http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?562607-AHD-DD1-%E2%80%93-A-House-Divided
Odds of this being terrible? About 99/100.
If those corny "jokes" are anything to go by. -_-
Also, I like that they picked screenshots that show a bugged feature. :D
Arizona, New Mexico and Border States WTF?
Quote from: garbon on October 02, 2011, 07:15:48 PM
If those corny "jokes" are anything to go by. -_-
Also, I like that they picked screenshots that show a bugged feature. :D
It's amateur hour over at Paradox of late.
No need for snide remarks. You can't have a finished game without a third expansion pack, and you can't have a third expansion pack without a first expansion pack. Let's give these guys a chance.
Quote from: garbon on October 02, 2011, 07:15:48 PM
If those corny "jokes" are anything to go by. -_-
Also, I like that they picked screenshots that show a bugged feature. :D
Yeah, the first comment was "You broke the minimap?" I find that statement hilariously incredulous. I'll buy this when I buy the rest of Victoria II. After they released the complete pack + 1.
I would have preferred
Victoria II: Workers of the World - Unite!
which improves pop mechanics and promotions
Quote from: Viking on October 02, 2011, 08:11:20 PM
I would have preferred
Victoria II: Workers of the World - Unite!
which improves pop mechanics and promotions
Who was it who got a warning with me for pointing out that this would only make everything worse? I think Dguller.
I got a warning for sticking up for some Languishite. I don't remember what the issue was, though.
Quote from: DGuller on October 02, 2011, 09:52:08 PM
I got a warning for sticking up for some Languishite. I don't remember what the issue was, though.
I got banned from a thread for using the word "Balkantard". So, the standard for suppression is pretty low.
Quote from: Viking on October 02, 2011, 09:54:04 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 02, 2011, 09:52:08 PM
I got a warning for sticking up for some Languishite. I don't remember what the issue was, though.
I got banned from a thread for using the word "Balkantard". So, the standard for suppression is pretty low.
I think that term is in the Oxford English Dictionary.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 03, 2011, 01:13:51 AM
Quote from: Viking on October 02, 2011, 09:54:04 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 02, 2011, 09:52:08 PM
I got a warning for sticking up for some Languishite. I don't remember what the issue was, though.
I got banned from a thread for using the word "Balkantard". So, the standard for suppression is pretty low.
I think that term is in the Oxford English Dictionary.
I googled Balkantard and the top 4/5 hits in Google were either Languish or Paradox.
Quote from: Viking on October 03, 2011, 01:27:28 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 03, 2011, 01:13:51 AM
Quote from: Viking on October 02, 2011, 09:54:04 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 02, 2011, 09:52:08 PM
I got a warning for sticking up for some Languishite. I don't remember what the issue was, though.
I got banned from a thread for using the word "Balkantard". So, the standard for suppression is pretty low.
I think that term is in the Oxford English Dictionary.
I googled Balkantard and the top 4/5 hits in Google were either Languish or Paradox.
Quote from: Google's first result
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:lmfao:
Quote from: Viking on October 03, 2011, 01:27:28 AM
I googled Balkantard and the top 4/5 hits in Google were either Languish or Paradox.
We are ahead of the curve then.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on October 03, 2011, 01:30:20 AM
Quote from: Viking on October 03, 2011, 01:27:28 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 03, 2011, 01:13:51 AM
Quote from: Viking on October 02, 2011, 09:54:04 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 02, 2011, 09:52:08 PM
I got a warning for sticking up for some Languishite. I don't remember what the issue was, though.
I got banned from a thread for using the word "Balkantard". So, the standard for suppression is pretty low.
I think that term is in the Oxford English Dictionary.
I googled Balkantard and the top 4/5 hits in Google were either Languish or Paradox.
Quote from: Google's first result
Gunman kills five plus self in Finland
languish.org/forums/index.php?topic=3327.15
9 posts - 6 authors - Last post: Jan 2, 2010
But yeah, funny how killing people over domestic disputes/"family honor" seems to be a Muslim Balkantard trait. Tell me why Kosovo should be ...
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:lmfao:
we are awesome! :lol:
as for the expansion: :yawn:
When I searched said term - this thread was the top hit...
Quote from: Habbaku on October 02, 2011, 07:10:27 PM
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?562607-AHD-DD1-%E2%80%93-A-House-Divided
Odds of this being terrible? About 99/100.
Myeh.
Odds of it being great I'd say are less than 1/100 but odds of it being terrible....maybe 10/100? At the least it should make Vicky 2 a bit better....though worth the price of admission? Doubtful.
