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Title: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: mongers on December 13, 2011, 07:58:04 AM
Just appearing on the wires:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/world-europe-16161746

Quotegun and grenade attack in the centre of the Belgian city of Liege has killed at least two people and wounded about 10, Belgian media say.

They say several men threw grenades and fired on a crowd at a bus stop.

Some reports say one of the attackers is among the dead. Local media said another had been seized by police but gunfire was continuing.

The area has been sealed off. There is no word on who carried out the attack.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: 11B4V on December 13, 2011, 08:00:45 AM
Man, why they fuckin with Belgium.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Grallon on December 13, 2011, 08:03:51 AM
Is Muslim vermin involved?




G.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Tamas on December 13, 2011, 08:11:12 AM
Or is it the Schlieffen Plan all over again?
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Drakken on December 13, 2011, 08:12:17 AM
More probably a Neo-Fall Gelb.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Razgovory on December 13, 2011, 08:18:48 AM
Quote from: Grallon on December 13, 2011, 08:03:51 AM
Is Muslim vermin involved?




G.

Last time, it was your type of scum.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Neil on December 13, 2011, 08:27:13 AM
Probably Francophones.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Razgovory on December 13, 2011, 08:33:02 AM
From what I'm seeing the suspect was about 40 and killed himself.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: BVN on December 13, 2011, 08:34:17 AM
Apparently not a terrorist attack, but an escape attempt from the courthouse by 3 to 4 people. Why one of them started lobbing grenades at people waiting for a bus is not clear.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 13, 2011, 09:11:56 AM
Quote from: Neil on December 13, 2011, 08:27:13 AM
Probably Francophones.

Given what they speak in Liège, no ;)
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Malthus on December 13, 2011, 09:16:07 AM
Quote from: BVN on December 13, 2011, 08:34:17 AM
Apparently not a terrorist attack, but an escape attempt from the courthouse by 3 to 4 people. Why one of them started lobbing grenades at people waiting for a bus is not clear.

I guess "sneak out inconspicuously" was plan "B".
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Valmy on December 13, 2011, 09:26:27 AM
Quote from: Neil on December 13, 2011, 08:27:13 AM
Probably Francophones.

They would bomb their own city eh?  Wacky Walloons.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Valmy on December 13, 2011, 09:28:19 AM
I have to say the grenade angle is very weird.  Why would they have grenades if they were not a terrorist or paramilitary group of some sort?
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Sheilbh on December 13, 2011, 09:49:33 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 13, 2011, 09:28:19 AM
I have to say the grenade angle is very weird.  Why would they have grenades if they were not a terrorist or paramilitary group of some sort?
And how did they get grenades escaping from a courthouse?  Unless Belgian courts expect significantly fiercer inmates than in the UK.

It's a really weird (and obviously sad) attack.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on December 13, 2011, 10:54:59 AM
More details have emerged :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16161746

Looks like a one-off nutter.............though Amrani appears to be a North African name from my perfunctory google.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: viper37 on December 13, 2011, 11:40:09 AM
Quote from: Grallon on December 13, 2011, 08:03:51 AM
Is Muslim vermin involved?




G.
no, it's because they abolished their gun registry and it's now easier to get a gun than register on Facebook... must be, we were told it would happen in Canada...
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: JonasSalk on December 13, 2011, 12:21:51 PM
http://www.france24.com/en/20111213-italian-far-right-gunman-kills-two-florence

Another shooting in Florence, Italy.

QuoteAFP - An Italian far-right militant Tuesday killed two Senegalese vendors and wounded three people in a shooting spree in broad daylight in Florence after which he was found shot dead, media reported.

It doesn't say how they know he's a "far-right militant." I guess if you kill non-Italians, you're far-right according to AFP.

QuoteAround 200 Senegalese street vendors protested in the city centre after the shootings, crying and shouting "Shame! Shame!" and "Racists!" The vendors knocked over mopeds, rubbish bins and street signs in anger.

Shame on...the one guy who did it? He's a racist, or you're calling other people racists?
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: BVN on December 13, 2011, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 13, 2011, 09:49:33 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 13, 2011, 09:28:19 AM
I have to say the grenade angle is very weird.  Why would they have grenades if they were not a terrorist or paramilitary group of some sort?
And how did they get grenades escaping from a courthouse?  Unless Belgian courts expect significantly fiercer inmates than in the UK.

It's a really weird (and obviously sad) attack.

