Misogynistic dinosaurs. :lol:
http://news.sympatico.ca/oped/coffee-talk/police_advise_girls_not_to_wear_school_uniform_skirts_on_public_transit/d96d4450
QuotePolice advise girls not to wear school uniform skirts on public transit
11/10/2011 1:45:00 AM
by Monica Bugajski
In light of the Toronto police advising private schoolgirls not to wear their uniform skirts on public transit, it's up to us to offer some actual advice on how to deal with sexual harassment in public.
Police in Toronto are telling girls at the Greenwood College private school that in order to avoid a pervert (who harassed two female students by looking up their skirts), they shouldn't wear their school uniforms on public transit. An investigation has been launched in search of the five foot six, skinny, white male with light brown hair and black-framed glasses.
Meanwhile the school's principal, Allan Hardy, has issued an email to the student body and their parents about the incident in which he relays the investigating officer's advice that students, especially females, should consider not wearing their uniforms en route to or from school. Hardy says the viewpoint is not prejudiced because he says that thieves often target uniformed students, both male and female.
Yet it's hard for Hardy to veil the officer's blatant sexism when he passes on the official's viewpoint concerning the incident of harassment. Apparently, the officer doesn't think it's wise for female students to wear skirts on the TTC, since the pervert looks up their skirts. In terms of the two girls who were harassed, he says, "if they had, for example, jeans or sweatpants on, it wouldn't be an issue."
Perhaps this officer was well intentioned when he made these comments, but the "advice" offered provides no security for girls of any age. In fact, it does more to harm us than it does to help us.
When the officer says that there wouldn't be an issue if the girl's hadn't been wearing skirts, the officer is completely brushing aside the fact that there wouldn't be an issue if there hadn't been a pervert.
Law enforcement officials advising young girls not to wear skirts because there are perverts out there are sending the message that in wearing the skirts the girls are to blame for the harassment. Whether they intend to or not, they are reinforcing the belief that women are responsible for the behavior that their clothing provokes in other people.
But believe me, these girls could have been dressed in jeans and sweatpants, and they probably would have still been harassed because the skirts are not the issue, and the girls are not the issue. The issue is the pervert.
If you replace the skirts with pants, the pervert still remains. So, the real problem is sexual harassment, and as a woman, I can tell you that it is a problem. A major problem.
I would also like to add that sexual harassment still occurs in countries where women are completely covered from head to toe, so can we please once and for all drop the illusion that the problem is a woman's attire?
I can tell you from my own experience that this world is a hostile place for a woman and that sexual harassment can occur anywhere, no matter what you are wearing. It feels humiliating, and it's degrading. It needs to end, and the way to do that is to hold the perpetrators, not the victims, accountable for their behavior.
How to deal with sexual harassment
Let's use this as a forum to relay practical and useful advice on how to deal with harassment and how to hold harassers responsible...
Holly Kearl, founder and author of the Stop Street Harassment, offers suggestions on how victims and bystanders should deal with harassment in various situations.
Depending on the safety of the situation, she suggests talking to the perpetrator. In a calm, assertive, non-apologetic manner, name the harasser's behavior, state that it is wrong, tell him to go away, or identify him out loud. For example on a crowded bus we can say, "Man in red shirt. Stop touching me. Step away from me."
Other suggestions include asking a Socratic question like, "Why do you think it's ok to put your hand on my leg?" We can ask the perpetrator whether he would treat his mother/sister/daughter this way or say something along the lines of "I beg your pardon! You must have me confused with someone to whom you think you can speak that way to." We can write down license plate numbers and ask harassers for their names so that we can report them.
When harassment occurs, it is important that we let others know what's going on and report it to the police or transit authorities. If harassed by people while they are on the job, contact their employer and report the date and time the harassment occurred.
As bystanders, we can also work to end harassment through intervention and support. In situations that appear suspect, we can ask if the perpetrator is bothering the victim, if everything is ok, or simply if either the perpetrator or the victim knows the time. As silly as it sounds, distractions and indirect interventions, like asking for the time or directions, are good ways to dilute potentially dangerous situations and avoid big scenes. If a victim has identified her harasser, we must voice our support.
Sexual harassment in public occurs so frequently that many of us fail to see its repercussions, yet it limits a woman's ability to feel safe in public and to go out in public. But it will not end if it's the victims who are constantly told that they are the cause of the problem.
What advice would you offer?
Almost as bad as the recent drive to try and prevent high school cheerleaders from wearing their uniforms during class. :mad:
Quote from: Tonitrus on October 12, 2011, 06:24:25 PM
Almost as bad as the recent drive to try and prevent high school cheerleaders from wearing their uniforms during class. :mad:
I'm laughing at your avatar. :lol:
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 12, 2011, 06:24:53 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on October 12, 2011, 06:24:25 PM
Almost as bad as the recent drive to try and prevent high school cheerleaders from wearing their uniforms during class. :mad:
I'm laughing at your avatar. :lol:
It was inspired by your recent nerve stapling comment. :) :salute:
How ridiculous. You can't own photons.
