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Cain: Racism not holding anyone back
(CNN) - Presidential candidate Herman Cain said Sunday that he didn't believe racism was a major factor holding minorities back in America, asserting instead that African Americans had a level playing field on which to advance economically.
"I don't believe racism in this country today holds anybody back in a big way," Cain said on CNN's "State of the Union." "Are there some elements of racism? Yes. It gets back to if we don't grow this economy, that is a ripple effect for every economic level, and because blacks are more disproportionately unemployed, they get hit the worst when economic policies don't work. That's where it starts."
Cain, the former CEO of Godfather's Pizza, said educational disparity and geographical separation were to blame for high unemployment rates among African Americans. Jobs numbers released Friday showed the unemployment rate among African Americans standing at 16.0%, while the total national unemployment rate remained at 9.1%.
"The gap is due to a number of factors," Cain said. "One is a differential in education. Two is a concentration of a lot of blacks in certain areas like the city of Detroit, where the unemployment rate there is 14% versus the 9.1% we have nationally. So you have a city like Detroit where they lost 25% of their population, economically they've done nothing but go down, down, down."
When asked by CNN Chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley if he thought African Americans had a level playing field, Cain said he thought most of them did, using his own experience in corporations as an example.
"Many of them do have a level playing field," Cain said. "I absolutely believe that. Not only because of the businesses that I have run, which has had the combination of whites, blacks, Hispanics - you know, we had a total diversity. But also because of the corporations whose board I've served on for the last 20 years. I have seen blacks in middle management move up to top management in some of the biggest corporations in America."
As for African Americans who remain economically disadvantaged, Cain said they often only had themselves to blame.
"They weren't held back because of racism," Cain said. "People sometimes hold themselves back because they want to use racism as an excuse for them not being able to achieve what they want to achieve."
Discusssss....
So basically he just said blacks are unemployed because they're unemployable, not because of racism. Well, I still want my pizza, so I guess I'll vote for him.
Quote from: Ideologue on October 09, 2011, 06:46:27 PM
So basically he just said blacks are unemployed because they're unemployable, not because of racism.
No.
Quote from: Ideologue on October 09, 2011, 06:46:27 PM
So basically he just said blacks are unemployed because they're unemployable, not because of racism. Well, I still want my pizza, so I guess I'll vote for him.
As much as I don't have good feelings about the man, I think there is a nuance to what he is saying. He is saying that black people aren't disadvantaged today because of current racism but rather because they have been historically disadvantaged and that leaves them in a bad place. Continuing on his thought - racism played a role in why they were historically disadvantaged and that disadvantage has carried into today (weaker starting positions) but isn't perpetuated by racism.
So the Party of the South says that racism is not a problem? Well, why shouldn't we believe them?
Quote from: Razgovory on October 09, 2011, 07:35:35 PM
So the Party of the South says that racism is not a problem? Well, why shouldn't we believe them?
You shouldn't. You should evaluate the evidence for yourself and come to your own conclusion.
<_<
Southern Democrats in Senate:
Mark Pryor
Bill Nelson
Mary Landrieu
Kay Hagan
Jim Webb
Mark Warner
Both parties are national coalitions. The majority of Republicans aren't Southerners and the majority of Southerners aren't Republicans.
Bah. See, Grumbler, this one successfully trolled me unlike that post by Marty you chided me for responding to the other day.
Why are you doing Raz's research for him?
Quote from: garbon on October 09, 2011, 07:08:10 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 09, 2011, 06:46:27 PM
So basically he just said blacks are unemployed because they're unemployable, not because of racism. Well, I still want my pizza, so I guess I'll vote for him.
As much as I don't have good feelings about the man, I think there is a nuance to what he is saying. He is saying that black people aren't disadvantaged today because of current racism but rather because they have been historically disadvantaged and that leaves them in a bad place. Continuing on his thought - racism played a role in why they were historically disadvantaged and that disadvantage has carried into today (weaker starting positions) but isn't perpetuated by racism.
Well, fair enough, although I think that's pretty wrong too.
I'd double-check those "majority of southerners aren't republican" numbers.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 09, 2011, 08:10:03 PM
Both parties are national coalitions. The majority of Republicans aren't Southerners and the majority of Southerners aren't Republicans.
Perhaps in the sense that not close to all Southerners vote, so ~55-60%* of voting Southerners therefore cannot form a majority. -_-
*And I'd say the value for voting white Southerners is closer to like 75%.
In Princesca's family, the majority of folks whose party affiliations I know are registered Democrats, but almost always vote Republican. :hmm: The one exception is her grandfather, who is a Democrat and who always votes that way because "the Republicans don't care about the workin' man." :)
Quote from: Caliga on October 09, 2011, 08:33:42 PM
In Princesca's family, the majority of folks whose party affiliations I know are registered Democrats, but almost always vote Republican. :hmm: The one exception is her grandfather, who is a Democrat and who always votes that way because "the Republicans don't care about the workin' man." :)
He's a politically savvy man and you should listen to him.
Quote from: ulmont on October 09, 2011, 08:32:05 PM
I'd double-check those "majority of southerners aren't republican" numbers.