Just one question - will the economic model be fixed?
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2011, 05:43:26 PM
Just one question - will the economic model be fixed?
I think you already know the answer to that.
Is it :lmfao: ? :huh:
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2011, 05:43:26 PM
Just one question - will the economic model be fixed?
Possibly in the same way a dog taken to the vet to get neutered is "fixed".
:weep:
Wait Arizona, New Mexico, and the Indian territories are all CSA but Missouri, West Virginia, and Kentucky are not...in 1861? :rolleyes:
I mean I know these guys are Swedes and all...
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2011, 10:49:47 AM
Wait Arizona, New Mexico, and the Indian territories are all CSA but Missouri, West Virginia, and Kentucky are not...in 1861? :rolleyes:
I mean I know these guys are Swedes and all...
I don't think Missouri, West Virginia or Kentucky were CSA in 1861. Missouri and Kentucky declared their neutrality (though in Missouri's case the governor was plotting with the CSA).
Quote from: Razgovory on October 06, 2011, 11:13:37 AM
I don't think Missouri, West Virginia or Kentucky were CSA in 1861. Missouri and Kentucky declared their neutrality (though in Missouri's case the governor was plotting with the CSA).
West Virginia was as it was part of Virginia. The Yankees had to at least march in and take it over, though it wasn't hard.
I am just saying that Kentucky and Missouri were at least were partially controlled by the CSA unlike those western territories.
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2011, 11:18:57 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 06, 2011, 11:13:37 AM
I don't think Missouri, West Virginia or Kentucky were CSA in 1861. Missouri and Kentucky declared their neutrality (though in Missouri's case the governor was plotting with the CSA).
West Virginia was as it was part of Virginia. The Yankees had to at least march in and take it over, though it wasn't hard.
I am just saying that Kentucky and Missouri were at least were partially controlled by the CSA unlike those western territories.
I think Kentucky became partially controlled when the CSA invaded. Missouri had sympathizers but were quickly rounded up or clobbered. I suppose you could say that parts of the State were controlled by the CSA at some times, but in the same way that parts of Pennsylvania were controlled by the CSA in 1863.
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2011, 10:49:47 AM
Wait Arizona, New Mexico, and the Indian territories are all CSA but Missouri, West Virginia, and Kentucky are not...in 1861? :rolleyes:
I mean I know these guys are Swedes and all...
They were mainly showing that there are new mapmode buttons, scenario is nowhere near in finished form. CSA will not be so westward in future.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 06, 2011, 12:00:27 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2011, 11:18:57 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 06, 2011, 11:13:37 AM
I don't think Missouri, West Virginia or Kentucky were CSA in 1861. Missouri and Kentucky declared their neutrality (though in Missouri's case the governor was plotting with the CSA).
West Virginia was as it was part of Virginia. The Yankees had to at least march in and take it over, though it wasn't hard.
I am just saying that Kentucky and Missouri were at least were partially controlled by the CSA unlike those western territories.
I think Kentucky became partially controlled when the CSA invaded. Missouri had sympathizers but were quickly rounded up or clobbered. I suppose you could say that parts of the State were controlled by the CSA at some times, but in the same way that parts of Pennsylvania were controlled by the CSA in 1863.
There were also Unionist holdouts in the South. Not very many IIRC.
:nerd:
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on October 06, 2011, 02:37:05 PM
There were also Unionist holdouts in the South. Not very many IIRC.
East Tennessee was. In most of the South they weren't very vocal because of the confederate policy of brutally murdering anyone who disagreed with them.
Quote from: Gaius Marius on October 06, 2011, 12:46:12 PM
They were mainly showing that there are new mapmode buttons, scenario is nowhere near in finished form. CSA will not be so westward in future.
Ah good.
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2011, 04:55:03 PM
Ah good.
Myself and other betas report map setup errors whenever we find them, 1861 will be an accurate setup of the world (within the existing nation tags)
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2011, 04:55:03 PM
Quote from: Gaius Marius on October 06, 2011, 12:46:12 PM
They were mainly showing that there are new mapmode buttons, scenario is nowhere near in finished form. CSA will not be so westward in future.
Ah good.
Yes, listen to one of P'dox's amateur mouthpieces. He said that they were mainly showing the new mapmode buttons - the same ones that they didn't even have new graphics for and the map was glitched with a few floating images.
