No, it's not a fetish thing. :P
Do you consider it normal to require/expect guests to take their shoes off when attending a house party? I got into an argument about this recently (some guy claimed it is rude not to take your shoes off - I argued the opposite).
Whatever rules the host sets down.
That's stupid. The host should make the guests comfortable, not vice versa.
Generally I remove my shoes. But it depends on what sort of party it is.
Quote from: Martinus on January 22, 2012, 06:49:21 AM
That's stupid. The host should make the guests comfortable, not vice versa.
Make the guests comfortable by allowing them to track in all the mud, slush, spit and dog shit they've collected walking around outside?
Probably why I don't host parties.
Never been at a party where anyone took their shoes off.
Up to the host.
Some people have a rule with their family of no shoes inside the house. Other people think it slightly wrong but it isn't that big a deal. Others just go around in their shoes all the time and don't care.
Quote from: Tyr on January 22, 2012, 07:26:49 AM
Others just go around in their shoes all the time and don't care.
I used to do that when I was a kid, only took my shoes off when it was time for bed. Now I can't wait to get them off when I get home. So much more comfortable.
If I am visiting friends or family, do I always take of my shoes. However if it's a party I have been invited too, with some level of dress code do I always keep my shoes on. No need to show up wearing a nice pair of shoes only to take them off...
Depends on the host. In some situations (carpets, inclement weather) it makes sense to take shoes off.
Quote from: Martinus on January 22, 2012, 06:49:21 AM
That's stupid. The host should make the guests comfortable, not vice versa.
The guests aren't paying for my fucking carpet.
Point is, Marty, it is up to the host. There might be bigger considerations at play than your minimal drop in comfort (altough I couldn't feel comfortable trouncing around in muddy shoes on a nice carpet - that's just me I guess). Like, having to clean all the mess afterwards :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 22, 2012, 09:43:02 AM
The guests aren't paying for my fucking carpet.
You have a cat, your carpet is doomed anyway.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 22, 2012, 09:47:38 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 22, 2012, 09:43:02 AM
The guests aren't paying for my fucking carpet.
You have a cat, your carpet is doomed anyway.
I know how to take proper care of cats, so I never have that problem.
Besides, she is one militant motherfucker. Little shit will dig to China for 20 minutes in that box before she does anything on the carpet.
Was also referring to scratching and shedding.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 22, 2012, 09:51:33 AM
Was also referring to scratching and shedding.
Like I said, I know the proper care and maintenance of cat herding.
She's declawed, and I groom her daily.
I don't want to see people's feet. yuk. Besides, I can isolate guests from the bedrooms, offices, the basement and Angertorium. 5 minutes with a swiffer and everything is off the hardwoods.
It depends, if it's the same shoes that you wore outside? Take them off. Feel free to put a clean pair on.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 22, 2012, 09:53:17 AM
I don't want to see people's feet. yuk. Besides, I can isolate guests from the bedrooms, offices, the basement and Angertorium. 5 minutes with a swiffer and everything is off the hardwoods.
I don't take off my socks.
I hate feet, not a day goes by when I don't wish for hooves, so there's never any risk of me exposing my feet unless necessary.
I hate it when guests clog my toilets. USE THE PLUNGER ASSHOLES.
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 22, 2012, 10:03:11 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 22, 2012, 09:53:17 AM
I don't want to see people's feet. yuk. Besides, I can isolate guests from the bedrooms, offices, the basement and Angertorium. 5 minutes with a swiffer and everything is off the hardwoods.
I don't take off my socks.
I hate feet, not a day goes by when I don't wish for hooves, so there's never any risk of me exposing my feet unless necessary.
*takes Sheilbh off the List(tm)* <_<
Quote from: Martinus on January 22, 2012, 10:10:07 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 22, 2012, 10:03:11 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 22, 2012, 09:53:17 AM
I don't want to see people's feet. yuk. Besides, I can isolate guests from the bedrooms, offices, the basement and Angertorium. 5 minutes with a swiffer and everything is off the hardwoods.
