 08:29:59 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 10, 2012, 08:23:14 AM
Not to mention, a claim that children are more likely to be molested at school than at home must be one of the more ignorant ones I've ever heard.
Most cases of child molesting are perpetrated by close family. At least teachers are supposedly subject to a supervision and periodic evaluation.
False. You can be almost 100% certain if your kid is being homeschooled by a molester.
:huh:
Anyway, I agree with Marti here. Most home school kids that transitioned to public school were weird. And it wasn't just a they were new thing as wasn't the same case with catholic school kids who transitioned over.
Well, you'd know for sure if you were doing it, barring some kind of multiple personality disorder or something similar. It's possible your spouse could hide it from you, but that generally requires wanting not to see.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 10, 2012, 12:11:04 PM
Well, you'd know for sure if you were doing it, barring some kind of multiple personality disorder or something similar. It's possible your spouse could hide it from you, but that generally requires wanting not to see.
But Marti didn't say that the parents weren't aware in that case. He was saying that a child is more likely to be molested at home than at school.
Quote from: garbon on February 10, 2012, 12:12:47 PM
But Marti didn't say that the parents weren't aware in that case. He was saying that a child is more likely to be molested at home than at school.
And Phil's counter is that one's own kid is more likely to be molested at school, if they aren't doing the molesting or enabling it.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 10, 2012, 12:15:44 PM
And Phil's counter is that one's own kid is more likely to be molested at school, if they aren't doing the molesting or enabling it.
Bayesian probability. :nerd:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 10, 2012, 12:15:44 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 10, 2012, 12:12:47 PM
But Marti didn't say that the parents weren't aware in that case. He was saying that a child is more likely to be molested at home than at school.
And Phil's counter is that one's own kid is more likely to be molested at school, if they aren't doing the molesting or enabling it.
How is that relevant though?
Quote from: garbon on February 10, 2012, 12:19:50 PM
How is that relevant though?
"If a non-molesting parent wanted to minimize the chances of his/her child being molested, should he/she home school or not?"
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 10, 2012, 12:21:08 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 10, 2012, 12:19:50 PM
How is that relevant though?
"If a non-molesting parent wanted to minimize the chances of his/her child being molested, should he/she home school or not?"
You can ask the question after the fact to make the statement relevant?
Quote from: garbon on February 10, 2012, 12:24:26 PM
You can ask the question after the fact to make the statement relevant?
No clue what you're trying to say.
Huh? WTF is your problem with Kat and RH Marty? :lol:
You just have to shit on them to make your weak point work?
Quote from: Valmy on February 10, 2012, 12:28:43 PM
Huh? WTF is your problem with Kat and RH Marty? :lol:
You just have to shit on them to make your weak point work?
I thought he was Polish :huh:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 10, 2012, 12:11:04 PMIt's possible your spouse could hide it from you, but that generally requires wanting not to see.
which happens frequently enough (among molestation at home situations, not in general..). i mean, consider all those cases where one parent molests the children, and the other is shocked when they find out the truth. it's easily not the 100% phil threw out, and not worthy of an italicized "possible," imo
anyway, re: thread- i love how they dismissed the whole staff.
we must purge this place to its very core. is it because the superintendent doesn't understand pedophilia, or did he really think this would appease the parents?
Quote from: LaCroix on February 10, 2012, 01:06:21 PM
which happens frequently enough (among molestation at home situations, not in general..). i mean, consider all those cases where one parent molests the children, and the other is shocked when they find out the truth. it's easily not the 100% phil threw out, and not worthy of an italicized "possible," imo
Not nearly as frequently as cases where the other acts shocked but really should have known, I'd wager.
At any rate, a parent who's going to molest his or her child will do it whether the kid is homeschooled or not. So it doesn't make much sense to compare the rates, the risk of the teacher molesting them is all extra. Not that I think that risk is significant enough that I would pull my own kids out of school.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 10, 2012, 01:35:04 PM
Quote from: LaCroix on February 10, 2012, 01:06:21 PM
which happens frequently enough (among molestation at home situations, not in general..). i mean, consider all those cases where one parent molests the children, and the other is shocked when they find out the truth. it's easily not the 100% phil threw out, and not worthy of an italicized "possible," imo
Not nearly as frequently as cases where the other acts shocked but really should have known, I'd wager.
At any rate, a parent who's going to molest his or her child will do it whether the kid is homeschooled or not. So it doesn't make much sense to compare the rates, the risk of the teacher molesting them is all extra. Not that I think that risk is significant enough that I would pull my own kids out of school.
oh, indeed. i included the "really should have known" with what i said. the subconscious catches way more than we often realize. kids act funny, body language of abuser/victim, etc
i don't really have a bone to pick in this argument over whether to homeschool or not, except to say that garbon/marty are right in regard to the "homeschooled kids are weird." it's natural, more often than not they will not have smart parents who know how to offset the disadvantages to it, and so they become strange people with little social skills
and yes, of course it is absolutely ridiculous to fear that one's child might be molested by a teacher if they put them in a public/private school. shit just happens. plane crashes, drunk driver kills your whole family, daughter is raped at a party.. etc.
Statistically, a child that isn't molested at home is much more likely to be molested by outsiders if he is molested.
Every home-schooled person I've met has been perfectly normal. I suspect Martinass' experience is just that he's meeting home-schooled Polacks.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 10, 2012, 12:26:04 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 10, 2012, 12:24:26 PM
You can ask the question after the fact to make the statement relevant?
No clue what you're trying to say.
No what had asked the question that you just asked...so I don't see how Philip's response to Marti made any sense.