Quote from: garbon on October 07, 2011, 02:47:59 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2011, 04:55:03 PM
Quote from: Gaius Marius on October 06, 2011, 12:46:12 PM
They were mainly showing that there are new mapmode buttons, scenario is nowhere near in finished form. CSA will not be so westward in future.
Ah good.
Yes, listen to one of P'dox's amateur mouthpieces. He said that they were mainly showing the new mapmode buttons - the same ones that they didn't even have new graphics for and the map was glitched with a few floating images.
Even to the extent that what he says is accurate, the beta-testers reporting map errors is a different thing than Paradox actually fixing them after they're reported. Rumor has it that a lot of the map problems in past games were caught by the beta-testers, but their reports were ignored. Not just map problems, but those really stick out because unlike such things as balance or stability, the map is the same no matter what your ability as a player or the specifics of your computer.
Please quit building sailing ship factories in 1890. I'd prefer liquor or something else please. :mad:
I hope they get rid of that stupid feature where you can only seize an entire state, not just one province. That shit makes my borders look ugly. :mad:
Quote from: Fireblade on October 08, 2011, 10:12:50 AM
I hope they get rid of that stupid feature where you can only seize an entire state, not just one province. That shit makes my borders look ugly. :mad:
That sounds better then what it was in first game where AI would give you all the provinces of the state except the one with the capital in it. That was really annoying.
On the list of game-breaking annoying stuff in Vicky 2, this one doesn't break the top 100.
Quote from: garbon on October 07, 2011, 02:47:59 PM
Yes, listen to one of P'dox's amateur mouthpieces. He said that they were mainly showing the new mapmode buttons - the same ones that they didn't even have new graphics for and the map was glitched with a few floating images.
Considering that you've spoken with me on MSN before, I find the allegation of being some kinda spokesperson for anyone but my own self and opinions to be a stupid one on your part.
I'm sorry for you. :(
Why were you guys speaking on MSN?
Quote from: Razgovory on October 08, 2011, 10:50:53 PM
Why were you guys speaking on MSN?
He mistyped. We were actually speaking to the MSM. :ph34r:
Quote from: AnchorClanker on October 07, 2011, 04:11:23 PM
Please quit building sailing ship factories in 1890. I'd prefer liquor or something else please. :mad:
Agreed, nothing worse than a sober sailor.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 06, 2011, 03:21:57 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on October 06, 2011, 02:37:05 PM
There were also Unionist holdouts in the South. Not very many IIRC.
East Tennessee was. In most of the South they weren't very vocal because of the confederate policy of brutally murdering anyone who disagreed with them.
ET and West Virginia were the big places. Worth noting that eventually union regiments were formed from every southern state except SC, if what I recall reading somewhere was correct. Not sure if most of them woulda been black regiments though.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 10, 2011, 12:06:27 PM
Quote from: AnchorClanker on October 07, 2011, 04:11:23 PM
Please quit building sailing ship factories in 1890. I'd prefer liquor or something else please. :mad:
Agreed, nothing worse than a sober sailor.
Ideally, I want both. Or rather, I want whatever is in demand to be built. Again. Ideally, everything could be made to stay in demand. Even clippers, which could still transition into other things than a mainstay of the navy. But then, I just mod things and make the best suggestions that come out of modding. As I suggested in my reply to garbon, its my own preferences that get put into my suggestions.
While we are on the subject of ideally, ideally i'll see the lot of you applying if Paradox decides to have some kinda recruiting process for a new beta. Nothing cures a case of backseat beta testing better than spending time inside the wire. And hey, some of you clearly know what you're talking about for this historical time period, we can use all the help we can get with our modding guru from V1 OHgamer on the MIA list.
OHgamer is MIA? :w00t: You sure know how to perk Languish's ears up.
Quote from: Gaius Marius on October 14, 2011, 04:46:12 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 06, 2011, 03:21:57 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on October 06, 2011, 02:37:05 PM
There were also Unionist holdouts in the South. Not very many IIRC.
East Tennessee was. In most of the South they weren't very vocal because of the confederate policy of brutally murdering anyone who disagreed with them.
ET and West Virginia were the big places. Worth noting that eventually union regiments were formed from every southern state except SC, if what I recall reading somewhere was correct. Not sure if most of them woulda been black regiments though.
Generally, mountains = Unionism. Northwest Arkansas was a big Unionist stronghold, too. Most of the Civil War here consisted of hillbillies up in the mountains raiding cotton plantations down in the lowlands, with the occasional Yankee army marching through without resistance fucking shit up.
I like the new War Justification system.
