I recently been spending some time with one of the local occupy groups, not especially taken part in anything, but have donated some stuff and I'm interested in it as its such a 'new' political phenomena.
This is just a thread to jot down some of my first impressions, I'm hoping to see what some of the other groups are up to and would be interested in what other languishite think of the 'activists' and groups they've met.
The first surprise it is it wasn't at all what I expected; me being a one national Tory I expected it to be a rather 'progressive' bunch of people, but it's not at all like that, if I had to single out a unifying or at least common thread between the majority of them, I'd describe them as the 'internet educated' generation.
By that I mean, despite real world interactions, much of their communication is conducted via facebook, and most of the 'educational' material that's posted on the their facebook groups seems to be links to youtube videos, there is very little posting of actual non-media webpages, perhaps less than 25% and very little to non in terms of what I'd see as economic, scientific and political 'source material'.
Which is where my problem with some of them begins, Malthus knows a bit about what I'm talking about !
I think it's best if post little anecdotes as I recall them and answer any specific question you might have.
Again I'd be interested in others RL experience of this 'mass movement', Shelf any opinions ?
Do you really vote Tory mongers?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 24, 2011, 03:10:40 PM
Do you really vote Tory mongers?
Sure when there's a non-thatcherite candidate, but then again that's one of the biggest divides in the party, between the old one-nation tories and the 'sons of thatcher'.
Quote from: mongers on December 24, 2011, 03:13:05 PM
Sure when there's a non-thatcherite candidate
Who has this meant in practice?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 24, 2011, 03:15:57 PM
Quote from: mongers on December 24, 2011, 03:13:05 PM
Sure when there's a non-thatcherite candidate
Who has this meant in practice?
My politics predate thatcher but since I've only been able to vote since the Falklands era, that has meant my local MP once, this time I voted LD to actively get a coalition govt, or at least I was guessing the LD would be acting as a moderating force to a minority conservative govt.
Quote from: mongers on December 24, 2011, 03:13:05 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 24, 2011, 03:10:40 PM
Do you really vote Tory mongers?
Sure when there's a non-thatcherite candidate, but then again that's one of the biggest divides in the party, between the old one-nation tories and the 'sons of thatcher'.
Sorta like Republitards here; you've got the Teabaggers and their simpleton Teabaggery, and then you have people who support real Republicans, like Nixon, Ford and General Haig.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 24, 2011, 06:20:39 PM
Quote from: mongers on December 24, 2011, 03:13:05 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 24, 2011, 03:10:40 PM
Do you really vote Tory mongers?
Sure when there's a non-thatcherite candidate, but then again that's one of the biggest divides in the party, between the old one-nation tories and the 'sons of thatcher'.
Sorta like Republitards here; you've got the Teabaggers and their simpleton Teabaggery, and then you have people who support real Republicans, like Nixon, Ford and General Haig.
I don't disagree.
Quote from: mongers on December 24, 2011, 06:42:26 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 24, 2011, 06:20:39 PM
Quote from: mongers on December 24, 2011, 03:13:05 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 24, 2011, 03:10:40 PM
Do you really vote Tory mongers?
Sure when there's a non-thatcherite candidate, but then again that's one of the biggest divides in the party, between the old one-nation tories and the 'sons of thatcher'.
Sorta like Republitards here; you've got the Teabaggers and their simpleton Teabaggery, and then you have people who support real Republicans, like Nixon, Ford and General Haig.
I don't disagree.
Unfortunately, today's Republitards seem to think they're still one and the same. ZOMG REAGAN WOULD NEVER HAVE RAISED TEH DEBT CEILINGZ
What really surprised me is how some of them take their cue from American originated rightwing/nutbar youtube vidoes; so you'll get people talking about fiat currencies, how the banks 'make up or invent money' how inflation is a deliberate thing designed to give people negative savings rates etc.
But what concerns me more is several people I've met seem to think that 'darker' financial conspiracies hold water, so you'll get one or two people posting youtube videos about the Rothschilds and the Illuminati etc. Oh and with these two or three people David Icke videos links also popular.
And of course we know there's a subtext with both of these sources of 'information' ie the coded anti-semitism, out of the couple dozen activist I've met, I've had long conversation with a dozen or so, so I've got some handle on their 'worldviews' but as I say it's early days. But one of them, a polish women, surprise, surprise is somewhat obsessed with this stuff and since she now won't answer any of my questions on facebook about this issue I'd concluded anti-semitism is what motivates her to a large extent.
I think for her two or three other fellow travelers, I'd say it isn't necessarily intention, but that vein runs through a lot of the youtube material that is posted. This is something I'm intending to pursue and challenge a couple more on this matter.
Oh and LaRouche and Ron Paul seem to have a bit of a following, it really surprises me just how US originated a lot of this is, there doesn't at least to my mind seem much in the way of a British sourced threat in the group 'outlook'.
On behalf of the people of The United States of America, I would like to sincerely apologize for all that.
Quote from: mongers on December 24, 2011, 06:56:16 PM
Oh and LaRouche and Ron Paul seem to have a bit of a following, it really surprises me just how US originated a lot of this is, there doesn't at least to my mind seem much in the way of a British sourced threat in the group 'outlook'.
Funny thing about the LaRouchies is when you run into them over here, most likely they are foreigners. Annoying little foreign college students.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 24, 2011, 07:00:23 PM
Quote from: mongers on December 24, 2011, 06:56:16 PM
Oh and LaRouche and Ron Paul seem to have a bit of a following, it really surprises me just how US originated a lot of this is, there doesn't at least to my mind seem much in the way of a British sourced threat in the group 'outlook'.
Funny thing about the LaRouchies is when you run into them over here, most likely they are foreigners. Annoying little foreign college students.
Didn't they kill an Jewish American student in Germany a while back ?
No idea. The kardashians wasn't involved, so the media ignored it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 24, 2011, 06:59:17 PM
On behalf of the people of The United States of America, I would like to sincerely apologize for all that.
Yes, I'm disappointed well, why can't these Britishers get their act together and come up with their own distinct British brand of fascism. :P
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 24, 2011, 07:00:23 PM
Quote from: mongers on December 24, 2011, 06:56:16 PM
Oh and LaRouche and Ron Paul seem to have a bit of a following, it really surprises me just how US originated a lot of this is, there doesn't at least to my mind seem much in the way of a British sourced threat in the group 'outlook'.
Funny thing about the LaRouchies is when you run into them over here, most likely they are foreigners. Annoying little foreign college students.
