Poll
Question:
Whadyathink?
Option 1: Dickheaded
votes: 20
Option 2: Flaky but Harmless
votes: 22
Option 3: Noble and Sensitive
votes: 3
Option 4: Jaron Will Not Be Wearing the Pants
votes: 7
Hmm?
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Quote from: Maximus on December 19, 2011, 05:57:00 PM
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Lettuce has been walking around some part of Tennessee with a cane and glasses. People are split on whether this is a good thing or a bad thing.
Lettuce, have you been blindfolding yourself too? I didn't catch that.
Lettuce doesn't have glasses. It isn't my intent to appear to be blind to others- it is my intent to be blind. I just close my eyes. I have been considering getting a blindfold to make it more obvious I am not a proper blind person, in fact, but I don't have a blindfold, nor any real capacity with tying. It hasn't really come up, in any event.
Abstained from voting, for obvious reasons, although I suppose i'm interested in the results.
The boy's not right in the head.
WTF do you mean "real capacity for tying"? You don't know how to tie a knot?
They have those big fake pregnant bellies for men to wear so they "know how it feels". Whatever. It's harmless.
Um, it's embarrassing to say, but I didn't really learn how to tie shoes for quite awhile. I can do it, but I can't make it look very presentable, and it's a hassle, you know? I wear flip-flops everywhere. Recently my roommate's family was concerned about my health and got me some shoes- sensitive to my shortcomings, they are not shoes you tie.
So now my feet are warm, which has made winter more fun to be outside in.
(I think I have some other shoes I got from my father somewhere.)
I don't like tying things. I'm not good at it; like my handwriting, its an embarrassing thing that I find very crude and indicative of an appalling lack of culture and upbringing, but there is only so much I can do about it.
I take your claim that i'm not right in the head slightly more seriously than I would have in the past- I don't think i'm crazy, but I've felt unwell often lately. Just megrims and the malaise, is all. I have plans for the future, but it's nothing amazing. I want to get my sonnet project done.
Pretending to be blind--no big deal.
Wearing flip-flops--unforgivable.
It's wrong.
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 19, 2011, 06:45:14 PM
It's wrong.
Precisely. Besides, he himself called it "recreational blindness", IIRC, which strikes me as somehow fetishistic in nature, something of which he has made already many mentions.
It's just one more sign of him not being right in the head.
Total dick move.
Go get an amputation so you can "fake" being crippled.
Quote from: Ideologue on December 19, 2011, 06:09:29 PM
WTF do you mean "real capacity for tying"? You don't know how to tie a knot?
You just had to take the bait. :mad:
It is indeed something I do primarily for my own pleasure. I don't think it enables me to understand the world of the blind very much- I can see if I need to, although I've kept my eyes closed at times I would've been very advised to open them. I just enjoy it. It lets me think differently and more carefully. Lately something i've been trying to promote is slowness with everything- I don't want to hurry through anything, and blindness puts me in the mindset of going slowly and considering everything rather effectively. There are other considerations as well that lead me to enjoy it. It feels a welcome disconnect with the rest of the world- a sort of severance. Today when Wendys had unpleasant things that would normally have weighed me down, they were shut out of mind in a way that I would've had difficulty with typically.
I regret that my beloved roommate didn't support the idea at all, and was torn for several days about my decision to get a cane. I skinned myself up one time when stairs jumped out at me though, and that wouldn't have happened had I had a cane (and indeed, hasn't happened since), so I figured if it was something I enjoyed, I may as well indulge it- it is the christmas gift I am getting myself for the holidays. I do not anticipate this hobby to be permanent- there are several strong pulls to cease doing it before school starts up again. The idea of someone helping me on the assumption that I am blind does embarrass me. The idea of someone interacting with me in any but the most perfunctory manner embarrasses me. It is monday night- in two days a man will come in to clean the bathroom, and I dread that contact, although he is rather friendly.
I have actually considered sincere blindness, but it feels immoral and imprudent to blind myself at this time. I have things I want/need to do, any they require vision. I do not rule out the possibility in the future, but such an action is irreversible and calls for an enormous amount of caution and consideration- presumably I would only ever blind myself if I reached a point in life where I did not anticipate needing vision in the future. Due to the narrow band of times when this would be the case, it is highly unlikely I will blind myself. Additionally, I am unwilling to be an imposition on others to the degree that I would become without any vision. I don't want to require a handler- I want to live without anyone resenting a need to care for me. I am set to be able to do this, but that's impossible for a blind person. So in short, blindness is something I consider with fascination, but it only has application as something I indulge.
It's no worse than other weird things that some people do, such as being gay or going to protests.
He may be on to a career future with this one!
Send a resume and video to the NFL Commish, and you might get hired as a ref.