I don't take off my socks.
I hate feet, not a day goes by when I don't wish for hooves, so there's never any risk of me exposing my feet unless necessary.
*takes Sheilbh off the List(tm)* <_<
If people had hooves Marty would have died of Hoof and Mouth disease years ago.
In our family we all take shoes off at the door unless we're going right back outside. But if I'm having guests over I wouldn't ask them to take their shoes off, and truth be told I'd prefer they keep them on. When I'm hosting a party, me and my wife will also both have shoes on.
Maybe it's just my parents being formal/fastidious, but there is a certain, I dunno "informality" to walking around with your shoes off. I'll do it when it's just me and my family or close friends even because it avoids tracking stuff through the house, but at a large hosted party I'd feel way out of place to be walking around with socks or barefoot and would prefer my guests be wearing shoes as well.
Normally take shoes off in people's homes. But if the party/dinner is at least a bit posh you keep your shoes on (if it's dry and warm outside) or you bring nice shoes and change into them from your muddy winter boots or similar.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on January 22, 2012, 10:49:58 AM
In our family we all take shoes off at the door unless we're going right back outside. But if I'm having guests over I wouldn't ask them to take their shoes off, and truth be told I'd prefer they keep them on. When I'm hosting a party, me and my wife will also both have shoes on.
Maybe it's just my parents being formal/fastidious, but there is a certain, I dunno "informality" to walking around with your shoes off. I'll do it when it's just me and my family or close friends even because it avoids tracking stuff through the house, but at a large hosted party I'd feel way out of place to be walking around with socks or barefoot and would prefer my guests be wearing shoes as well.
Otto's got a point. Close friends and family is one thing; you going to tell your VP from work at your holiday open house to take off his shoes?
As a host I wouldn't say anything. I'd silently judge people who didn't follow my cue.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 22, 2012, 09:52:44 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 22, 2012, 09:51:33 AM
Was also referring to scratching and shedding.
Like I said, I know the proper care and maintenance of cat herding.
She's declawed, and I groom her daily.
Fascinating. "You're a pretty girl. PRETTY. GIRL."
You realize they're auto-cleaning, right?
Anyway, we do all understand that this question is about Martinus wanting to show off his $500 shoes at party, and being conspicuous consumption-blocked?
Nothing wrong with $500 shoes. I have a pair of Allen Edmonds I bought for $500 years ago, and this (http://zapp.me/118505) pair I bought over Christmas.
Thing is, Allen Edmonds aren't just any other shoe you buy for a year. They are extremely well made and can be professionally resoled for a very reasonable price. Many people will keep a pair of Allen Edmonds for 20+ years.
Plus you're going to be a lawyer soon (or already are?) right? Need to get your head around nicer clothes.
I've got a pair of wingtips, I think they were about $120.
There's a lot of good wingtips that can be had at $120. But a lot of lawtalkers I know invest in nice shoes like A-Es. A lot of them spend a lot of hours pounding it in places with granite/marble floors that are hell on shoes. A nice pair that can be resoled periodically is actually an economical move.
Quote from: Ideologue on January 22, 2012, 03:03:26 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 22, 2012, 09:52:44 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 22, 2012, 09:51:33 AM
Was also referring to scratching and shedding.
Like I said, I know the proper care and maintenance of cat herding.
She's declawed, and I groom her daily.
Fascinating. "You're a pretty girl. PRETTY. GIRL."
You realize they're auto-cleaning, right?
And that's why people like you send cats to the pound to be put to sleep because of fur balls. I DONT KNOW WHY HE THROWS UP EVERYWHERE HES BROKEN
Oh, yeah, that's people like me, all right.
I'm moving into someone's fucking attic so that my cats won't die or get separated.
I think you mean "people like Korea": "No we can't take the cats even temporarily, even though it's my actions that brought the cats into the house originally, because [I resent you and wish you, and that which you care about, to suffer]."