I've never actually seen one. My mom was a delegate to the Democratic National Convention in SF back in '84. The LaRouche wanted to talk at the Convention and of course nobody was going to let that lunatic go up there and speak, so his groupies were out stalking delegates to try to get enough of them on LaRouche's side to force the party to let him speak. It didn't work. My mom thought they were scary. I think he's even crazier then Ron Paul. They have really weird ideas like thinking the British monarchy is dealing drugs and have strange fixation on the national meat supply.
I'm glad we finally have a thread on this. About time.
Oh I'm sorry. Where's the thread about you interacting with OWS folks? Apart from the scornful looks you might have given them I mean.
Quote from: Zoupa on December 24, 2011, 08:55:18 PM
Oh I'm sorry. Where's the thread about you interacting with OWS folks? Apart from the scornful looks you might have given them I mean.
Why would I want to interact with them? I'm not keen on social diseases. :x
I still haven't got a handle on what this movement is about, I got a bid sidetracked by the conspiracy stuff.
Will report back when I have some further 'research'.
Quote from: mongers on December 31, 2011, 01:28:34 PM
I still haven't got a handle on what this movement is about
I'm now picturing Mongers as the Man of La Mancha.
I should create a thread: Normal human beings - First Impressions.
Quote from: garbon on December 31, 2011, 07:34:38 PM
Quote from: mongers on December 31, 2011, 01:28:34 PM
I still haven't got a handle on what this movement is about
I'm now picturing Mongers as the Man of La Mancha.
Thank you, I'll take that as a compliment. :)
Now where to I find Dulcinea, especially if she's Italian. :cool:
Now the occupy group has been evicted from the last site, most activity is through several facebook groups; here are some of my recent exchanges with a handful of the somewhat odd members:
A.G**** >
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bl6jGz7Pqg&feature=g-all-u&context=G29048dbFAAAAAWgADAA
Benjamin Fulford English Message
Bob (Me)
The man seems to need some professional help, not people broadcasting his deranged ramblings.
A.G**** >
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiPb5inXCpc
The Truth EXPOSED pt1
Bob (Me)
Didn't you watch all of this video, because I did and its' 'author' is deluded, he thinks well known people are played by actors; an example he thinks Daniel Sheehan and Rep.James Traficant are played by the same actor, but the reality is they're two separate historical people, you can even google to find pictures and film of them at various stages of their lifes. I myself can remember seeing TV footage of Sheehan at the time of the Pentagon Papers release, he's a much younger man, but looks nothing like photos of the congressman in his youth.That's one bizarre conspiracy to have an actor play two separate people for 40 years of their lives. :blink:
Dec 23, 2011
A.G**** >
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNx642Tj9cc
David Icke - The One Party State (Essential Knowledge For A Wall Street Protestor - Part Two)
Dec 23, 2011 ·
Bob (Me)
"Secret society bloodline web" hmm, I wonder if he's talking about the LizardQueenIlllumatiTheJewsDidItMaguffin ? Seriously the man is a charlatan, if he had anything to contribute, he wouldn't be ripping off people by charging them 50 quid a ticket to his tour talks, but giving them away for free.
A.G****
Feel free with your comments and opinions
Bob (Me)
Remember this someone who claims the Earth is going to stop rotating on it's a axis next year! A.G*** what's the point of continuing to post links to batshit insane youtube videos ? The vast majority of people coming to this group for information and out of a sense of curiosity are going to see these wacky links and be put off, perhaps thinking "oh dear just another load of conspiracy theorists.
A.G****
Why you constantly keep attacking me and my posts?
Bob (Me)
I'm not, its just you keep posting these fruity videos that seem to have little to do with ther positives of the occupy movement and more to do with dark conspiracies.
Bob *****
:mDon't bother Ania this dude is a fake......lol
A.G****
Thanks Bob, I knew that...hahaha
Bob (Me)
Bob, Oh I see, I'm part of some conspiracy !! Instead of attacking the poster why don't you answer some of my criticisms ?
A.G****
Because it would be a waste of time
Bob *****
is this your question bob??????
Secret society bloodline web" hmm, I wonder if he's talking about the LizardQueenIlllumatiTheJewsDidItMaguffin ?
WTF!!!!!!
Bob (Me)
A,G**** Isn't that somewhat ignorant ? I've raised some objections to the content of these videos and you believe that there somehow above criticism ?
Bob (Me)
Bob do you believe in his conspiracies about the Queen, the lizards the Jews Illuminati etc ?
A.G****
No comments...
Bob *****
:nSo you answer questions with questions Bob?????
Bob *****
: We have an inalienable right to freedom of expression.........
no further comment...... : )
Bob (Me)
Bob, I'm trying to understand your hostility, you after all came straight out and said I was a fake, so I'm asking a question or two to understand where you're coming from. How much do you believe of what Icke says is true ?
A.G****
Goodnight!!!
A.G****>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F4IGwuKdUQ&feature=rellist&playnext=1&list=PL7F33AD63B9FF09BC
The Rothschilds Exposed 1/3
The Illuminati - Rothschild Banking Family Exposed - Part 1 of 3 Next Part: http://www.youtube.com/...
Bob (Me)
Seems like veiled anti-semitism, rather than anything coherent.
A.G****
Seems like minion of the system, no one trustworthy...
A.G****
You are the weakest link, goodbye!
A.G****
A**** J****>
"One Fist to Stop WW3" - an organization committed to stopping the threat of WW3 through Impeaching this President. The holiday season is cancelled until Obama is removed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR5jXin4dH4
LaRouchePAC One Fist to Stop WWIII - New Jersey, Boston December 23, 2011
Our Organization is committed to stopping the threat of WWIII through Impeaching this President. This is...
Bob (Me)
How is Obama a British stooge ? If anything, given what the empire forces did to his grandfather, he's been somewhat cold to the UK. I still don't see the point of posting these shrill threats about impending thermonuclear war, it isn't going to happen next week or next year; we should concentrate on making a better world about us and forget about these fringe groups with their bizarre agendas.
C. S****>
Terence Mckenna: Timewave Zero and December 21 2012
http://www.December212012.com/
Today at 1:41am ·
A. F****
looked at terrance before. Great guy to study for a bit! to everyone please look at what this is about and also at the 5000year old book of IChing
Today at 1:46am · Like · 1
A. F****
btw this is how timewave zero is calculated
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faBd_0eyMFw
Bob (Me)
More eschatological bullshit, I'll bet anyone a pint of cider this won't happen, redeemable at a pub of my choice on Saturday December 22nd. ;-)
Today at 3:15am · Like · Remove
C. S****
The time line so far seems to fit with what he said..the only doubt left is the events we have yet to see.