Are there any mods for Vicky 2 as it is now worth playing? Preferably mods that unfuck some of the broken dynamics, rather than the one that adds a "Croatian takes a leak in the Serbian public bathroom" event?
Quote from: DGuller on October 14, 2011, 11:33:24 AM
Are there any mods for Vicky 2 as it is now worth playing? Preferably mods that unfuck some of the broken dynamics, rather than the one that adds a "Croatian takes a leak in the Serbian public bathroom" event?
Do you know how many hours of research I put into that damn event?
Quote from: DGuller on October 14, 2011, 07:54:47 AM
OHgamer is MIA? :w00t: You sure know how to perk Languish's ears up.
His music sucks.
Quote from: DGuller on October 14, 2011, 07:54:47 AM
OHgamer is MIA? :w00t: You sure know how to perk Languish's ears up.
Yes, i'm well aware that you guys only know the OT mod OHgamer who Paradox tells to ban people for stepping outta line by the tiniest fraction. But OHgamer the modder and betatester is invaluable to have on the team. I could never have "remade" (insofar as was possible) Victoria Revolutions campaign after campaign to keep the interest of my MP community without many questions and answers exchanged with him about anything and everything.
Quote from: DGuller on October 14, 2011, 11:33:24 AM
Are there any mods for Vicky 2 as it is now worth playing? Preferably mods that unfuck some of the broken dynamics, rather than the one that adds a "Croatian takes a leak in the Serbian public bathroom" event?
PDM probably has more balance issues than vanilla has, or will have soon, since they're mucking about with all kinds of province and resource changes. But Naselus understands the game and i suspect the current PDM is eminently playable for a singleplayer run. Not so much for multiplayer, last time anyone in my community tried a campaign with it they concluded the extra OOS that suddenly appeared was due to the sheer number of new country events and decisions. Of course, i'm not as down on the current 1.4b as most are, probably the effect of insider info. A few significant issues relating to assimilation, nationalist rebels and bureaucrat bloat, but otherwise the vanilla system is about as working as intended as it it meant to be.
Myself, i'm working on a new version of my modifications package that we've been using in the last few campaigns. I've been working on improving it both for SP and MP, particularly with regards to restricting the money supply and improving the AI's choices in tech research. I've put a focus on balancing promotion and demotion by factors and limiting unemployment. I've even generated a demand for steel without adding any new factories. I'm not really a fan of the economy being based mostly on either promotion (the current version of mod, which I was compelled to implement), or demotion (the vanilla system) But i'm just an amateur yet. Got lots of interesting new inventions though, some different ones from PDM even.
Too much bantering though. If any of you would like to pick up an ongoing game, we have a few un-annexed nations in south america and such that might prove playable still (enforcing an infamy limit house rule does wonders!)
So, what happened to OHGamer?
Hopefully drowned in a barrel of pink dye.
Quote from: DGuller on October 14, 2011, 11:33:24 AM
Are there any mods for Vicky 2 as it is now worth playing? Preferably mods that unfuck some of the broken dynamics, rather than the one that adds a "Croatian takes a leak in the Serbian public bathroom" event?
The Pop Demand Mod does a pretty good job, although the developer's got some IMO biases.
Quote from: Faeelin on October 15, 2011, 07:16:11 PM
The Pop Demand Mod does a pretty good job, although the developer's got some IMO biases.
Such as . . .
Quote from: Threviel on October 15, 2011, 10:23:10 AM
So, what happened to OHGamer?
I think real life simply took over his paradoxing time.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 17, 2011, 10:36:52 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on October 15, 2011, 07:16:11 PM
The Pop Demand Mod does a pretty good job, although the developer's got some IMO biases.
Such as . . .
The most obvious examples are that America never industrializes to anything near its OTL equivalent, and that the author thinks the Ottoman Empire was a decrepit wreck from 1836 until 1918.. But it makes the game fun, which is a damn improvement over vanilla Viccy 2.
Quote from: Faeelin on October 21, 2011, 08:10:34 AM
The most obvious examples are that America never industrializes to anything near its OTL equivalent, and that the author thinks the Ottoman Empire was a decrepit wreck from 1836 until 1918.. But it makes the game fun, which is a damn improvement over vanilla Viccy 2.
You mean the Ottoman Empire wasn't a decrepit wreck from 1836 to 1918? Call me inquisitive.
Quote from: Drakken on October 21, 2011, 12:14:21 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on October 21, 2011, 08:10:34 AM
The most obvious examples are that America never industrializes to anything near its OTL equivalent, and that the author thinks the Ottoman Empire was a decrepit wreck from 1836 until 1918.. But it makes the game fun, which is a damn improvement over vanilla Viccy 2.