Quote from: Lettow77 on December 19, 2011, 07:05:54 PM
I have actually considered sincere blindness, but it feels immoral and imprudent to blind myself at this time. I have things I want/need to do, any they require vision. I do not rule out the possibility in the future, but such an action is irreversible and calls for an enormous amount of caution and consideration- presumably I would only ever blind myself if I reached a point in life where I did not anticipate needing vision in the future.
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The boy's not right in the head.
Quote from: Lettow77 on December 19, 2011, 07:05:54 PM
I have actually considered sincere blindness, but it feels immoral and imprudent to blind myself at this time.
:wacko: Ok Loedipus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qKcJF4fOPs
He's doing his best to out crazy me.
I'd like to see a real blind person who's faking good eyesight to keep a driver's license run him over with a Ford F-150. At about 65mph.
I think the cane is the problem. If you want to wander around with your eyes closed, that's your prerogative.
But you've described people helping you with doors, etc. which leads me to think you are giving the impression (intentionally or not) that you are actually blind, rather than just a sighted young man with profound psychological problems walking around with his eyes closed.
You know I didn't follow these forums much for years, but when I used to a lot more closely I remember lettow was just a super weird kid. It's obviously the case he is a full blown mental case now, with guaranteed severe personality disorder and almost certainly mental illness now as well.
When did this fascinating change happen?
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 19, 2011, 09:29:16 PM
You know I didn't follow these forums much for years, but when I used to a lot more closely I remember lettow was just a super weird kid. It's obviously the case he is a full blown mental case now, with guaranteed severe personality disorder and almost certainly mental illness now as well.
When did this fascinating change happen?
I think he's just after attention & you guys are being played.
Quote from: derspiess on December 19, 2011, 09:35:56 PM
I think he's just after attention & you guys are being played.
Pretending to be crazy for years with nothing to be gained from it is still pretty crazy in itself.
Lettow needs social support. He has had an incredibly difficult time. I read the obituaries he posted of his mother's overdose death and then his father's suicide (within a couple of years), and it is clear that he is not bullshitting.
His parents both died a few years ago. While they apparently filled his head with bad ideas, I'm guessing they kept him at least somewhat grounded in reality. His girlfriend broke up with him this year and I'm guessing that's not helping.
I didn't think his dad committed suicide. :hmm:
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on December 19, 2011, 09:25:08 PM
I think the cane is the problem. If you want to wander around with your eyes closed, that's your prerogative.
But you've described people helping you with doors, etc. which leads me to think you are giving the impression (intentionally or not) that you are actually blind, rather than just a sighted young man with profound psychological problems walking around with his eyes closed.
Pretty much everything I've ever said to him has been supportive.
Quote from: Ideologue on December 19, 2011, 10:02:19 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on December 19, 2011, 09:25:08 PM
I think the cane is the problem. If you want to wander around with your eyes closed, that's your prerogative.
But you've described people helping you with doors, etc. which leads me to think you are giving the impression (intentionally or not) that you are actually blind, rather than just a sighted young man with profound psychological problems walking around with his eyes closed.
Pretty much everything I've ever said to him has been supportive.
:unsure: I wasn't J'Accusing you... or anyone for that matter...
Is he doing this a lot? - Yeah, thats mad and wrong.
Is it a once or twice just to see what its like? - A bit weird but nothing too insane, a lot of people trying out little challenges when bored.
The boy needs a head headshrinker. He's going to keep coming up with stupid ideas and eventually one of them is going to kill him. Like when he wanted to bike across Nevada in the summer. We'll seem him on the news as the guy who jumped into a lion enclosure at the zoo, or base jump off a bridge with out any experience.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on December 19, 2011, 09:25:08 PM
But you've described people helping you with doors, etc. which leads me to think you are giving the impression (intentionally or not) that you are actually blind, rather than just a sighted young man with profound psychological problems walking around with his eyes closed.
+1
Quote from: derspiess on December 19, 2011, 09:35:56 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 19, 2011, 09:29:16 PM
You know I didn't follow these forums much for years, but when I used to a lot more closely I remember lettow was just a super weird kid. It's obviously the case he is a full blown mental case now, with guaranteed severe personality disorder and almost certainly mental illness now as well.
When did this fascinating change happen?
I think Jaron's just after attention & you guys are being played.
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Nah, Jaron actually does roam the streets of Utah poking things with his cane.
Quote from: Razgovory on December 19, 2011, 10:42:40 PM
Like when he wanted to bike across Nevada in the summer.
That sounds amazing. It would be a really fun holiday.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 19, 2011, 06:30:09 PM
Wearing flip-flops--unforgivable.
WTF?
Socks and sandals is where unforgivable comes into play.
Quote from: Neil on December 19, 2011, 07:07:58 PM
It's no worse than other weird things that some people do, such as being gay or going to protests.
False. Homosexual acts can be kept behind closed doors. Protests or parading around in public as a pseudo-blind person can't.
I voted dick move.