Sorry, there was an attempted escape in the courthouse at about the same time and the two incidents got mixed up in the confusion after the attack. It was a lone nutter like already mentioned in this thread. He had a record for drugs and illegal possession of weapons and he was suspected of rape. He had a scheduled court meeting today, but apparently he had other plans...

He has no links whatsoever with muslim terrorism.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Valmy on December 13, 2011, 02:04:18 PM
Quote from: BVN on December 13, 2011, 02:01:44 PM
He has no links whatsoever with muslim terrorism.

I didn't mean he was a muslim terrorist necessarily.  I was just wondering why else would you have a grenade if not to take out civilians?
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: BVN on December 13, 2011, 02:23:07 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 13, 2011, 02:04:18 PM
Quote from: BVN on December 13, 2011, 02:01:44 PM
He has no links whatsoever with muslim terrorism.

I didn't mean he was a muslim terrorist necessarily.  I was just wondering why else would you have a grenade if not to take out civilians?

The nutter-angle probably?
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: mongers on December 13, 2011, 04:28:35 PM
Apparently a lone gunman, unrelated to the court break-out, killed 5 and injured 120 before killing himself, named as Nordine Arman and 30something with a crimanal record including guns and drug offences.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: HVC on December 13, 2011, 04:32:13 PM
so two groups just decided to go on a spree at the same place and time?
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Razgovory on December 13, 2011, 06:01:52 PM
Quote from: mongers on December 13, 2011, 04:28:35 PM
Apparently a lone gunman, unrelated to the court break-out, killed 5 and injured 120 before killing himself, named as Nordine Arman and 30something with a crimanal record including guns and drug offences.

Pothead.  Poor grallon, he wanted to get his hate on. :(
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Syt on December 13, 2011, 06:08:17 PM
Quote from: BVN on December 13, 2011, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 13, 2011, 09:49:33 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 13, 2011, 09:28:19 AM
I have to say the grenade angle is very weird.  Why would they have grenades if they were not a terrorist or paramilitary group of some sort?
And how did they get grenades escaping from a courthouse?  Unless Belgian courts expect significantly fiercer inmates than in the UK.

It's a really weird (and obviously sad) attack.

Sorry, there was an attempted escape in the courthouse at about the same time and the two incidents got mixed up in the confusion after the attack. It was a lone nutter like already mentioned in this thread. He had a record for drugs and illegal possession of weapons and he was suspected of rape. He had a scheduled court meeting today, but apparently he had other plans...

He has no links whatsoever with muslim terrorism.

Sounds a bit like the guy who shot a couple of people in court and then blew himself up in Germany in 1994.

There's a movie about him with Christoph Waltz.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111349/plotsummary
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Grallon on December 14, 2011, 11:29:02 AM
Well it turns out, as expected, that the maggot was Moroccan, albeit 2nd generation.




G.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Barrister on December 14, 2011, 11:30:06 AM
Quote from: Grallon on December 14, 2011, 11:29:02 AM
Well it turns out, as expected, that the maggot was Moroccan, albeit 2nd generation.




G.

He was a maggot because he murdered several people and injured hundreds, and not because he was Moroccan, right?
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: PDH on December 14, 2011, 05:48:08 PM
He wasn't even Moroccan, he was Belgian.  Not a muslim, no ties to North Africa, spoke Belgianese.

Grallon seems to think there is something genetic about it, I think.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Martinus on December 14, 2011, 06:07:21 PM
Quote from: PDH on December 14, 2011, 05:48:08 PM
He wasn't even Moroccan, he was Belgian.  Not a muslim, no ties to North Africa, spoke Belgianese.

Grallon seems to think there is something genetic about it, I think.

They say there is a genetic link between faux Frenchness and pedophilia. Marc Detroux, grallon, the list is endless...
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Slargos on December 14, 2011, 06:52:26 PM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fap.mnocdn.no%2Fincoming%2Farticle6721134.ece%2FALTERNATES%2Fw980c169%2FFS00007516.jpg&hash=1b3dae3ceb3ada1708bc2caf965d9df6665f5290)

Ah yes.

"Belgian"

Granted, the Belgians are a swarthy, filthy race.