:uselesswithoutpics:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 12, 2011, 06:14:18 PM
Misogynistic dinosaurs. :lol:
Stop taking gender studies courses.
Quote from: Tonitrus on October 12, 2011, 06:27:05 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 12, 2011, 06:24:53 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on October 12, 2011, 06:24:25 PM
Almost as bad as the recent drive to try and prevent high school cheerleaders from wearing their uniforms during class. :mad:
I'm laughing at your avatar. :lol:
It was inspired by your recent nerve stapling comment. :) :salute:
Don't go....the drones need you!
You know, I just want to say in my defence, that that day I happened to be riding the TTC (Toronto's Metro system) and bent to pick up a token (payment coin used on the TTC) from the floor, when it just happened that said high school girl in uniform skirt shifted her legs, and as it happened my phone fell from my pocket and accidently took a picture.
This, as it happens, happened two or three other times on different days.
But to be labelled a pervert, in all fairness, is a huge example of defamation on the police's part.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 12, 2011, 06:33:49 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on October 12, 2011, 06:27:05 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 12, 2011, 06:24:53 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on October 12, 2011, 06:24:25 PM
Almost as bad as the recent drive to try and prevent high school cheerleaders from wearing their uniforms during class. :mad:
I'm laughing at your avatar. :lol:
It was inspired by your recent nerve stapling comment. :) :salute:
Don't go....the drones need you!
They look up to you...
Aren't the girls wearing those skirts because the school makes them? Could easily be construed as a reason to change school polcy.
Quote from: Ideologue on October 12, 2011, 06:29:27 PM
How ridiculous. You can't own photons.
Communist :mad:
The invisible hand provides the optimal distribution of photons.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on October 12, 2011, 07:06:25 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 12, 2011, 06:29:27 PM
How ridiculous. You can't own photons.
Communist :mad:
The invisible hand provides the optimal distribution of photons.
You can't stop the signal.
Tim, why are you such a fag?
Quote from: Ideologue on October 12, 2011, 07:13:55 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on October 12, 2011, 07:06:25 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 12, 2011, 06:29:27 PM
How ridiculous. You can't own photons.
Communist :mad:
The invisible hand provides the optimal distribution of photons.
You can't stop the signal.
You can drown it out though.
Great, now I'm going to have to find a copy of SMAC and install it.
Quote from: Maximus on October 12, 2011, 08:34:17 PM
Great, now I'm going to have to find a copy of SMAC and install it.
I think they are selling it on gog.
:yes:
http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/sid_meiers_alpha_centauri
Quote from: sbr on October 12, 2011, 09:12:06 PM
:yes:
http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/sid_meiers_alpha_centauri
Only downside of the game, is that I would have liked to have been able to play a game with all the factions involved instead of just seven (I mean the seven added in the expansion). If any game needs to be remade, it's this one.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sid-Meiers-Alpha-Centauri-Complete/dp/B001RIYNF2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1318484075&sr=8-1
£3.81. With expansion, Vista certified.
Quote from: garbon on October 12, 2011, 06:36:42 PM
Aren't the girls wearing those skirts because the school makes them? Could easily be construed as a reason to change school polcy.
I'm pretty sure that the schools can't make them wear the skirts when they're not at school. At least, they couldn't in the states--maybe under Canadian law they can, but I doubt it.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 12, 2011, 09:17:09 PM
Only downside of the game, is that I would have liked to have been able to play a game with all the factions involved instead of just seven (I mean the seven added in the expansion). If any game needs to be remade, it's this one.
It is definitely my favorite game of its type. I always thought it blew Civ away yet Civ keeps getting remade. I guess AC was a commercial failure. Pity.
Quote from: dps on October 13, 2011, 09:46:50 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 12, 2011, 06:36:42 PM
Aren't the girls wearing those skirts because the school makes them? Could easily be construed as a reason to change school polcy.
I'm pretty sure that the schools can't make them wear the skirts when they're not at school. At least, they couldn't in the states--maybe under Canadian law they can, but I doubt it.
If you have to wear something at school, you're going to put it on at home before you leave and take it off at home when you get back, that's just common sense.
Quote from: dps on October 13, 2011, 09:46:50 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 12, 2011, 06:36:42 PM
Aren't the girls wearing those skirts because the school makes them? Could easily be construed as a reason to change school polcy.
I'm pretty sure that the schools can't make them wear the skirts when they're not at school. At least, they couldn't in the states--maybe under Canadian law they can, but I doubt it.
as far as i know the policy of girls only being allowed to wer skirts to catholic school went away in the late 70's. in fact, now-a-days many schools are going the opposite way and removing kilts from the dress code. Much to the woe to the poor catholic school boys :( :P
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 13, 2011, 09:55:35 AM
Quote from: dps on October 13, 2011, 09:46:50 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 12, 2011, 06:36:42 PM
Aren't the girls wearing those skirts because the school makes them? Could easily be construed as a reason to change school polcy.