I mean, it's not verbatim, but that's how I interpreted it.
My pair of shoes cost about 8 bucks. They were a gift from my sister when she worked at a shoe store. They are pretty beat up now though.
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My latest experiment: Man Uggs
If I asked guests to remove their shoes when they come over my place I'd get the weirdest stares ever.
Quote from: Ideologue on January 22, 2012, 03:34:39 PM
Oh, yeah, that's people like me, all right.
I'm moving into someone's fucking attic so that my cats won't die or get separated.
I think you mean "people like Korea": "No we can't take the cats even temporarily, even though it's my actions that brought the cats into the house originally, because [I resent you and wish you, and that which you care about, to suffer]."
I mean, it's not verbatim, but that's how I interpreted it.
At least you kept the right ones.
Quote from: The Larch on January 22, 2012, 04:25:50 PM
If I asked guests to remove their shoes when they come over my place I'd get the weirdest stares ever.
Yeah I guess this is one of those cultural divides.
I assume that Poland is largely unpaved.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 22, 2012, 01:07:51 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on January 22, 2012, 10:49:58 AM
In our family we all take shoes off at the door unless we're going right back outside. But if I'm having guests over I wouldn't ask them to take their shoes off, and truth be told I'd prefer they keep them on. When I'm hosting a party, me and my wife will also both have shoes on.
Maybe it's just my parents being formal/fastidious, but there is a certain, I dunno "informality" to walking around with your shoes off. I'll do it when it's just me and my family or close friends even because it avoids tracking stuff through the house, but at a large hosted party I'd feel way out of place to be walking around with socks or barefoot and would prefer my guests be wearing shoes as well.
Otto's got a point. Close friends and family is one thing; you going to tell your VP from work at your holiday open house to take off his shoes?
Yeah, at a formal affair, or a party that's not formal but happens to be large, I'd find it a bit strange if people were taking off their shoes. But at a small, casual gathering, taking off your shoes would be the norm.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 22, 2012, 10:09:27 AM
I hate it when guests clog my toilets. USE THE PLUNGER ASSHOLES.
Stop inviting people to your house if they're full of shit.
Among Russians, it's almost a universal rule that you take off your shoes when you enter someone's house, unless the host specifically tells you not to. That said, in my family, we usually let our guests keep their shoes.
Quote from: The Larch on January 22, 2012, 04:25:50 PM
If I asked guests to remove their shoes when they come over my place I'd get the weirdest stares ever.
Ditto.
L.
Quote from: DGuller on January 23, 2012, 01:46:17 AM
Among Russians, it's almost a universal rule that you take off your shoes when you enter someone's house, unless the host specifically tells you not to. That said, in my family, we usually let our guests keep their shoes.
You did that even after Chernobyl?
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on January 22, 2012, 03:29:37 PM
There's a lot of good wingtips that can be had at $120. But a lot of lawtalkers I know invest in nice shoes like A-Es. A lot of them spend a lot of hours pounding it in places with granite/marble floors that are hell on shoes. A nice pair that can be resoled periodically is actually an economical move.
I don't disagree. The heels on mine are torn up from having to wear them to various law school events and parking in a lot you would expect $70,000 in tuition per student would ensure was paved properly.
Quote from: The Larch on January 22, 2012, 04:25:50 PM
If I asked guests to remove their shoes when they come over my place I'd get the weirdest stares ever.
Ok now I feel good. So Russians expect guests to take their shoes off. Western Europeans don't (Brits don't count as they are weird).
So I was on the "civilization" side of the argument. I will make sure to mention this to that guy when I meet him next.
Quote from: Martinus on January 23, 2012, 04:14:45 AM
Ok now I feel good. So Russians expect guests to take their shoes off. Western Europeans don't (Brits don't count as they are weird).
So I was on the "civilization" side of the argument. I will make sure to mention this to that guy when I meet him next.