A.G****
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1yIWOiDMZw&feature=share
!! RED ALERT !! Emergency Broadcast : On The Brink of Ww3
Emergency Broadcast December 23rd, 2011 • 4:00 PM Thermonuclear war may breakout before the end of 2011....
Dec 24, 2011
Bob (Me)
I'm willing to bet global thermonuclear war won't happen in the next week, the next month, year or decade, anyone willing to take up the my challenge ? I'll give you very generous odds.
Dec 28 at 9:09pm · Like · 1
Scott F**
Giving our power away to fear is never a good idea!
Well, if that dude is representative I would say that OWS:UK is a completely different kettle of fish and chips.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 03, 2012, 04:13:19 PM
Well, if that dude is representative I would say that OWS:UK is a completely different kettle of fish and chips.
To be fair this is nothing like the things I've seen in London.
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 03, 2012, 04:16:38 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 03, 2012, 04:13:19 PM
Well, if that dude is representative I would say that OWS:UK is a completely different kettle of fish and chips.
To be fair this is nothing like the things I've seen in London.
Shelf, I'd be interested in you impressions of the movement, it was one of the reasons I posted this thread.
Quote from: mongers on January 03, 2012, 04:24:24 PM
Shelf, I'd be interested in you impressions of the movement, it was one of the reasons I posted this thread.
I've still not spent enough time with them as opposed to poking around reading the posters and looking into the 'Tent City University' library and lecture schedule. When I've got some real impressions I'll share.
I've not encountered anything like your describing. The closest was that someone had put up a poster. It was some anti-vaccine propaganda about how vaccinations poison you. Large parts of it had been defaced and someone had put up an equally large poster next to it, pointing at it with the slogan 'This is a load of bullshit'. I found that rather endearing.
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 03, 2012, 04:30:41 PM
Quote from: mongers on January 03, 2012, 04:24:24 PM
Shelf, I'd be interested in you impressions of the movement, it was one of the reasons I posted this thread.
I've still not spent enough time with them as opposed to poking around reading the posters and looking into the 'Tent City University' library and lecture schedule. When I've got some real impressions I'll share.
I've not encountered anything like your describing. The closest was that someone had put up a poster. It was some anti-vaccine propaganda about how vaccinations poison you. Large parts of it had been defaced and someone had put up an equally large poster next to it, pointing at it with the slogan 'This is a load of bullshit'. I found that rather endearing.
Yes, it's the most reasonable, reasoned answer to that sort of BS, which unfortunate seems to be rather popular amongst the general population.
This seems a little paranoid, it's been posted on both London and local groups:
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/12/489817.html?c=on (http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/12/489817.html?c=on)
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The Occupy Movement in Danger From Within
Anon | 05.12.2011 01:18
Tavistock Institute "social engineers" or "new-science social scientists" who specialise in sophisticated mind control techniques, including group dynamics, are working as facilitators within Occupy groups worldwide.
Tonight I came across something that literally sent a chill down my spine. The source of my concern and the reason I'm writing this post is the practise of Social Dreaming Events (SDE). According to blurb on the related website,
'The task of the SDE is to associate to dreams made available to the Social Dreaming Event in order to make links and find connections between individual thought and social meaning. The social context in which these social dreaming events are taking place is the Occupy movement as a protest against the anti-social consequences of capitalism.
Social Dreaming was invented in 1982 by Dr Gordon Lawrence, a social scientist working at the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations, as a form of enquiry into social phenomena through the use of dreams.
Since the 9th of November regular Social Dreaming Events (SDEs) have been taking place at Tent City University, Finsbury Square, London, facilitated by the staff and colleagues of the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations.
SDE facilitators are working at St Paul's and in other cities around the world – Tel Aviv, New York, Melbourne, Bristol, Dublin and elsewhere.
The chilling thing is the involvement of the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations.
The Tavistock Institute has long been identified by a variety of credentialed researchers as an influence in British Psychological Warfare. The propaganda and public opinion manipulations (including mind control agendas) orchestrated by the Tavistock Institute is covered at length in, for instance, the books of David Icke and Dr John Coleman . Dr. Coleman, former intelligence officer with Britain's MI6 and author of Conspirators Hierarchy, The Committee of 300, was one of the first writers to bring the world's attention to the existence of the pivotal role that Tavistock plays in shaping political, social, educational, and economic 'opinions' worldwide.
Research shows that Institute facilitators, so-called "social engineers" or "new-science social scientists" specialise sophisticated mind control techniques, including group dynamics.
....... etc
Crazy people are crazy. Shocker, eh? :)
Meh. I thought it was going to be about a vanguard. Instead it's the plot of Nightmare on Elm Street.
It's interesting the part fear and paranoia can sometimes plays in group dynamics; I'll tell you the story of the paedophile.
When I first encountered the local occupy group, one of the interesting people I spent some time chatting with was their chief legal representative in court, who styled himself a Lord something-something.
Being partially deaf, I invariably mishear peoples surnames so often have to end up googling my guess to find out what it really was. So the next day googled turned this up, there was someone who appeared to be the same guy and had a name close to what I thought I'd heard, what showed up on the first page was that he'd been convicted for a sexual offence against some young boys a dozen or so earlier.
So I thought, I have a bit of a dilemma here, do I say anything about this to anyone ? I decided I'd ask a friend to make some discreet enquiries to see if really was guy mentioned in the newspaper reports and what sort of 'character' he was.
As it turned out, my friend, who unlike me, seems to know or know of, almost anyone of consequence in the conurbation was away on holiday for a week, so I didn't have a chance find out anything and then quietly bring my information to the attention of the leading light of the local group.
Unfortunately, two or three days later, someone else appears to have googled about him, and rather than being circumspect or mulling over the issues involved, simply posted uncorroborated evidence on their public facebook group.
And guess what happened, all hell broke loose, I have never in my life seen more grandstanding, argument, bitterness on any other internet 'forum' even including languish !
To cut a very long story short they split up into two somewhat bitter camps, which seemed to produce 4 or 5 different facebook groups. People accused each other in the opposing camp of being at best naive and at worst dupes or actually aiding and abetting this paedophile.