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 19, 2011, 11:27:27 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 19, 2011, 10:42:40 PM
Like when he wanted to bike across Nevada in the summer.
That sounds amazing. It would be a really fun holiday.
If you had experience and equipment. It's a big desert, and not a lot of places to stop and get water. It's extremely dangerous for a neophyte.
Hello! To be as serious as I can here- I don't believe i'm crazy. If it's evident I am from languish posts, that's a little worrying, but I would think i've gotten better since I first came here. Things get taken out of context too often. I mean, in a prior paragraph- I did my very best to make it clear I had no intention of blinding myself, and the take away was that I was an unstable madman who was going to take out his own eyes. Absolutely not- that'd be irrational, as I said.
Compared to who I was when I came here, I am a quieter, friendlier person, who tries to consider other's feelings more, is less in a hurry, and i've cured a codependency that plagued me for years. I am mortified at the hurtful things I did to others as a high school student, particularly people I was supposed to care about. I have nothing to be proud about regarding foolish racist statements as well. In general, I've gradually distanced myself from fanatical nationalism. Not that the South was wrong- i'd never say that it was, and I love it dearly, but it's just not worth the mental strain. There are other things to care about and i've more than upheld my obligation. As well, once I got into college I finally started trying in class, so I easily have above a 3.5. Beyond that, i'm learning lots of fascinating things, and feeling a sense of awe at just how much there is to learn.
I like the improvements, although naturally things are not ideal. I am satisfied as a scholar, but somewhere along the line the binding promises I made to myself, among other things, ensured that I couldn't be satisfied with myself as a person. Not that I do not like who I have become, but that I know I will be unable to be what was expected of me. When my Father was alive my future was secure as a path to law, but now that is very doubtful. I do not anticipate ever functioning to that level within society- I have re-aligned my expectations to be in tune with this failure, and readjusted what I want to accomplish in life. I think I have a good chance of accomplishing my new goals, and I will therefore be relatively satisfied with life.
I have had the pleasure of knowing a wonderful friend, and the kindness of strangers as well. Life has lots of little warm points. I am grateful for the massive amounts of time for repose and leisure I get- it cheers me not to be subjected to any kind of labour.
What is the anatomy of a severe personality disorder, with attendant mental illness? I am quite functioning, languish; I don't see things that aren't there, I don't have voices, or any of that. I would hate for a differing outlook in life to be classified as crazy in and of itself. Consider that it could just be the result of different experiences.
I think you should cut off your own nuts and teabag yourself.
You can still be functioning and have mental illness. Many people are. I honestly think you should have get a psych exam. I think it might help. I can't really hazard a guess as to what exactly is wrong with you. A person's internet and real persona can differ drastically. None of your acts seem to indicate you have a personality disorder (which is good), but you are certainly eccentric and have suffered some heavy losses recently. Seeing a doctor would be playing it safe.
Harmless, attention-seeking eccentricity. He's not harming himself or others, so far as is known. If he was better connected, maybe he could get an arts council grant for his 'performance art'. It isn't really any crazier than stuff other so-called performance artists do. :D
Quote from: Malthus on December 20, 2011, 09:18:17 AM
Harmless, attention-seeking eccentricity. He's not harming himself or others, so far as is known. If he was better connected, maybe he could get an arts council grant for his 'performance art'. It isn't really any crazier than stuff other so-called performance artists do. :D
:yes:
it's only harmless until he starts killing people to "see what it's liek to be a seriel killer" :contract:
Voted harmless.
Quote from: HVC on December 20, 2011, 09:41:17 AM
it's only harmless until he starts killing people to "see what it's liek to be a seriel killer" :contract:
Gonna be a bit hard chasing victims while tap-tapping along pretending to be blind. ;)
Quote from: Malthus on December 20, 2011, 09:48:55 AM
Quote from: HVC on December 20, 2011, 09:41:17 AM
it's only harmless until he starts killing people to "see what it's liek to be a seriel killer" :contract:
Gonna be a bit hard chasing victims while tap-tapping along pretending to be blind. ;)
No one ever suspects the blind man of being a killer ;) it's the perfect alibi :lol:
Quote from: HVC on December 20, 2011, 09:51:45 AM
Quote from: Malthus on December 20, 2011, 09:48:55 AM
Quote from: HVC on December 20, 2011, 09:41:17 AM
it's only harmless until he starts killing people to "see what it's liek to be a seriel killer" :contract:
Gonna be a bit hard chasing victims while tap-tapping along pretending to be blind. ;)
No one ever suspects the blind man of being a killer ;) it's the perfect alibi :lol:
The
real blind man, no. Lettice, with all his bizzare obsessions OTOH ... :hmm: :D
Quote from: Maximus on December 19, 2011, 11:09:03 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 19, 2011, 09:35:56 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 19, 2011, 09:29:16 PM
You know I didn't follow these forums much for years, but when I used to a lot more closely I remember lettow was just a super weird kid. It's obviously the case he is a full blown mental case now, with guaranteed severe personality disorder and almost certainly mental illness now as well.