You mean the Ottoman Empire wasn't a decrepit wreck from 1836 to 1918? Call me inquisitive.
Hey, Inquisitive!
Quote from: Gaius Marius on October 20, 2011, 07:34:14 PM
Quote from: Threviel on October 15, 2011, 10:23:10 AM
So, what happened to OHGamer?
I think real life simply took over his paradoxing time.
So... Good for him I guess.
Not good for those of us who are into modding Pdox games, as he's an excellent and persistent advocate of making as many features moddable as possible.
Find an advocate that's not a total cunt.
Quote from: Faeelin on October 21, 2011, 08:10:34 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 17, 2011, 10:36:52 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on October 15, 2011, 07:16:11 PM
The Pop Demand Mod does a pretty good job, although the developer's got some IMO biases.
Such as . . .
The most obvious examples are that America never industrializes to anything near its OTL equivalent, and that the author thinks the Ottoman Empire was a decrepit wreck from 1836 until 1918.. But it makes the game fun, which is a damn improvement over vanilla Viccy 2.
The problem is (and this is with V1 and vanilla V2) that only California draws immigrants for the USA. All the places that actually HAD immigrants (New York, Boston, Philly/Pittsburg, and Chicago) don't get shit once America acquires Cali and the immigrants start flooding in. If I weren't totally over Vicky, I'd mod some events that would drastically lower California's draw for immigrants and keep those areas sky-high. I mean, California had the gold rush, but it didn't start getting tons and tons of people until the Great Depression and WW2.
Quote from: Drakken on October 21, 2011, 12:14:21 PM
You mean the Ottoman Empire wasn't a decrepit wreck from 1836 to 1918? Call me inquisitive.
Hrm. Anyone at Gallipoli we can ask about the decrepit Ottomans?
Quote from: Faeelin on October 25, 2011, 09:04:14 PM
Quote from: Drakken on October 21, 2011, 12:14:21 PM
You mean the Ottoman Empire wasn't a decrepit wreck from 1836 to 1918? Call me inquisitive.
Hrm. Anyone at Gallipoli we can ask about the decrepit Ottomans?
:huh:
Quote from: Faeelin on October 25, 2011, 09:04:14 PM
Quote from: Drakken on October 21, 2011, 12:14:21 PM
You mean the Ottoman Empire wasn't a decrepit wreck from 1836 to 1918? Call me inquisitive.
Hrm. Anyone at Gallipoli we can ask about the decrepit Ottomans?
I think they still lost that war. And the one before that. And the one before that...
Quote from: Razgovory on October 25, 2011, 09:31:55 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on October 25, 2011, 09:04:14 PM
Quote from: Drakken on October 21, 2011, 12:14:21 PM
You mean the Ottoman Empire wasn't a decrepit wreck from 1836 to 1918? Call me inquisitive.
Hrm. Anyone at Gallipoli we can ask about the decrepit Ottomans?
I think they still lost that war. And the one before that. And the one before that...
Germany lost last war. And the one before that...
it doesn't say anything about being such a state
Oh, I think it does. The Nazi state was deeply dysfunctional. It's not like Germany lost the two world wars due to an act of God.
Quote from: Faeelin on October 25, 2011, 09:04:14 PM
Quote from: Drakken on October 21, 2011, 12:14:21 PM
You mean the Ottoman Empire wasn't a decrepit wreck from 1836 to 1918? Call me inquisitive.
Hrm. Anyone at Gallipoli we can ask about the decrepit Ottomans?
Wow they held some ground in WWI. If you were willing to sacrifice tons of your people to do it that was no large task...I mean unless you are Romania.
Quote from: Faeelin on October 25, 2011, 09:04:14 PM
Quote from: Drakken on October 21, 2011, 12:14:21 PM
You mean the Ottoman Empire wasn't a decrepit wreck from 1836 to 1918? Call me inquisitive.
Hrm. Anyone at Gallipoli we can ask about the decrepit Ottomans?
Mel's insane and not credible.
The Ottomans were at least able to take the Levant from the Egyptians, which never happens in-game.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on October 26, 2011, 09:12:45 PM
The Ottomans were at least able to take the Levant from the Egyptians, which never happens in-game.
Historically, the Ottomans required aggressive intervention from Britain to save their bacon. That and succession problems allowed the Ottomans to retake control.
And they didn't even eat bacon.