Raztistics state that it is highly unlikely that the majority of the population in the South are registered GOP members. :smarty:
Quote from: Ideologue on October 09, 2011, 08:34:48 PM
He's a politically savvy man and you should listen to him.
Ok. :) Another one of his strongly-held positions, on immigration, is that "The Cubans should go back to Cuba, the Mexicans should go back to Mexico, and the niggers should go back to Africa." :smarty:
He is a politically unsavvy man and you should not listen to him.
Quote from: Habbaku on October 09, 2011, 08:38:10 PM
He is a politically unsavvy man and you should not listen to him.
Yes. :(
Quote from: Habbaku on October 09, 2011, 08:35:11 PM
Quote from: ulmont on October 09, 2011, 08:32:05 PM
I'd double-check those "majority of southerners aren't republican" numbers.
Raztistics state that it is highly unlikely that the majority of the population in the South are registered GOP members. :smarty:
I'm not a registered Democrat either. I guess this means I'm an Independent. -_-
In truth, he's a Southern Democrat. The dude is 91, so his brain is stuck in the pre-Civil Rights era, politically and in other ways. For example, he still thinks that "Buicks are the best damn cars on the road today." :bleeding:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 09, 2011, 08:10:03 PM
<_<
Southern Democrats in Senate:
Mark Pryor
Bill Nelson
Mary Landrieu
Kay Hagan
Jim Webb
Mark Warner
Both parties are national coalitions. The majority of Republicans aren't Southerners and the majority of Southerners aren't Republicans.
Bah. See, Grumbler, this one successfully trolled me unlike that post by Marty you chided me for responding to the other day.
Which one is from your state?
Quote from: Caliga on October 09, 2011, 08:41:57 PM
In truth, he's a Southern Democrat. The dude is 91, so his brain is stuck in the pre-Civil Rights era, politically and in other ways. For example, he still thinks that "Buicks are the best damn cars on the road today." :bleeding:
I test drove a Buick once. I actually rather liked it. I probably would've even bought it if it didn't have some bad cosmetic problems (which could eventually have turned into actual problems) with a gash in the door.
Quote from: ulmont on October 09, 2011, 08:32:05 PM
I'd double-check those "majority of southerners aren't republican" numbers.
Independents + democrats > republicans almost everywhere
Not all states make you register your party.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 09, 2011, 09:08:47 PM
Quote from: ulmont on October 09, 2011, 08:32:05 PM
I'd double-check those "majority of southerners aren't republican" numbers.
Independents + democrats > republicans almost everywhere
Uh-huh. And how do the voting numbers come out again...keeping in mind that in the South you don't normally register by party, so you only know who's who each November?
Quote from: Jaron on October 09, 2011, 06:40:17 PM
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Cain: Racism not holding anyone back
(CNN) - Presidential candidate Herman Cain said Sunday that he didn't believe racism was a major factor holding minorities back in America, asserting instead that African Americans had a level playing field on which to advance economically.
"I don't believe racism in this country today holds anybody back in a big way," Cain said on CNN's "State of the Union." "Are there some elements of racism? Yes. It gets back to if we don't grow this economy, that is a ripple effect for every economic level, and because blacks are more disproportionately unemployed, they get hit the worst when economic policies don't work. That's where it starts."
Cain, the former CEO of Godfather's Pizza, said educational disparity and geographical separation were to blame for high unemployment rates among African Americans. Jobs numbers released Friday showed the unemployment rate among African Americans standing at 16.0%, while the total national unemployment rate remained at 9.1%.
"The gap is due to a number of factors," Cain said. "One is a differential in education. Two is a concentration of a lot of blacks in certain areas like the city of Detroit, where the unemployment rate there is 14% versus the 9.1% we have nationally. So you have a city like Detroit where they lost 25% of their population, economically they've done nothing but go down, down, down."
When asked by CNN Chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley if he thought African Americans had a level playing field, Cain said he thought most of them did, using his own experience in corporations as an example.
"Many of them do have a level playing field," Cain said. "I absolutely believe that. Not only because of the businesses that I have run, which has had the combination of whites, blacks, Hispanics - you know, we had a total diversity. But also because of the corporations whose board I've served on for the last 20 years. I have seen blacks in middle management move up to top management in some of the biggest corporations in America."
As for African Americans who remain economically disadvantaged, Cain said they often only had themselves to blame.
"They weren't held back because of racism," Cain said. "People sometimes hold themselves back because they want to use racism as an excuse for them not being able to achieve what they want to achieve."
Discusssss....
It's true. There's even a black president FFS.
One you can be confident of, is if African-Americans would behave as if what Herman Cain said were true (regardless of it's actual truth) then African-Americans would be better off. The problem here is that in sociology it is very very difficult to separate correlation from causation. What does get my skepty-senses tingling is Cain's almost casual and anecdotal dismissal of the numbers.
Quote from: Viking on October 10, 2011, 01:34:42 AM
What does get my skepty-senses tingling is Cain's almost casual and anecdotal dismissal of the numbers.