When did this fascinating change happen?
I think Jaron's just after attention & you guys are being played.
fixed
The problem with the sock puppet hypothesis is that if true - the joke is on them, because no gag is worth this level of effort (not to mention all those sonnets). Besides this is a bit too strange to be anything else other than true.
Quote from: Lettow77 on December 20, 2011, 06:39:00 AM
I am mortified at the hurtful things I did to others as a high school student, particularly people I was supposed to care about. I have nothing to be proud about regarding foolish racist statements as well. In general, I've gradually distanced myself from fanatical nationalism.
If the tradeoff for this is ersatz blindness, I vote harmless.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 20, 2011, 10:17:58 AM
Quote from: Lettow77 on December 20, 2011, 06:39:00 AM
I am mortified at the hurtful things I did to others as a high school student, particularly people I was supposed to care about. I have nothing to be proud about regarding foolish racist statements as well. In general, I've gradually distanced myself from fanatical nationalism.
If the tradeoff for this is ersatz blindness, I vote harmless.
the only way to truly make it up to the black people you harmed with your words is to walk a mile in their shoes to see how they feel. To that end i recommend going in black face for a week. preferably in a black neighborhood to get the real experience.
I never harmed any black people, though! That's the good part of self-segregation- it was only white people I consistently offended.
I remember back in high school there were numerous black kids who called me confederate and greeted me enthusiastically whenever they saw me. My secessionist proclivities were widely known, but nobody ever took that as a racial attack in any way. ISS was my favourite class, and it was more or less entirely black.
Edit: The ISS monitor told me I was hard, and shook my hand :blush:
He silenced the disgusted and delighted cries of the class when I requested permission to eat out of the garbage, telling me to go right on ahead, and as I ate some delicious pizza he informed the class they were all weekend gangsters who sit on their hands on monday mornings and didn't know what it was like to come from the wrong side of the tracks, and that I was a junk-yard dog and would do what I wanted to do. I just wanted to eat something, and it was such a colossal waste as it was!
Quote from: HVC on December 20, 2011, 10:21:04 AM
the only way to truly make it up to the black people you harmed with your words is to walk a mile in their shoes to see how they feel. To that end i recommend going in black face for a week. preferably in a black neighborhood to get the real experience.
Seconded.
I'm not actually diagnosing anyone with a personality disorder or mental illness, but I've seen it before and I know the DSM-IV pretty well.
What I am saying is lettow needs a great deal of attention with someone licensed to make such a diagnosis.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 20, 2011, 10:16:10 AM
Quote from: Maximus on December 19, 2011, 11:09:03 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 19, 2011, 09:35:56 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 19, 2011, 09:29:16 PM
You know I didn't follow these forums much for years, but when I used to a lot more closely I remember lettow was just a super weird kid. It's obviously the case he is a full blown mental case now, with guaranteed severe personality disorder and almost certainly mental illness now as well.
When did this fascinating change happen?
I think Jaron's just after attention & you guys are being played.
fixed
The problem with the sock puppet hypothesis is that if true - the joke is on them, because no gag is worth this level of effort (not to mention all those sonnets). Besides this is a bit too strange to be anything else other than true.
He must be the most elaborate sockpuppet ever, what with a facebook profile complete with a pic and posts and whatnot.
Quote from: Razgovory on December 19, 2011, 07:38:43 PM
He's doing his best to out crazy me.
I don't think he's really trying. :(
I vote not a sock.
Lettuce, though perhaps crazy as a bedbug, has a distinctive literary style.
Quote from: Razgovory on December 19, 2011, 07:38:43 PM
He's doing his best to out crazy me.
Ever eat from a trash can during class? No? You lose.
I absolutely have to clarify. It wasn't trash, just on account of being in the trash!
The ISS monitor was rightfully widely regarded, so somebody knocked on the door and offered him an entire pizza. With great relish, he opened the pizza and took a large bite from one slice, eating about half of it in one go. He made loud sounds of appreciation, and then, reflecting that he never could finish a pizza, he tossed the entire remainder in the trash over the protests of the class.
I hadn't eaten much in the last few days at the time, and I could scarcely stand by and watch the pizza go to waste. It was delicious. High school trash bins are mostly just paper anyway, right?
Quote from: HVC on December 20, 2011, 10:42:38 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 19, 2011, 07:38:43 PM
He's doing his best to out crazy me.
Ever eat from a trash can during class? No? You lose.
The real issue is this: if someone goes out of their way to think up new ways of appearing crazy are they, in point of fact, actually crazy? To what extent does the effort
become the accomplishment?
Quote from: Lettow77 on December 20, 2011, 10:45:31 AM
I absolutely have to clarify. It wasn't trash, just on account of being in the trash!