The Scandis and North Americans are with us!
It's another Northern European-Southern European divide :o
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 22, 2012, 01:18:00 PM
As a host I wouldn't say anything. I'd silently judge people who didn't follow my cue.
:yes:
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 23, 2012, 04:29:35 AM
Quote from: Martinus on January 23, 2012, 04:14:45 AM
Ok now I feel good. So Russians expect guests to take their shoes off. Western Europeans don't (Brits don't count as they are weird).
So I was on the "civilization" side of the argument. I will make sure to mention this to that guy when I meet him next.
The Scandis and North Americans are with us!
It's another Northern European-Southern European divide :o
Or a "snow on the street - No snow on the street" divide. :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 22, 2012, 01:07:51 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on January 22, 2012, 10:49:58 AM
In our family we all take shoes off at the door unless we're going right back outside. But if I'm having guests over I wouldn't ask them to take their shoes off, and truth be told I'd prefer they keep them on. When I'm hosting a party, me and my wife will also both have shoes on.
Maybe it's just my parents being formal/fastidious, but there is a certain, I dunno "informality" to walking around with your shoes off. I'll do it when it's just me and my family or close friends even because it avoids tracking stuff through the house, but at a large hosted party I'd feel way out of place to be walking around with socks or barefoot and would prefer my guests be wearing shoes as well.
Otto's got a point. Close friends and family is one thing; you going to tell your VP from work at your holiday open house to take off his shoes?
I wouldn't have to tell the VP (or government equivalent) to take his shoes off - he'd just automatically do it.
This is obviously a northern / southern divide. Look if I lived in Italy or Spain, where it never snowed, and you consequently have tile floors, then I'd have no problem with shoes in my house. But living in Canada, with the amount of snow and mud outside right now (and with our carpet floors) there's no way you're wearing your shoes in my house.
I take it as an affront if asked to do it. It's an offensive request. Unless the person is covered in mud or something. But then I'd hose them down in the driveway before letting them in.
I think it's rude not to take them off. Who knows what you stepped on in the street?
Presumably if you stepped in something in the street, you'd be responsible enough to clean it off yourself and not be a complete dick knowingly tracking over peoples' carpets. Making the assumption that you might be said dick and pre-emptively asking you to remove your shoes shows a lack of trust and is insulting to the guest. If I don't trust someone enough to not track dog shit in my house, I'm probably not letting them inside to begin with.
No matter how much you wipe your feet, you can never get rid of all the grime and dust or snow.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 23, 2012, 01:50:27 PM
Presumably if you stepped in something in the street, you'd be responsible enough to clean it off yourself and not be a complete dick knowingly tracking over peoples' carpets. Making the assumption that you might be said dick and pre-emptively asking you to remove your shoes shows a lack of trust and is insulting to the guest. If I don't trust someone enough to not track dog shit in my house, I'm probably not letting them inside to begin with.
In winter here it is simply not possible without truly heroic efforts to get the dirty, salty slush out of the treads of your footwear.
In winter the soles of my shoes are often the cleanest going. :spins aimlessly:
I forgot, where do you live MiM?
Reno.
Yes, I get plenty of snow here.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 23, 2012, 05:35:02 PM
Reno.
Yes, I get plenty of snow here.
Really? I didn't know that.
You are weird then.
We normally don't remove our shoes when going over to a friend/relative's house and never ask nor expect people to do so when visiting us. I will note, however, that our friend from Switzerland insisted on removing her shoes the last time she came over.
Perhaps, interestingly, I'd wager that 100% of the people (me included) who demand that visitors don't wear shoes on inside their homes don't think twice walking around carpeted hotel rooms with their dirty shoes on.
Fuck hotel corporations? :P
I wear very dirty socks, thus thwarting efforts to protect a carpet.
Quote from: Tonitrus on January 23, 2012, 11:21:01 PM
Perhaps, interestingly, I'd wager that 100% of the people (me included) who demand that visitors don't wear shoes on inside their homes don't think twice walking around carpeted hotel rooms with their dirty shoes on.