But come on.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Ed Anger on December 14, 2011, 07:13:07 PM
Looks like Dave Attell.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nndb.com%2Fpeople%2F992%2F000055827%2Fdave-attell-sm.jpg&hash=3db03ea14ad1a4ab67c0a48a6ad525289e3cd125)
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Sheilbh on December 14, 2011, 07:20:46 PM
Looks a bit like Slarg before the protein shakes and workouts :mellow:
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Razgovory on December 14, 2011, 08:20:03 PM
I'm guessing grallon is shifting from simple religious bigotry to racial bigotry.  He needs to stay competitive in the world asshole market.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Grallon on December 14, 2011, 09:20:14 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 14, 2011, 08:20:03 PM
I'm guessing grallon is shifting from simple religious bigotry to racial bigotry.  He needs to stay competitive in the world asshole market.


Get you bigotry categories straight Pilltard...  I'm a cultural supremacist - not a racist.  There's only one race of humans on this planet.  However societies whose roots stem from the Western tradition produce less contemptible individuals, on average, then others.



G.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Razgovory on December 14, 2011, 09:35:41 PM
You have no idea of this man's culture.  Only his ethnic background.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Neil on December 14, 2011, 10:48:34 PM
Quote from: Grallon on December 14, 2011, 09:20:14 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 14, 2011, 08:20:03 PM
I'm guessing grallon is shifting from simple religious bigotry to racial bigotry.  He needs to stay competitive in the world asshole market.
Get you bigotry categories straight Pilltard...  I'm a cultural supremacist - not a racist.  There's only one race of humans on this planet.  However societies whose roots stem from the Western tradition produce less contemptible individuals, on average, then others.
Wouldn't it make sense for you to submit yourself to the superior culture then, which is to say Mine?
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: BVN on December 15, 2011, 05:38:35 AM
Quote from: Slargos on December 14, 2011, 06:52:26 PM

Ah yes.

"Belgian"

Granted, the Belgians are a swarthy, filthy race.

But come on.  :rolleyes:

If his ID says he is Belgian, then he is Belgian. Or are you one of those people that claim Obama isn't American?

And I didn't knew Belgians were a seperate race? We belong to the same swarthy, filthy race as you.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: 11B4V on December 15, 2011, 05:44:38 AM
Quote from: BVN on December 15, 2011, 05:38:35 AM
Quote from: Slargos on December 14, 2011, 06:52:26 PM

Ah yes.

"Belgian"

Granted, the Belgians are a swarthy, filthy race.

But come on.  :rolleyes:

And I didn't knew Belgians were a seperate race?

They're not???? :hmm:
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: BVN on December 15, 2011, 06:05:11 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 15, 2011, 05:44:38 AM
Quote from: BVN on December 15, 2011, 05:38:35 AM
Quote from: Slargos on December 14, 2011, 06:52:26 PM

Ah yes.

"Belgian"

Granted, the Belgians are a swarthy, filthy race.

But come on.  :rolleyes:

And I didn't knew Belgians were a seperate race?

They're not???? :hmm:

You know something I don't? :hmm:
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Razgovory on December 15, 2011, 07:27:11 AM
I thought Belgians were a small people with a pattern of square indentations all over their bodies that taste good with syrup or confectionery sugar.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Slargos on December 15, 2011, 09:39:05 AM
Quote from: BVN on December 15, 2011, 05:38:35 AM
Quote from: Slargos on December 14, 2011, 06:52:26 PM

Ah yes.

"Belgian"

Granted, the Belgians are a swarthy, filthy race.

But come on.  :rolleyes:

If his ID says he is Belgian, then he is Belgian. Or are you one of those people that claim Obama isn't American?

And I didn't knew Belgians were a seperate race? We belong to the same swarthy, filthy race as you.

If your ID says you are a donkey, I will still call you a filthy fucking Belgian.
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 15, 2011, 11:14:16 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 14, 2011, 07:13:07 PM
Looks like Dave Attell.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nndb.com%2Fpeople%2F992%2F000055827%2Fdave-attell-sm.jpg&hash=3db03ea14ad1a4ab67c0a48a6ad525289e3cd125)

The vintage porn guy?
Title: Re: Breaking News - Deadly attack rocks central Liege in Belgium
Post by: Ed Anger on December 15, 2011, 12:56:25 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 15, 2011, 11:14:16 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 14, 2011, 07:13:07 PM
Looks like Dave Attell.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nndb.com%2Fpeople%2F992%2F000055827%2Fdave-attell-sm.jpg&hash=3db03ea14ad1a4ab67c0a48a6ad525289e3cd125)

The vintage porn guy?

Sigh.