The ISS monitor was rightfully widely regarded, so somebody knocked on the door and offered him an entire pizza. With great relish, he opened the pizza and took a large bite from one slice, eating about half of it in one go. He made loud sounds of appreciation, and then, reflecting that he never could finish a pizza, he tossed the entire remainder in the trash over the protests of the class.
I hadn't eaten much in the last few days at the time, and I could scarcely stand by and watch the pizza go to waste. It was delicious. High school trash bins are mostly just paper anyway, right?
Eh, that one I'll let slide. Caliga has done much worse.
Quote from: Malthus on December 20, 2011, 10:46:45 AM
Quote from: HVC on December 20, 2011, 10:42:38 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 19, 2011, 07:38:43 PM
He's doing his best to out crazy me.
Ever eat from a trash can during class? No? You lose.
The real issue is this: if someone goes out of their way to think up new ways of appearing crazy are they, in point of fact, actually crazy? To what extent does the effort become the accomplishment?
Hmm. very philosophical question. i guess the point is if they're going out of the way to appear insane for attention, or they're just finding new interests and ways of expressing themselves which just happen to be bat shit insane.
I mean Raz is nuts too, but at least he knows it and takes means to lessen his craziness or at least the more damaging potential outcomes. A crazy man who recognizes it is less dangerous then they person who doesn't recognize it and doesn't stem it.
Quote from: HVC on December 20, 2011, 10:52:01 AM
Hmm. very philosophical question. i guess the point is if they're going out of the way to appear insane for attention, or they're just finding new interests and ways of expressing themselves which just happen to be bat shit insane.
I mean Raz is nuts too, but at least he knows it and takes means to lessen his craziness or at least the more damaging potential outcomes. A crazy man who recognizes it is less dangerous then they person who doesn't recognize it and doesn't stem it.
I guess to answer my own question, I'd draw the line at manifestations of craziness that actually threaten or harm people. As far as I know, Lettuce never does this, and so his hobbies fall more into the "artistic eccentric" camp. :)
I am glad that Lettow is doing his part to keep Languish from dying.
Harmless. No sane person could object.
Quote from: Lettow77 on December 20, 2011, 10:45:31 AM
I absolutely have to clarify. It wasn't trash, just on account of being in the trash!
The ISS monitor was rightfully widely regarded, so somebody knocked on the door and offered him an entire pizza. With great relish, he opened the pizza and took a large bite from one slice, eating about half of it in one go. He made loud sounds of appreciation, and then, reflecting that he never could finish a pizza, he tossed the entire remainder in the trash over the protests of the class.
I hadn't eaten much in the last few days at the time, and I could scarcely stand by and watch the pizza go to waste. It was delicious. High school trash bins are mostly just paper anyway, right?
I'm pretty sure you're stealing this anecdote from Seinfeld.
Next to garbage, is garbage.
Uh-oh. Biscuit is in MythBusters mode. Watch out. :ph34r:
Is this a real question, or some kind of inside joke I am not aware of?
Quote from: Malthus on December 20, 2011, 10:57:37 AMI guess to answer my own question, I'd draw the line at manifestations of craziness that actually threaten or harm people. As far as I know, Lettuce never does this, and so his hobbies fall more into the "artistic eccentric" camp. :)
The diagnostic criteria for mental illnesses aren't based on whether the person is a threat or not. I would probably agree Lettow isn't a threat to others, he may be a threat to himself. Neither of those things are evidence for or against mental illness. He obviously would need to be diagnosed by a professional. But none of the things said here are used by diagnosing psychiatrists to decide if someone is or isn't afflicted with a certain mental illness.
Most people with schizophrenia for example know they have schizophrenia and know on an intellectual level what that means. Based on their personality type they may be raging attention whores who do things for shock value.
A key to remember and it is oft-repeated in the behavioral health fields "patients are not their disease." Someone who has schizophrenia is just as able as you or me to create an internet "crazy person" troll persona, that is entirely the product of their personality and not a product of their disease. The fact that they can do that doesn't mean they are or are not schizophrenic (or [insert disease here].)
In Lettow's case I get the "vibe" (which is all any of us can get) that he is not acting entirely for our benefit, I think he probably enjoys some level of attention here but I also think he has improper impulse control, irrational thought patterns, disorganized thinking, unhealthy obsessions, generalized social anxiety, and several other things that to a layman who has had some experience in this part of the medical world suggests that if a psychiatrist knew him IRL he'd probably want to spend some time alone with him in an interview setting to determine his mental state.
Quote from: lustindarkness on December 20, 2011, 11:00:24 AM
I am glad that Lettow is doing his part to keep Languish from dying.
Unlike you :angry:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 20, 2011, 02:53:55 PM
Uh-oh. Biscuit is in MythBusters mode. Watch out. :ph34r:
There's an episode of Seinfeld in which George is at a girlfriend's mother's apartment. Someone has thrown an eclair into the trash, it is sitting at the top of the open receptacle, the eclair is on a paper plate and not touching any of the rest of the garbage, and it has one bite taken out of it.