Fuck hotel corporations? :P
If you charged people to come into your house, I think they could justifiably feel entitled to wear whatever they wanted to.
Quote from: Ideologue on January 24, 2012, 12:15:44 AM
If you charged people to come into your house, I think they could justifiably feel entitled to wear whatever they wanted to.
No shirt, no shoes, no service.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 24, 2012, 01:15:50 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 24, 2012, 12:15:44 AM
If you charged people to come into your house, I think they could justifiably feel entitled to wear whatever they wanted to.
No shirt, no shoes, no service.
You go to some pretty strict hotels.
Actually thinking of my grandmother's condo. But they have rules about just about everything.
Quote from: Barrister on January 23, 2012, 02:23:05 PM
No matter how much you wipe your feet, you can never get rid of all the grime and dust or snow.
By the same token why don't you serve your food on paper plates and in plastic cups. After all, during a larger party someone is bound to break something and you have to clean up afterwards anyway. :rolleyes:
Removing shoes is for peons.
Gentlemen will reach party places by limousine, thus their shoes remain perfectly clean.
L.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 23, 2012, 08:03:32 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 23, 2012, 05:35:02 PM
Reno.
Yes, I get plenty of snow here.
Really? I didn't know that.
You are weird then.
This is Languish. Were all weird. :)
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 24, 2012, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 24, 2012, 11:51:27 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 23, 2012, 08:03:32 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 23, 2012, 05:35:02 PM
Reno.
Yes, I get plenty of snow here.
Really? I didn't know that.
You are weird then.
This is Languish. Were all weird. :)
or, alternatively, Yi.
I don't think it's mutually exclusive.
Quote from: Martinus on January 24, 2012, 07:21:40 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 23, 2012, 02:23:05 PM
No matter how much you wipe your feet, you can never get rid of all the grime and dust or snow.
By the same token why don't you serve your food on paper plates and in plastic cups. After all, during a larger party someone is bound to break something and you have to clean up afterwards anyway. :rolleyes:
Carbon footprint.
I've served food on paper plates(good strong ones, not the thin plop your food in your lap ones) before. I ain't breaking the fancy shit out for the plebs.
Quote from: Barrister on January 23, 2012, 09:42:42 AM
I wouldn't have to tell the VP (or government equivalent) to take his shoes off - he'd just automatically do it.
This is obviously a northern / southern divide. Look if I lived in Italy or Spain, where it never snowed, and you consequently have tile floors, then I'd have no problem with shoes in my house. But living in Canada, with the amount of snow and mud outside right now (and with our carpet floors) there's no way you're wearing your shoes in my house.
I have heard of it being a northern/southern divide before. I do recall in Sweden people seemed to be really strict about it. In the UK though...we tend towards taking shoes off but it isn't as huge a deal with many families not caring at all.
I also recall hearing there's something of a rural/urban divide at play too with folk from more rural places/cultures tending towards taking shoes off.
I like wearing shoes indoors and don't take mine off at a party unless everyone else is doing it, or I am conscious of my shoes being filthy from street conditions (slush, mud, etc.). Growing up, my mother made us take off our shoes coming in.
In Turkey, taking off your shoes at the door is mandatory at all times. Only slippers inside the house.
In HK, China and Japan etc, it is expected that all guests who enter someone else's home to remove their shoes. Always.
Quote from: Monoriu on January 25, 2012, 09:29:24 PM
In HK, China and Japan etc, it is expected that all guests who enter someone else's home to remove their shoes. Always.
In your own home even. Back when I was checking out my flat before moving in I went in with my shoes somewhat as I was carrying heavy bags and had to put them down- the Japanese people with me started screaming in horror.
I use slippers at home. I certainly would consider it quite rude if a guest went around in dirty outdoor shoes. When visiting others I follow the host's wishes on this matter.