I'm pretty sure that the schools can't make them wear the skirts when they're not at school. At least, they couldn't in the states--maybe under Canadian law they can, but I doubt it.
If you have to wear something at school, you're going to put it on at home before you leave and take it off at home when you get back, that's just common sense.
:yes:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 13, 2011, 09:55:35 AM
Quote from: dps on October 13, 2011, 09:46:50 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 12, 2011, 06:36:42 PM
Aren't the girls wearing those skirts because the school makes them? Could easily be construed as a reason to change school polcy.
I'm pretty sure that the schools can't make them wear the skirts when they're not at school. At least, they couldn't in the states--maybe under Canadian law they can, but I doubt it.
If you have to wear something at school, you're going to put it on at home before you leave and take it off at home when you get back, that's just common sense.
Well, d'oh. Of course that's convenient, and common sense. But there's nothing that keeps you from changing clothes during the day if you have reason to do so. But that's not the point, anyway--I was mostly trying to make a wisecrack about Canadian law (at which I seemed to have failed--you not getting it doesn't mean anything--I expect lots of stuff to get by you--but apparantly Garbon didn't either, so I probably missed the mark).
Quote from: dps on October 13, 2011, 10:47:19 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 13, 2011, 09:55:35 AM
Quote from: dps on October 13, 2011, 09:46:50 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 12, 2011, 06:36:42 PM
Aren't the girls wearing those skirts because the school makes them? Could easily be construed as a reason to change school polcy.
I'm pretty sure that the schools can't make them wear the skirts when they're not at school. At least, they couldn't in the states--maybe under Canadian law they can, but I doubt it.
If you have to wear something at school, you're going to put it on at home before you leave and take it off at home when you get back, that's just common sense.
Well, d'oh. Of course that's convenient, and common sense. But there's nothing that keeps you from changing clothes during the day if you have reason to do so. But that's not the point, anyway--I was mostly trying to make a wisecrack about Canadian law (at which I seemed to have failed--you not getting it doesn't mean anything--I expect lots of stuff to get by you--but apparantly Garbon didn't either, so I probably missed the mark).
I ignored that part as it seemed irrelevant. -_-
Most Catholic schools here are pretty much fading the kilts away in favour of skorts--skirts with insetted shorts. And, in any case, most schools require girls to wear gym shorts beneath the kilts.
Quote from: Josephus on October 13, 2011, 12:34:03 PM
Most Catholic schools here are pretty much fading the kilts away in favour of skorts--skirts with insetted shorts. And, in any case, most schools require girls to wear gym shorts beneath the kilts.
I see we have an expert. :D
Quote from: Josephus on October 13, 2011, 12:34:03 PM
Most Catholic schools here are pretty much fading the kilts away in favour of skorts--skirts with insetted shorts. And, in any case, most schools require girls to wear gym shorts beneath the kilts.
at my school we had a self appointed spanks checker. she'd randomly demand to see if girls were wearing their shorts :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on October 13, 2011, 12:42:42 PM
Quote from: Josephus on October 13, 2011, 12:34:03 PM
Most Catholic schools here are pretty much fading the kilts away in favour of skorts--skirts with insetted shorts. And, in any case, most schools require girls to wear gym shorts beneath the kilts.
I see we have an expert. :D
:Embarrass: Catholic school veteran. :blush:
Quote from: Josephus on October 13, 2011, 03:29:07 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 13, 2011, 12:42:42 PM
Quote from: Josephus on October 13, 2011, 12:34:03 PM
Most Catholic schools here are pretty much fading the kilts away in favour of skorts--skirts with insetted shorts. And, in any case, most schools require girls to wear gym shorts beneath the kilts.
I see we have an expert. :D
:Embarrass: Catholic schoolgirl underwear veteran. :blush:
FYP. :P
Quote from: Malthus on October 13, 2011, 03:53:42 PM
Quote from: Josephus on October 13, 2011, 03:29:07 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 13, 2011, 12:42:42 PM
Quote from: Josephus on October 13, 2011, 12:34:03 PM
Most Catholic schools here are pretty much fading the kilts away in favour of skorts--skirts with insetted shorts. And, in any case, most schools require girls to wear gym shorts beneath the kilts.
I see we have an expert. :D
:Embarrass: Catholic schoolgirl underwear veteran. :blush:
FYP. :P
Hey, whatever feels comfortable.
Bring in the slut parade. Oh wait...
I have heard of schools at home icreasingly doing away with skrts. I remember when I was at shool they were rather rare on all but the slaggiest girls.
Hell, even Japan is modernising somewhat, traditional sailor suits/fetish fodder being replaced with bland western style uniforms- still no choice for girls but skirts though