George takes it out of the trash and the girlfriend's mother walks in and catches him, awkward situation ensues (full disclosure: I've eaten food off the floor so an eclair on a paper plate resting on top of garbage I'd also probably eat.)
In the ensuing dialogue when George is relating the story to Jerry George insists it isn't trash "just because it is in the bin", but Jerry insists "next to garbage, is garbage." While not an exact mirror, I see a strong influence in Lettow's story and his phrasing.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 20, 2011, 03:01:26 PM
There's an episode of Seinfeld in which George is at a girlfriend's mother's apartment. Someone has thrown an eclair into the trash, it is sitting at the top of the open receptacle, the eclair is on a paper plate and not touching any of the rest of the garbage, and it has one bite taken out of it.
George takes it out of the trash and the girlfriend's mother walks in and catches him, awkward situation ensues (full disclosure: I've eaten food off the floor so an eclair on a paper plate resting on top of garbage I'd also probably eat.)
In the ensuing dialogue when George is relating the story to Jerry George insists it isn't trash "just because it is in the bin", but Jerry insists "next to garbage, is garbage." While not an exact mirror, I see a strong influence in Lettow's story and his phrasing.
I thought you were trying to nail Lettuce as a bullshitter, a la Hockey.
I knew punks who were happy to have dinner by recovering leftover McDonalds food from a trashcan.
Uhh.. Seinfeld is a bit before my time. That'd be something of an obscure reference for me, also- who watches amerifat shows?
I absolutely love eclairs, though. Best form of donut.
Edit: I guess it won't do to mention when some people still think I might be a sockpuppet, but really the idea that I would invent a story is very alien to my behaviour. I've always been an honest person. I am proud of my integrity, and rank it one of my better traits, behind my loyalty. Loyalty is my favourite trait in myself or others- I am endlessly fond of loyalty and think everyone should cultivate it.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 20, 2011, 03:01:26 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 20, 2011, 02:53:55 PM
Uh-oh. Biscuit is in MythBusters mode. Watch out. :ph34r:
There's an episode of Seinfeld in which George is at a girlfriend's mother's apartment. Someone has thrown an eclair into the trash, it is sitting at the top of the open receptacle, the eclair is on a paper plate and not touching any of the rest of the garbage, and it has one bite taken out of it.
George takes it out of the trash and the girlfriend's mother walks in and catches him, awkward situation ensues (full disclosure: I've eaten food off the floor so an eclair on a paper plate resting on top of garbage I'd also probably eat.)
In the ensuing dialogue when George is relating the story to Jerry George insists it isn't trash "just because it is in the bin", but Jerry insists "next to garbage, is garbage." While not an exact mirror, I see a strong influence in Lettow's story and his phrasing.
FWIW, I'm on George's side on this, except for the fact that someone else had already been eating it.
Quote from: DGuller on December 20, 2011, 10:49:10 AM
Quote from: Lettow77 on December 20, 2011, 10:45:31 AM
I absolutely have to clarify. It wasn't trash, just on account of being in the trash!
The ISS monitor was rightfully widely regarded, so somebody knocked on the door and offered him an entire pizza. With great relish, he opened the pizza and took a large bite from one slice, eating about half of it in one go. He made loud sounds of appreciation, and then, reflecting that he never could finish a pizza, he tossed the entire remainder in the trash over the protests of the class.
I hadn't eaten much in the last few days at the time, and I could scarcely stand by and watch the pizza go to waste. It was delicious. High school trash bins are mostly just paper anyway, right?
Eh, that one I'll let slide. Caliga has done much worse.
:lol:
Well played, Dorsey.
Quote from: Lettow77 on December 20, 2011, 03:07:34 PM
Uhh.. Seinfeld is a bit before my time. That'd be something of an obscure reference for me, also- who watches amerifat shows?
I absolutely love eclairs, though. Best form of donut.
Edit: I guess it won't do to mention when some people still think I might be a sockpuppet, but really the idea that I would invent a story is very alien to my behaviour. I've always been an honest person. I am proud of my integrity, and rank it one of my better traits, behind my loyalty. Loyalty is my favourite trait in myself or others- I am endlessly fond of loyalty and think everyone should cultivate it.
Dude, pretending you are blind is a big dishonor of those who are blind for real, and those who think you can't see and help you out. There have to be better ways to get attention and sympathy.
Your writings are most certainly weird, but I think they show enough creativity and brains to conclude that you can do decent in this life, but it depends on wether your sanity is beyond repair or not.
Quote from: Lettow77 on December 20, 2011, 03:07:34 PM
Uhh.. Seinfeld is a bit before my time. That'd be something of an obscure reference for me, also- who watches amerifat shows?