Basically some went 'will no one think of the children' mad, which if they were a parent I could sort of understand, though I'd only ever seen an occasion one or two children about. Conflict even broke out between those who took part in the occupations and those who posted support solely on-line.
In the end, someone threatened/warned him off, I think there was a final meeting of one of the groups were he agreed to stand down so as to not 'further harm' the groups' efforts. And to some extent some of the divisions have been healed/papered over.
What interests me is that they generally, with one or two honorary exception, reacted in what I'd see as an 'internet' generation way to a real life situation, rather than what I'd previously seen in similar situations before.
Ironically they ended up getting rid of their only truly effective legal representative, who'd initially got their first eviction halted and enabled them to stay for several weeks at their first site. Subsequently they've been eviction from three other location in relatively short order !
It also begs the question, once paedophiles have served their sentences, aren't they allowed to be contributory members of society or do they have no other role than to remain outside society and be used to scare children and parents alike ?
For all I know this man could have been making a genuine effort to contribute to society.
As it turns out, when I eventually saw my friend, back from holiday, I only had to mention the name for him to recognise who it was and give me some of his form. It transpires, when we used to work with the homeless, we would put people into temporary accommodation volunteered to us and he was one of those helpers, that's probably why I was slightly familiar with his voice or name.
However this was in the day before mandatory inspections and everything was done on trust, as it turns out my friend says he had reports the man had tried it on with some of the young adults sent to him. And that he had other form, in that he was a friend of a well-known national figure from our area, who it was privately know had a predilection for young boys, but was never convicted. So maybe he had a hidden agenda, after all, I don't know.
And to bring the story full circle, last time I visited their last camp, someone talking about the paedophile said he though he'd been sent by the government to discredit them.
:face:
The Illuminati and their Jewish masters will stop at nothing to discredit the Movement.
To be fair, pedophiles are actually less wretched than Occupy types.
There are some divisions that in part seem founded on middle vs working class tensions. :hmm: :bowler:
What annoys some of the more professional 'full-time' activists are the 'Freeman of the Land' advocates who seem to deal in a sort of libertarianism founded on unintentional misunderstandings of legal terms and some stuff that's complete fantasy.
A good example of the later is the posted in 'our' local group:
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Scott F***
Capitalism, from the latin capita meaning head, from where we get the phrase per capita, which was a method of allocating resources to feed the massive roman armies that relied on slaves to farm and process etc. Capita diminutia maxima, the process by which a persons legal status was reduced to that of slave through the Capitalisation of thier NAME... Now go and check your drivers licence, bank cards, utility bills, in fact anything official at all... Yes, we really are all slaves under capitalism, and we all thought it was just business!
2 hours ago · Like · 2
:blink:
My reply:
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That's wrong, see:
http://www.the-romans.co.uk/p7hg_img_4/fullsize/Caesar2.jpg
The 'freeman on the land' stuff is rubbish. I liked this take apart of it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2011/nov/16/law-protest-occupy-freemen
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 11, 2012, 02:52:01 PM
The 'freeman on the land' stuff is rubbish. I liked this take apart of it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2011/nov/16/law-protest-occupy-freemen
Shelf, I know, but it seems to have quite a lot of traction with a broad range of people I've encountered.
Interestingly the 'formal' anarchists I've met have a real conflict with these guys.
Any Fifth Monarchists in the occupy movement yet?
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on January 11, 2012, 06:03:50 PM
Any Fifth Monarchists in the occupy movement yet?
No because they were quite influential in their time, but equally wrong headed. :P
I'd quite like the Occupiers to be moved to St. Mary's Putney. They probably wouldn't be up for that :(
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 11, 2012, 06:22:37 PM
I'd quite like the Occupiers to be moved to St. Mary's Putney. They probably wouldn't be up for that :(
Nice reference; I'd really like to see some genuine debate in the UK about such issues, but I think most politicians are predispossed to spin and PR rather than direction and principle.
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 11, 2012, 06:22:37 PM
I'd quite like the Occupiers to be moved to St. Mary's Putney. They probably wouldn't be up for that :(
Care to enlighten us?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 11, 2012, 06:47:51 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 11, 2012, 06:22:37 PM
I'd quite like the Occupiers to be moved to St. Mary's Putney. They probably wouldn't be up for that :(
Care to enlighten us?
Putney debates, between the 1st and 2nd civil war; army leadership debating with the radicals amongst the soldiery.
edit:
don't know if this site is any good but it's a start:
http://www.putneydebates.com/ (http://www.putneydebates.com/)
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 11, 2012, 06:47:51 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 11, 2012, 06:22:37 PM
I'd quite like the Occupiers to be moved to St. Mary's Putney. They probably wouldn't be up for that :(
Care to enlighten us?
Fifth Monarchists were religious fundamentalists who were involved in the politics of the Roundheads.
Putney Debates were a series of debates within the New Model Army, at St. Mary's Putney, about the ideal nature of the English constitution. A highpoint of English radicalism until suppressed by Cromwell:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putney_Debates
I'm not getting the feeling of anything substantial re the occupy movement in England. From here it looks like a bunch of eccentrics and oddballs who we have only heard about because of a navel-gazing London-based media; well that, or maybe nothing at all, nobody has ever even mentioned them to me.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on January 12, 2012, 01:43:39 AM
I'm not getting the feeling of anything substantial re the occupy movement in England. From here it looks like a bunch of eccentrics and oddballs who we have only heard about because of a navel-gazing London-based media; well that, or maybe nothing at all, nobody has ever even mentioned them to me.
I've pasted on these comments to some in the local group; I didn't get a lot of disagreement.
I think I've managed to largely chase off the Polish conspiracy nut from one of the groups, but I can't help but feel I'm essentially trolling rather than anything constructive. :(
Edit: is starting a discussion topic the following title trolling ?:
QuoteOccupied by conspiracies ? Free the moment, Act in the real world, Now.
Kelvin V****
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Scott F****
Not sure what you mean by this post? If you mean that there is no global agenda to enslave the human race by an elite group of interconected bloodlines who murder anyone they deem a threat while causing wars and economic poverty to keep the slaves in a state of perpetual paralysis through fear and starvation or in richer countries just being mind numbingly dumbed down through the myriad weapons of mass distraction in use, then i fear we will not achieve our goal in this occupy movement! If people still believe, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that we are not witnessing the final few moves on the global chessboard toward total dictatorship by an increasingly openly powerful elite who can bankrupt whole countries to install thier puppet technocrats rendering even the idea of democracy dead, then we are lost! We need to collectively wake up to the facts or we will not win this struggle against those who would enslave us as we cannot fight that which we deny even exists while wasting time arguing amongst ourselves about who is wearing the tinfoil hat!