Quote from: Valmy on October 26, 2011, 03:29:15 PM
Wow they held some ground in WWI. If you were willing to sacrifice tons of your people to do it that was no large task...I mean unless you are Romania.
People don't think that the Kaiserreich was a decrepit, backwards power, despite getting its ass kicked and starving in the World War.
I don't think the Ottomans were a superpower, but the fact that it fell in the same war that saw the Austro-Hungarians, Russia, and the German Empire collapse makes me think that the problem was that the Empire was inherently weak.
No, I think their performance in the Balkan war and the Italian-Ottoman war indicated they were inherently weak. They just happened to have been destroyed in the same war as better run states. Germany simply suffered from a hapless foreign policy.
Quote from: Faeelin on October 27, 2011, 10:22:04 PM
People don't think that the Kaiserreich was a decrepit, backwards power, despite getting its ass kicked and starving in the World War.
The Kaiserreich almost bled France to death, with next to no help, while Turkey was barely able to hold their empire against a ragtag bunch of Balkantards and Arabs loosely supported by the British.
Small difference indeed.
Quote from: Drakken on October 28, 2011, 01:24:38 PM
The Kaiserreich almost bled France to death, with next to no help, while Turkey was barely able to hold their empire against a ragtag bunch of Balkantards and Arabs loosely supported by the British.
Are we counting Russians as Balkantards, now?
Quote from: Habbaku on October 28, 2011, 02:34:31 PM
Quote from: Drakken on October 28, 2011, 01:24:38 PM
The Kaiserreich almost bled France to death, with next to no help, while Turkey was barely able to hold their empire against a ragtag bunch of Balkantards and Arabs loosely supported by the British.
Are we counting Russians as Balkantards, now?
The Russians on the Balkan and the Caucasus fronts were Balkan- and Caucasustards respectively.
The Russians didn't really engage the Turks in the Balkans, though--that was primarily an Austrian/German conflict with some minor Turkish assistance.
Quote from: Habbaku on October 28, 2011, 02:34:31 PM
Quote from: Drakken on October 28, 2011, 01:24:38 PM
The Kaiserreich almost bled France to death, with next to no help, while Turkey was barely able to hold their empire against a ragtag bunch of Balkantards and Arabs loosely supported by the British.
Are we counting Russians as Balkantards, now?
They failed to hold back the Balkantards in 1912. Turkey was in bad shape, though losing the war was probably for the best. While Turkey is not the nicest place to live in the world it has been spared the turmoil that so devastated and humiliated its Muslim neighbors. Compared to say, Iran or Egypt, the Turks have had a smooth ride.
I think I probably misinterpreted Drakken's statement as referring to solely WW I. I am well aware of the Balkan Wars and their effects on the creaking Ottomans.
Quote from: Habbaku on October 28, 2011, 10:51:05 PM
creaking Ottomans.
I think this is mostly an American problem.
Quote from: Habbaku on October 28, 2011, 10:24:32 PM
The Russians didn't really engage the Turks in the Balkans, though--that was primarily an Austrian/German conflict with some minor Turkish assistance.
AFAIK, there weren't any Turkish-Russian battles in the Balkans in WWI. There were some Russian troops that took part in the Romanian campaign, but not any Turks that I'm aware of. I believe there were some Russian troops involved in the Salonika campaign (not sure on that), but I don't think they saw any action against the small number of Turks involved.
I have been accepted into the beat team. :unsure: I'm going to have to cut down on both Paradox and Vicky bashing for the foreseeable future. :(
Is it at least a college beat team?
:face:
Damn Beatniks. :mad:
Quote from: DGuller on November 02, 2011, 03:50:51 PM
I have been accepted into the beat team. :unsure: I'm going to have to cut down on both Paradox and Vicky bashing for the foreseeable future. :(
The Beet team? Is this something that Tamas has set up?
You people are merciless. :cry: You're not even people, you're jackals. :mad:
And the beat goes on! ;)
Quote from: DGuller on November 03, 2011, 09:33:13 AM
You people are merciless. :cry: You're not even people, you're jackals. :mad:
They have you beat.
I just asked for it, didn't I? :(
Beat it!
Quote from: DGuller on November 03, 2011, 09:33:13 AM
You people are merciless. :cry: You're not even people, you're jackals. :mad:
No they're not.
Can you put in a good word for me?
I too have to wonder on the mod situation, despite there being no answer to the last asker, I'm tempted to play vic 2 again, but hopefully something better than vanilla.
There seem to be several offering better balancing and this random world generator looks intruiging.