That term would be :rolleyes: in itself, but then add that two of the major characters, Jerry and Kramer are stick thin...
Spare us your cultural posturings, Wiggin. Don't you see you are only falling prey to the jewish conspiracy? The fugu keikaku's failure is the only reason japan has the last free media in the world.
Quote from: Lettow77 on December 20, 2011, 04:18:40 PM
Spare us your cultural posturings, Wiggin. Don't you see you are only falling prey to the jewish conspiracy? The fugu keikaku's failure is the only reason japan has the last free media in the world.
Come, come, don't be naive - don't you know that Shinto is just Judaism in its Japanese guise? Japan is the new Jerusalem! :D
Quote from: Malthus on December 20, 2011, 04:36:03 PM
Quote from: Lettow77 on December 20, 2011, 04:18:40 PM
Spare us your cultural posturings, Wiggin. Don't you see you are only falling prey to the jewish conspiracy? The fugu keikaku's failure is the only reason japan has the last free media in the world.
Come, come, don't be naive - don't you know that Shinto is just Judaism in its Japanese guise? Japan is the new Jerusalem! :D
The Palestinians = The Ainu?
But with less suicide bombers.
If you turn around while leaving Nagasaki, you'll be turned into a pillar of salt?
Quote from: Valmy on December 20, 2011, 04:38:17 PM
The Palestinians = The Ainu?
But with less suicide bombers.
And significantly more hairy.
Quote from: Lettow77 on December 20, 2011, 04:39:28 PM
If you turn around while leaving Nagasaki, you'll be turned into a pillar of salt?
We
do not want to see the hentai version of the story of Lot and his daughters. :yuk:
Quote from: Ideologue on December 20, 2011, 03:09:15 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 20, 2011, 03:01:26 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 20, 2011, 02:53:55 PM
Uh-oh. Biscuit is in MythBusters mode. Watch out. :ph34r:
There's an episode of Seinfeld in which George is at a girlfriend's mother's apartment. Someone has thrown an eclair into the trash, it is sitting at the top of the open receptacle, the eclair is on a paper plate and not touching any of the rest of the garbage, and it has one bite taken out of it.
George takes it out of the trash and the girlfriend's mother walks in and catches him, awkward situation ensues (full disclosure: I've eaten food off the floor so an eclair on a paper plate resting on top of garbage I'd also probably eat.)
In the ensuing dialogue when George is relating the story to Jerry George insists it isn't trash "just because it is in the bin", but Jerry insists "next to garbage, is garbage." While not an exact mirror, I see a strong influence in Lettow's story and his phrasing.
FWIW, I'm on George's side on this, except for the fact that someone else had already been eating it.
Yes, I don't generally like to eat after people at all. But if it was just an eclair on a plate without a bite taken out of it, I would've eaten it as well. Jerry is the same guy who in one episode has to discard a shoe lace because it touched the floor of a men's room.
I also probably would have refrained from doing it at my girlfriend's mom's party.
Now I really want an eclair! I had four two days ago, as gratuitous as that sounds- I made an expedition to get them. I'll fetch eclairs again in january.
Its very name is cultured :blush:
Lettuce has become one giant cry for help and attention.
I love those huge containers of frozen mini-eclairs. :mmm:
If anybody ever says he is my sock again, I'm going to find them and castrate them.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 20, 2011, 07:39:14 PM
If anybody ever says he is my sock again, I'm going to find them and castrate them.
Maybe you're a sock of his ?
Has anyone on the forum ever met Monkeybutt ?
After all we've more proof that he exists that you do. :P
Quote from: Malthus on December 20, 2011, 10:42:31 AM
Lettuce, though perhaps crazy as a bedbug, has a distinctive literary style.
Agreed. I always enjoy reading Lettow's posts for the style. In my head I hear them being read by Truman Capote.
Cal thought I was Crunchy for the longest time. No idea why.
I can see that.
Quote from: Razgovory on December 20, 2011, 07:44:43 PM
Cal thought I was Crunchy for the longest time. No idea why.
Why would you have an idea, he only posted here for like 6 months and was gone before you arrived. :hmm:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 20, 2011, 08:03:13 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 20, 2011, 07:44:43 PM
Cal thought I was Crunchy for the longest time. No idea why.
Why would you have an idea, he only posted here for like 6 months and was gone before you arrived. :hmm:
I remember him from Pdox. I found him annoying and flaky.
Raz and Crunch are pretty similar, although Raz isn't as quotable.
Quote from: Neil on December 20, 2011, 08:21:04 PM
Raz and Crunch are pretty similar, although Raz isn't as quotable.
You really know how to hurt a guy, don't you?
Quote from: mongers on December 20, 2011, 07:41:54 PM
Has anyone on the forum ever met Monkeybutt ?
Never have, never will. No interest at all.