Kelvin V****
bob what do you know about apathy ?
Gary S*****
You are referring to the historical tendency of capitalist accumulation, well described by Marx in the 1880s. BTW all bloodlines are connected!
Me
Scott Free wrote "interconected bloodlines" presumably you mean Illuminati and so forth ? Which I don't buy, if there really was such a sinister all powerful organisation killing anyone who opposes them, then there is no hope. Alternatively what if that isn't the case and because of the current significant historical, economic and political changes we now have a unique historical moment within which to act ? Just think what me might achieve if we put aside the paranoias and consider the real world and what needs to be done to make it a better place ?
Me
Kelvin V. said "bob what do you know about apathy ?" In what context ?
Leon P***
Yes, using some truth to justify a lot of BS. The point is it doesn't matter which conspiracy theorist is most right. What it inspires you to do is much more important. Anybody who thinks the world can be summed up in an amalgamation of youtube videos has a lot to learn.
Scott F****
We have been trained like pavlovian dogs to dismiss and ridicule anyone who dares utter the word conspiracy by its prefixation with the word "theory" and association with the lunatic fringe, thus neatly avoiding the whole issue while the conspirators remain in plain sight! That they have written, documented and published thier agenda is beyond dispute, that they get away with doing so is due to the fact that the majority of the people are dumbed down and distracted prescicely so the agenda remains invisible to all but those who research the bigger picture and it becomes easy to character assassinate them. I care not what you call these people, illuminati, royalty, capitalists etc, the effect is always the same, they get richer and more powerful while we get poorer and our freedoms denied! The reason i say interconnected bloodlines is that wealth and therefore power is accumulated in families through intermarriage whatever the dominant system in place at the time, capitalism just happens to be convenient in that it requires us to vote and thus consent to our own enslavement all the while believing that we have choice and are free! They are not ALL powerful, only our collective ignorance of our own enslavement renders them any power at all, for we are many and they are few!
Gary S****
Oh I can't be arsed to go through it all again: -
Never mind the Molochs: conspiracy theories, 'new world order', globalisation and the real agenda.
Scott F****
Ditto!
Me
So Scott, just imagine for a moment, that there isn't a big conspiracy in plain sight, it's just you, other people and the various historical, political and economic forces transitioning through the present, what do you do tomorrow, next week or next month to make our world a better place ?
Scott F***
Well i agree that wether there is a conspiratorial agenda or a farcical amalgamation of errors, the effects are the same and our collective response should be equally similar. Firstly revoke all consent to be governed, that is fundamental and the foundation of any steps toward freedom! Secondly, reclaim the land, our most basic neccessities of food and shelter depend on it and without being in control of it we are slaves to those who do! I would say that probably a slow managed break up of industrial farms into intentional eco comunities for those who want to leave the system would be a good place to start! This would free up money currently used in benefits/pensions etc, reducing the national debt for those still in the system while those opting out would have meaningful work of thier own choice!
Me
OK, that's a nice personal vision, but what do you do next week in order to take the first steps towards it ?
Scott F****
I am currently writing a feasability study / business plan to that effect, looking at land use under our current economic model and comparing it with the eco comunity model as well as how much money could be saved by gifting land to people who want to opt out of the system, this includes health benefits of a more natural lifestyle such as combating the obesity epidemic as well as the more obvious greener low carbon lifestyle! I am also networking with local transition town groups who are sympathetic to occupy as i think a cross fertilisation of ideas can only help strengthen both movements! Hope that helps, happy to elucidate more anytime :-)
Excellent use of nested dependent clauses by Scott F.
I was slating on the occupy facebook group, one of these freemen of the land gurus, and someone asked me "Do you have a youtube video channel to enlighten people or talk about your own journey?"
Interesting, it seems for some if not a sizeable minority, youtube for them is the major source of 'information' rather than the written word or conversations and presentations in the real world.
Less feasibility studies, more pipe bombs.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 21, 2012, 05:26:21 PM
Less feasibility studies, more pipe bombs.
Are you trying to drum up more business for you company ? :unsure:
We need more Carlists and Jacobites to get involved.
So I spent a fair bit of the day at the London St.Paul occupation.
Hmm, now I don't know what to think, I don't think I'll get my head around this movement and I don't think its worth any more of my effort.
My over-riding impression is of a 'golden opportunity' being missed, as an example, I participated in one of their meetings which was about the psychology of organising a protest movement and the main speaker seemed to be making the point that their organisation was non-hierarchical and was a horizontal movement. Which is all well in good in a well meaning organisation, but it's strikes me as the easy option, rather than making the hard choices of presenting the rest of the world with a clear leadership advocating some specific measures.
The point I made to them, it's nice to be all warm, fuzzy and inclusive and have 17-18 different committees looking at various issues, but in the real world of increasing struggle and deprivation that a significant part of the population is now experiencing, they shouldn't delude themselves that there isn't a figure on the right, perhaps someone of Mosley's calibre out there.
Someone who's going to take these legitimate grievances and mould them in to an effective, hierarchical organisation that will prove far more effective at motiving people and forcing the political establishment to come to terms with it. I don't think this went down especially well, but I though I should challenge some of the easy assumptions that being nice is enough.
Some of my friends from down here have been up there for several weeks, on and off, so have had much more experience of how the orgainisation works, so maybe I should wait for one of them to sum up how they feel about the occupy movement.
That sums it up in a nutshell mongers. You're supposed to decide on the cause and *then* protest, not the other way around.
Well said. I don't understand what they think they are doing. "THINGS.... STUFF... NEEDS TO CHANGE! To find out what we want to change talk to EVERYBODY."
When it started at Wall Street I thought it may cause some real change. I don't know what, probably just some bread and circuses style crap that would play up on the blogs, but it degenerated so fast into a drum circle jerk. Almost as if it was planned that way.... Planned to fail!
Quote from: mongers on January 21, 2012, 05:10:39 PM
I was slating on the occupy facebook group, one of these freemen of the land gurus, and someone asked me "Do you have a youtube video channel to enlighten people or talk about your own journey?"
Interesting, it seems for some if not a sizeable minority, youtube for them is the major source of 'information' rather than the written word or conversations and presentations in the real world.
People you meet on Facebook get their information online? Boggles the mind.