How's that? He doesn't dismiss the differential in unemployment rate, he provides an alternative explanation.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2011, 01:47:56 AM
Quote from: Viking on October 10, 2011, 01:34:42 AM
What does get my skepty-senses tingling is Cain's almost casual and anecdotal dismissal of the numbers.
How's that? He doesn't dismiss the differential in unemployment rate, he provides an alternative explanation.
Well, he specifically did not do the math.
In Soviet Russia, math does you
Quote from: Tamas on October 10, 2011, 04:29:47 AM
In Soviet Russia, math does you
In Libertarian America, you don't bother doing math.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 09, 2011, 08:10:03 PM
Bah. See, Grumbler, this one successfully trolled me unlike that post by Marty you chided me for responding to the other day.
That Raz is a troll is a self-evident truth. No need to point it out. He uses the Yicratic method, but isn't Yi.
Quote from: ulmont on October 09, 2011, 10:03:13 PM
Uh-huh. And how do the voting numbers come out again...keeping in mind that in the South you don't normally register by party, so you only know who's who each November?
You do in Florida, Louisiana, and North Carolina. In each of those states, there are more registered Democrats than Republicans.
If you want to define anybody who votes for the GOP in the Presidential races as a Republican, then sure, they'd be the majority. But then Berkut is a Democrat. :lol:
Does something need to be done on the Federal level in this area these days anyway? I am not so sure we already have laws guaranteeing equal rights and outlawing discrimination based on race and so forth.
Quote from: Valmy on October 10, 2011, 07:55:53 AM
Does something need to be done on the Federal level in this area these days anyway? I am not so sure we already have laws guaranteeing equal rights and outlawing discrimination based on race and so forth.
Stopping snitching would help.
Quote from: The Brain on October 10, 2011, 08:10:42 AM
Stopping snitching would help.
The Stitches and Walkers Act?
Quote from: grumbler on October 10, 2011, 07:46:17 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 09, 2011, 08:10:03 PM
Bah. See, Grumbler, this one successfully trolled me unlike that post by Marty you chided me for responding to the other day.
That Raz is a troll is a self-evident truth. No need to point it out. He uses the Yicratic method, but isn't Yi.
Aren't you a Herman fanboy or something? Were you the one who said how impressive he was?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 10, 2011, 07:47:09 AM
Quote from: ulmont on October 09, 2011, 10:03:13 PM
Uh-huh. And how do the voting numbers come out again...keeping in mind that in the South you don't normally register by party, so you only know who's who each November?
You do in Florida, Louisiana, and North Carolina. In each of those states, there are more registered Democrats than Republicans.
Yeah, and it becomes clear those numbers don't mean anything.
(R) (D)
Florida: 4,012,498 4,562,792
Louisiana 763,266 1,408,535
North Carolina 1,940,177 2,716,913 [/quote]
So, per registration, Democrats in Louisiana would be winning statewide 2:1. Yet that doesn't happen; quite the opposite.
dixiecrat =/= democrat
Quote from: Viking on October 10, 2011, 03:40:29 AM
Well, he specifically did not do the math.
What math? I don't know what you're talking about.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2011, 02:38:01 PM
Quote from: Viking on October 10, 2011, 03:40:29 AM
Well, he specifically did not do the math.
What math? I don't know what you're talking about.
He referred to some mitigating factors. He just implied that these mitigating factors were sufficient to make up the difference. He did not do the math (with publicly available statistics) to demonstrate that the mitigating factors were actually sufficient to make up the difference.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 10, 2011, 08:26:08 AM
Aren't you a Herman fanboy or something? Were you the one who said how impressive he was?
he does have the most impressive resume of any non-Mormon candidate.
Quote from: ulmont on October 10, 2011, 02:21:32 PM
Yeah, and it becomes clear those numbers don't mean anything.
They mean more people think of themselves as Democrats than Republicans, voting record be damned.
However, my contention doesn't go that far. I'd agree that Republicans have a plurality of voters in the South. But not a majority. Independents form the balance here same as everywhere else.
Quote from: Viking on October 10, 2011, 02:50:00 PM
He referred to some mitigating factors. He just implied that these mitigating factors were sufficient to make up the difference. He did not do the math (with publicly available statistics) to demonstrate that the mitigating factors were actually sufficient to make up the difference.
Gotcha.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 10, 2011, 02:51:02 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 10, 2011, 08:26:08 AM
Aren't you a Herman fanboy or something? Were you the one who said how impressive he was?
he does have the most impressive resume of any non-Mormon candidate.
In that he never screwed up anything in public office?
Quote from: Viking on October 10, 2011, 02:31:31 PM
dixiecrat =/= democrat
Yeah, it means "Republican," at least for the last 20 years. Realignment is over and done; ticket-splitting is a thing of the past.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 10, 2011, 03:01:44 PM
However, my contention doesn't go that far. I'd agree that Republicans have a plurality of voters in the South. But not a majority. Independents form the balance here same as everywhere else.
I'll accept that. Of course, you realize that most "Independents" consistently vote for one or the other of the two major parties...