Quote from: Razgovory on December 20, 2011, 08:23:34 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 20, 2011, 08:21:04 PM
Raz and Crunch are pretty similar, although Raz isn't as quotable.
You really know how to hurt a guy, don't you?
I do.
Crunch was pretty fun, the way he would try and make up ways in which his libertarian socialist structure would work.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 20, 2011, 08:30:38 PM
Quote from: mongers on December 20, 2011, 07:41:54 PM
Has anyone on the forum ever met Monkeybutt ?
Never have, never will. No interest at all.
Was that the guy who got arrested for running a prostitution ring?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 20, 2011, 09:10:03 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 20, 2011, 08:30:38 PM
Quote from: mongers on December 20, 2011, 07:41:54 PM
Has anyone on the forum ever met Monkeybutt ?
Never have, never will. No interest at all.
Was that the guy who got arrested for running a prostitution ring?
MB is dead.
Quote from: Neil on December 20, 2011, 08:46:18 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 20, 2011, 08:23:34 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 20, 2011, 08:21:04 PM
Raz and Crunch are pretty similar, although Raz isn't as quotable.
You really know how to hurt a guy, don't you?
I do.
Crunch was pretty fun, the way he would try and make up ways in which his libertarian socialist structure would work.
my most memorable Crunch moment is when Kat made him cry on KAPland
Quote from: Neil on December 20, 2011, 08:46:18 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 20, 2011, 08:23:34 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 20, 2011, 08:21:04 PM
Raz and Crunch are pretty similar, although Raz isn't as quotable.
You really know how to hurt a guy, don't you?
I do.
Crunch was pretty fun, the way he would try and make up ways in which his libertarian socialist structure would work.
I'm not really big on Utopia politics.
My most memorable Crunch moment was when he claimed his uncle anal-raped him in his sleep, and he (Crunch) never woke up, but only discovered it from noticing semen in his asshole. :lol:
Anyway, I had long suspected that Lettow was Jaron, but that possibility has been downgraded to around a 10% likelihood or so.
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on December 21, 2011, 07:54:10 AM
My most memorable Crunch moment was when he claimed his uncle anal-raped him in his sleep, and he (Crunch) never woke up, but only discovered it from noticing semen in his asshole. :lol:
You forget; it was dried semen. In his crack, not his asshole.
Bring back Crunch. He was OSSUM.
Also, maybe he'll get Keewee done then. :)
Quote from: Razgovory on December 21, 2011, 02:45:52 AM
Quote from: Neil on December 20, 2011, 08:46:18 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 20, 2011, 08:23:34 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 20, 2011, 08:21:04 PM
Raz and Crunch are pretty similar, although Raz isn't as quotable.
You really know how to hurt a guy, don't you?
I do.
Crunch was pretty fun, the way he would try and make up ways in which his libertarian socialist structure would work.
I'm not really big on Utopia politics.
All idealogies besides the most utilitarian are ultimately utopian.
Quote from: citizen k on December 21, 2011, 10:20:25 PM
All idealogies besides the most utilitarian are ultimately utopian.
Utilitarianism strikes me as one of the most utopian political philosophies.
Quote from: citizen k on December 21, 2011, 10:20:25 PM
All idealogies besides the most utilitarian are ultimately utopian.
Nonsense. I have ideologies but even if my ideas were enacted in full I don't expect it to be sunshine and happiness forever. In fact, I suspect that some of my ideas won't always work and I respect opposition to my ideas to help balance it out.
Quote from: Malthus on December 20, 2011, 04:42:13 PM
Quote from: Lettow77 on December 20, 2011, 04:39:28 PM
If you turn around while leaving Nagasaki, you'll be turned into a pillar of salt?
We do not want to see the hentai version of the story of Lot and his daughters. :yuk:
Not hentai, but animated and only mildly NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bar3GOzDNzg
If you're interested in how the blind perceive the world Denis Diderot wrote a pretty good work called "Letters on the blind for the use of those who can see". This was when the first eye surgeries were taking place in France and people who never had seen would get eye sight for the first time. He talked to the blind on how they perceived the world as blind and then how their perception changed when they saw.
But I suppose a figure of the enlightenment might be viewed by distrust by a champion of southern culture.
So you suppose, but falsely; the South was quite happy to look adoringly to France for cultural innovation, and of course much good comes out of the enlightenment. I don't know why it would seem that the South rejects this, other than adopting a blanket notion that the South must despise "progress" in any of its guises.
I'm reading it right now, though. Thank you! France is the centre of the blind world, clearly.
Edit:
"I asked him what he meant by a mirror ? * c An
instrument," answered he, "which sets things in
relief at a distance from themselves, when properly
placed with regard to it. It is like my hand, which,
to feel an object, I must not put on one side of it,"
This is love.
Even if I accept your argument that the South of the past was willing to look forward, the modern South is a different place. Their defeat in the culture war has made them weak and stupid.