Had a enthusiastic and somewhat productive meeting of our local group in the week.
I was there in my unofficial role as outside observer, some of my suggestions met with a generally positive response.
I guess what interests me is that a fair few of the people there, whether consciously or not, want to partake in activities that make new social bonds between people and grow modest new social structures.
My own emphasis is on doing practical stuff that has immediate results that benefit those taking part and some of the people they're trying to reach, rather than just gesture politics and demonstrating for the sake of it.
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So some of the people were back to posting somewhat odd stuff on the two open facebook groups within a few hours or a day or two, no big deal, there's a fair few wacky people about.
What did surprise me is one of the more leading lights of the group was perhaps reverting to type, or more likely just uncritically reposting 'meme' like material which nether the less includes this gem:
http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news319_protocols.html (http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news319_protocols.html)
:bleeding: :tinfoil:
It's a pity because myself and a couple of other people seemed to have 'chased off' a couple of the more extreme dingbats, but I guess this doesn't give me much option but to have a stand up head to head at the next meeting or deciding now to stop giving a fuck about some of these fruit-loops and walk away from the whole thing ?
Pity really as quite a few of the people are rather decent, concerned and are attempting to do worthwhile things for others, not at all like the charactertures portrayed in some sections of the media.
"caricatures" old bean :cool:
When people start going on about the protocols of the elders of Zion it is time to back out of the room.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on January 27, 2012, 06:43:31 PM
"caricatures" old bean :cool:
When people start going on about the protocols of the elders of Zion it is time to back out of the room.
Or give them a copy of Eco's latest book. That gives you more time to back away because at first they will think you are one of them but then, if they are bright enough, they will realize what you did.
Quote from: mongers on January 27, 2012, 06:21:55 PM
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So some of the people were back to posting somewhat odd stuff on the two open facebook groups within a few hours or a day or two, no big deal, there's a fair few wacky people about.
What did surprise me is one of the more leading lights of the group was perhaps reverting to type, or more likely just uncritically reposting 'meme' like material which nether the less includes this gem:
http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news319_protocols.html (http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news319_protocols.html)
:bleeding: :tinfoil:
It's a pity because myself and a couple of other people seemed to have 'chased off' a couple of the more extreme dingbats, but I guess this doesn't give me much option but to have a stand up head to head at the next meeting or deciding now to stop giving a fuck about some of these fruit-loops and walk away from the whole thing ?
Pity really as quite a few of the people are rather decent, concerned and are attempting to do worthwhile things for others, not at all like the charactertures portrayed in some sections of the media.
Wow. I love the photoshopped-in extra blood in the pics. No viruses from the site surprisingly.
Somewhat interesting debate between some occupy activists and politicians including Alistair Campbell.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01bb94f/The_Big_Questions_Series_5_Episode_3/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01bb94f/The_Big_Questions_Series_5_Episode_3/)
From three weeks ago, Occupy London debating the formulation of its' internal aims:
http://www.livestream.com/occupylsx/video?clipId=pla_d250e24a-3235-4167-a301-d90693ce2249 (http://www.livestream.com/occupylsx/video?clipId=pla_d250e24a-3235-4167-a301-d90693ce2249)
B.Ark ? :unsure:
This is the recent High Court ruling against the Occupy London Stock Exchange ( Occupy LSX/St.Pauls) :
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2012/34.html (http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2012/34.html)
Worth a read, very well written and a model for a judge setting out his decision in easily understood plain English.
Point 152. is interesting as it seems to echo my thoughts on a fundamental lack of organisation or joined up thinking:
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On the defendants' side there was no convincing refutation of the evidence those witnesses gave. Most of its factual content was left intact. Indeed, much of the evidence given for the defendants was not merely consistent with the City's but lent it more force, for it displayed the ultimate failure of the protestors, both individually and acting through their General Assembly and various working groups, to put right many of the problems caused by the camp. As Mr Forsdick submitted, it is telling that at the end of the trial of this claim the advice given to the City's committee before proceedings were begun has been vindicated by the evidence the court has heard.
Edit:
I should say their 'final' appeal is on Monday 13th, so assuming that fails I'd imagine the City Police will end the occupation by the end of the week. Any later and I'd think that would risk taking the stand-off into the milder spring weather, which will significantly strengthen the protesters determination for activities across London.
Quote from: mongers on January 27, 2012, 06:21:55 PM
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So some of the people were back to posting somewhat odd stuff on the two open facebook groups within a few hours or a day or two, no big deal, there's a fair few wacky people about.
What did surprise me is one of the more leading lights of the group was perhaps reverting to type, or more likely just uncritically reposting 'meme' like material which nether the less includes this gem:
http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news319_protocols.html (http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news319_protocols.html)
:bleeding: :tinfoil:
It's a pity because myself and a couple of other people seemed to have 'chased off' a couple of the more extreme dingbats, but I guess this doesn't give me much option but to have a stand up head to head at the next meeting or deciding now to stop giving a fuck about some of these fruit-loops and walk away from the whole thing ?
Pity really as quite a few of the people are rather decent, concerned and are attempting to do worthwhile things for others, not at all like the charactertures portrayed in some sections of the media.
I think I should Email SJgames to inform them of copyright violation.
I think this Freemen of the land nonsense is getting quite a hold of my local group, it keeps seeping out of the woodwork; I was discussing something on face book, I made an innocent comment and this popped up.
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Theo *****
Freeman or slave,its a personal choice.
Me
Strawman ?
Scott *****
Straw man is simply the fictional device used in comerce! comercial contract law is the basis for all societal interaction! The CAPITALISED NAME is the representation of the fiction for the purposes of comerce! You were awarded a 'share' of the resources of this beautiful planet upon your birth! This 'share' is your "right" and as such is protected by 'law' which is the applicable manifestation of the system designed to protect your 'rights'! Your ability to control your strawman is directly proportional to your responsibility of self in relation to others in the world, freedom is given to those with the moral and emotional capacity to embrace it without fear and to live it from the heart!
:huh:
TIMECUBE! YOU ARE STUPID EDUCATED
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on February 16, 2012, 07:12:49 PM
TIMECUBE! YOU ARE STUPID EDUCATED
People are actually doing some really damaging stuff because of this baloney.
One woman is taking her daughter out of school for home schooling it's part of her 'reasoning', I won't quote the whole letter she posted in the open group as I've now blocked her but it included this :
WI cannot have my childs need ignored over a mini zeitgiest computer system that appears cross when a child is ill"
"We feel victimised now with the constant flow of letters and the patronising meetings of concern for the above fiction(figures).
These meetings have no concern really for the factual (pupils) and the variables of the factual fitting in with the fiction only to scaremonger the parent ."
Maybe she'll turn out to be an excellent home-schooler and it will be the best thing for her daughter, but I hope in doesn't contain to much paranoia
From the sounds of that 'reasoning' her problems go beyond simple paranoia all the way to full-blown paranoid schizophrenia. :wacko:
Quote from: Caliga on February 16, 2012, 07:45:14 PM
From the sounds of that 'reasoning' her problems go beyond simple paranoia all the way to full-blown paranoid schizophrenia. :wacko:
Luckily I'm not a psychologist, so don't have an opinion, though coincidentally I have just been banned from their closed group, and she is one of the 3/4 admins.
My take on it, is it has the makings of a cult, some of those characteristics are becoming apparent, well at least to me.
Isn't this Occupy London? Isn't homeschooling the sort of thing that in Europe means you instantly get your children taken away due to your inability to not be fucking crazy?
Its a feedback cycle of victimhood. Of course the crazy grows.
Quote from: Neil on February 16, 2012, 07:55:44 PM
Isn't this Occupy London? Isn't homeschooling the sort of thing that in Europe means you instantly get your children taken away due to your inability to not be fucking crazy?
Well here, I'm only talking about my local group; I never did get my head around all the factions within Occupy London, but this is quite an interesting article, can't quote the whole thing, as I promised the journalist I'd directly link to the original:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/13/occupy-london-what-went-wrong (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/13/occupy-london-what-went-wrong)
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Occupy London: what went wrong?
It gave a voice to the usually ignored, but Occupy's consensual model has seen it too often take the path of least resistance
John Harris
guardian.co.uk, Monday 13 February 2012 13.30 GMT
"The situation had degenerated to the point where capitulation was only a matter of time. The cellars and corridors were now running with rats, the students themselves were now filthy and lice-ridden. The free-wheeling and lawless atmosphere had become a magnet for every dope-dealer, whore, minor criminal and apolitical, gormless hippie in Paris."
So reads a passage from Andrew Hussey's biography of the late situationist, agitator and theorist Guy Debord, which describes the fag-end of 1968's legendary occupation of the Sorbonne. By some weird coincidence, I came across it on Thursday, on a tube ride following another visit to St Paul's Cathedral, where I beheld what has become of the Occupy camp. If you have seen any recent press coverage of its fate, you'll be familiar with the essential picture: the story is now seemingly one of decline, exhaustion and imminent defeat.
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Definitely worth a read, as it's from someone who doesn't appear to have an axe to grind.
Quote from: Caliga on February 16, 2012, 07:45:14 PM
From the sounds of that 'reasoning' her problems go beyond simple paranoia all the way to full-blown paranoid schizophrenia. :wacko:
Only another crazy person would see reason in that non-sense. If it wasn't that, she'd latch on to something else or make up something of her own.
Oh, and I'm not crazy enough to see any reason in that.
Quote from: Razgovory on February 16, 2012, 08:35:30 PM
Quote from: Caliga on February 16, 2012, 07:45:14 PM
From the sounds of that 'reasoning' her problems go beyond simple paranoia all the way to full-blown paranoid schizophrenia. :wacko:
Only another crazy person would see reason in that non-sense. If it wasn't that, she'd latch on to something else or make up something of her own.
Oh, and I'm not crazy enough to see any reason in that.
You should look into staying that way.
I'm still sort of involved in my local group, they're currently occupying an community arts centre that's slated for demolition by the council, which seems somewhat worthwhile.
But, man I had a laugh this evening, I introduced myself to someone I'd had a couple of 'debates' with on facebook about 'Freeman of the Land' stuff, he shook my hand realised who I was and walked away saying I was unawake and a unbeliever, or some such magic warding words. :D
Then we got into a debate outside with a couple of other people, about the effectiveness(not) of the FOTL and he got a bit uppity, complaining I'd blocked him on facebook and apparently, and this struck me as somewhat paranoid, that because I only had one well known friend, a couple of other people without avatars and all the rest of my 'friends' were occupy people, this meant he had me marked down as "an infiltrator" :lol:
I couldn't stop laughing as I walked away, who knew people in real life weren't ready for Languish style debating. :hmm:
Incidentally, I may have intentionally stirred the pot a bit with the cranky ones, as I've let slip I 'know of two or three people in 'international intelligence agencies', it should be interesting what reactions that produces. I guess my serious point is I'm trying to get over the idea that you have to just trust people and take them at face value rather than all of this paranoia bullshit.
On a more serious note, one of the people there is in a fair bit of trouble with her council tax, and she's going to court and will be relying on the FOTL crap to help her save her.:bleeding:
I spent a some time trying to get he to go the the Citiizen's Advice Bureau, where she'll get some practical, useful legal advice. Sad for her when it all goes wrong, but at least if she persists with the FOTL crap and comes unstuck it might show to the other vulnerable ones that is just utter bullshit.
Quote from: mongers on February 29, 2012, 05:19:37 PM
Incidentally, I may have intentionally stirred the pot a bit with the cranky ones, as I've let slip I 'know of two or three people in 'international intelligence agencies', it should be interesting what reactions that produces.
That's sorta like walking into a head job with a buzz cut, suit and tie, and asking where you could purchase some "marijuana cigarettes".
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 29, 2012, 05:59:15 PM
Quote from: mongers on February 29, 2012, 05:19:37 PM
Incidentally, I may have intentionally stirred the pot a bit with the cranky ones, as I've let slip I 'know of two or three people in 'international intelligence agencies', it should be interesting what reactions that produces.
That's sorta like walking into a head job with a buzz cut, suit and tie, and asking where you could purchase some "marijuana cigarettes".
And you think that wasn't my intention. :D
You, sir, are a provacateaeueur
Quote from: mongers on February 29, 2012, 05:19:37 PM
an community arts centre that's slated for demolition by the council, which seems somewhat worthwhile.
:yes:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 29, 2012, 07:10:33 PM
Quote from: mongers on February 29, 2012, 05:19:37 PM
an community arts centre that's slated for demolition by the council, which seems somewhat worthwhile.
:yes:
Ha ha, you knew what I meant.
More splintering in my local group, there now appears to be a new occupy site set up in a traffic island that involves some that the rest of the group have ostracised. :hmm:
edit:
details here, though I'm not sure how much 'sense' this makes:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-17325102 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-17325102)
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Occupy Bournemouth group stage university protest
The Occupy protesters were evicted from outside the Bournemouth Council offices in November 2011
Protesters from the Occupy movement have set up camp at Bournemouth University demanding a meeting with its chancellor, UK Supreme Court President, Lord Nicholas Phillips.
The group say they want to speak to Lord Phillips who became chancellor in 2009, about the eviction of protesters from St Paul's Cathedral in London.
One protester said they wanted "access to his legal knowledge".
But the university has pledged to take legal action if they do not leave.
Occupy Bournemouth arrived at the university's Talbot campus on Friday and set up several tents.
One protester, Gary Sherborne from Boscombe, said: "Perhaps by occupying the land that he is the figurehead of we're hoping we might get access to his legal knowledge.
"There are current and desperate issues that need to be faced, it's the only way we can get access to some of the law lords."
He added that the group would stay at the campus "for as long as it takes".
A university spokesman said: "This protest is not connected with Bournemouth University.
"We have asked the demonstrators to leave the university grounds. If they do not respond to this request, we will have to take legal action.
"Our primary concern is the well-being and safety of our staff and students."
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edit2:I think it's little more than three people on a traffic isle.
(https://p.twimg.com/AnjC1GmCIAAEPgw.jpg)
:lol:
Quote from: mongers on March 10, 2012, 05:44:18 PM
More splintering in my local group, there now appears to be a new occupy site set up in a traffic island that involves some that the rest of the group have ostracised. :hmm:
The People's Liberation Front of Palestine are a bunch of splitters!!!
And here I thought the Occupy Kiel camp was a miserable sight.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffoerdefluesterer.de%2Fmediashare%2Fch%2Ftaicxrz170httdj9uqxebzo1pesw86-pre.jpg&hash=3d51893d5f7e43c9caeacec56e85fe62fc4db877)
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I'll start worrying when I see a sign demanding the return of New Coke.
It has already returned.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 12, 2012, 01:20:04 PM
I'll start worrying when I see a sign demanding the return of New Coke.
I think one of the non-members, an American woman* who sometimes turns up, must have been complaining about that, as every time one was chatting she'd cut right across you in mid-sentence a la a cokehead.
*unlike ones caricature here, I'm predisposed to like Americans, more specifically woman of a certain age, and she's the first one who've I ever found annoying or failed to get on well with.
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Occupy Spokane opens storefront 'clubhouse'
NWCN.com
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 6:30 PM
SPOKANE-- "Occupy Spokane" now has an official headquarters that members call the "clubhouse" located at east Sprague and Pittsburgh.
Some members say the Occupy Spokane movement is getting more and more organized and always evolving and now the movement has an official home.
Terry Hill is one of three partners who got the club house up and running. In the office. You'll find information about the occupy Spokane movement, and merchandise for sale including coffee and snacks. "The goal is not to make any money, just generate enough revenue that we can afford to stay here and use the place kind of a headquarters for Occupy Spokane."
Occupy has a month to month lease. Hill remained tight-lipped exactly how much it is.
Hill says now occupy members have a place to socialize and plan events. There's even wifi access for more than 30 computers at one time.
Hill says Occupy Spokane is more than just routine organized marches and protests. Members also look to help the community.
Occupy adopted a feline dubbed Occucat from the local Humane Society to man the office. It's also planned fundraising events not solely for the movement's benefit.
The office is opened from 6 a.m. to 10 p.m. everyday.
http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=153852885&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10222 (http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=153852885&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10222)
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Tie-Dye
Smelly Hippies
Looks like a combination of college dorm and washed up moonbat with a touch of church basement.
I can't tell if that's a lamp or a double chambered water bong on the table.
It would be a laugh if a bunch of millionaire Republicans broke in and occupied the Occupy club-house. They could wear their expensive suits, get pissed on champagne and send out for hookers :huh:
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on May 25, 2012, 03:08:35 PM
It would be a laugh if a bunch of millionaire Republicans broke in and occupied the Occupy club-house. They could wear their expensive suits, get pissed on champagne and send out for hookers :huh:
They have a life.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 25, 2012, 04:52:28 PM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on May 25, 2012, 03:08:35 PM
It would be a laugh if a bunch of millionaire Republicans broke in and occupied the Occupy club-house. They could wear their expensive suits, get pissed on champagne and send out for hookers :huh:
They have a life.
Their life is mostly about complaining about scum like the Occupiers. This would, pardon the pun, occupy a large mass of idealogues, and keep them from bothering the general population.
I may have attended the semi-official ending of the occupy movement in the UK ? :unsure:
As it turns out the Dorset/Bournemouth group is pretty much the last group actively 'occupying' places, they tend to get moved on every couple of weeks, but I managed to find the new site, an abandoned car park overlooking the town.
I attended as I had a proposal for a change of tactics, towards a 'legal' form of occupation; which went down well, but I have to do all the leg work to get it set up.
As it was, the meeting was attended by quite a few of the original members, and despite the airing of the original dispute about the paedophile, that had proved so divisive first time around, people seemed to make an effort to get along.
The subject moved on to tactics and perhaps a change of direction, and one of the people who spoke up was an early participant, who'd gone on to concentrate on activities with the union backed UK Uncut group.
And her analysis was that, whilst being OK/great to start with, she'd had enough of it/burned out and thought the movement had come to an end or a dead end. In her mind the general public just thought about it in terms of those tent people and that it was largely without point to continue the same old way, there were better ways of doing things.
I hope I've accurately summed up her views.
And most people seemed to acquiesce to this view, the most vocal and up to that point, the most dominant of the speakers agreed and asked what direction they should now go in. Various ideas were discussed, before the meeting broke up.
So as it now stands, the last few active ones seem to be looking for a new direction and to some extent are fed up with the whole occupying, then getting moved on gig. The end seems not far off.
FTIW, as far as I know London occupy has ceased occupy any locations, though no doubt many at 'doing' on-line 'stuff'.
Oh and someone or some organisation seems to have walked off with 30,000+ quids worth of unspent donations. :hmm:
There's still a big camp in Finsbury Square I think.
You knew that these were going to end in fraud.
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 22, 2012, 09:12:12 PM
There's still a big camp in Finsbury Square I think.
It went more than a month ago, there were 4 'occupiers'* left at the end
* Actually 4 of the homeless addicted characters.
Quote from: Neil on July 22, 2012, 09:19:23 PM
You knew that these were going to end in fail.