I shoulda bought that G8 when I had the chance. Now they will become: collector's items. :(
QuotePontiac: End of the road
General Motors is preparing to announce that the Pontiac car brand -- once marketed as GM's "Excitement division" -- will be killed off, according to a source familiar with the decision. CNNMoney.com reports that an official announcement is expected Monday. GM spokesman Jim Hopson declined to comment on Pontiac's fate, saying the automaker has no announcements to make at this time.
Wouldn't they rebadge the good stuff? I'm sure that there are a couple of good cars among the crap brands being on the chopping block.
Quote from: DGuller on April 24, 2009, 03:29:09 PM
Wouldn't they rebadge the good stuff? I'm sure that there are a couple of good cars among the crap brands being on the chopping block.
There's already a lot of crosspollination of models - even between completely different companies. The Pontiac Vibe is a Toyota Matrix with a different logo on it, for example.
Quote from: fahdiz on April 24, 2009, 03:35:18 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 24, 2009, 03:29:09 PM
Wouldn't they rebadge the good stuff? I'm sure that there are a couple of good cars among the crap brands being on the chopping block.
There's already a lot of crosspollination of models - even between completely different companies. The Pontiac Vibe is a Toyota Matrix with a different logo on it, for example.
Well, sure. Engineers knew what the most efficient aerodynamic shape was decades ago -- now it's just a matter of inching car design towards the Ideal. In another 30 or 40 years every new car in the world will look almost identical...
Quote from: C.C.R. on April 24, 2009, 04:03:20 PM
Well, sure. Engineers knew what the most efficient aerodynamic shape was decades ago -- now it's just a matter of inching car design towards the Ideal. In another 30 or 40 years every new car in the world will look almost identical...
Well, there are different requirements for cars too - some need to be larger and seat more people than others do. As long as the car you buy is still as much a fashion/style statement as it is a practicality, there will be variance in car designs.
Good riddance.
Pontiac was the worse for trying to have a "sporty" image by all kinds of plastic tacked on to the body, useless spoilers and scoops, all built on a car mechanically identical to everything else GM made.
:(
Even if a Chevy is basically the same thing, It won't be the same, it won't be the same. :(
G8 sure did look nice though. :cry:
Quote from: C.C.R. on April 24, 2009, 04:03:20 PMIn another 30 or 40 years every new car in the world will look almost identical...
Don't they already? :unsure:
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 24, 2009, 05:31:34 PM
G8 sure did look nice though. :cry:
It also had a nice interior and drove well. But alas I felt it was too cramped for my monstrous frame.
Quote from: fahdiz on April 24, 2009, 04:05:24 PM
Well, there are different requirements for cars too - some need to be larger and seat more people than others do. As long as the car you buy is still as much a fashion/style statement as it is a practicality, there will be variance in car designs.
So they'll all look the same in terms of Shape, but come in different colors with different size engines. Or something...
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 24, 2009, 05:55:26 PM
Don't they already? :unsure:
They'll look much more samerer...
They killed Oldsmobile a few years ago...so I guess Chev is all they have now?
Quote from: Josephus on April 24, 2009, 06:38:15 PM
They killed Oldsmobile a few years ago...so I guess Chev is all they have now?
Cadillac
Buick
Saturn
Saab (trying desparately to sell)
GMC
I would've thought Saturn and Buick would go before Pontiac.
Wow, there goes my 1968 Pontiac GTO Convertible; metalic green. Great car. Those days are long gone, and now no hope of returning, bringing those back!
Quote from: Barrister on April 24, 2009, 06:48:10 PM
Quote from: Josephus on April 24, 2009, 06:38:15 PM
They killed Oldsmobile a few years ago...so I guess Chev is all they have now?
Cadillac
Buick
Saturn
Saab (trying desparately to sell)
GMC
I would've thought Saturn and Buick would go before Pontiac.
I thought Saturn was killed also? As for Buick, you'd probably be right except for the fact that Chinamen love them for some odd reason.
Quote from: Barrister on April 24, 2009, 06:48:10 PM
Quote from: Josephus on April 24, 2009, 06:38:15 PM
They killed Oldsmobile a few years ago...so I guess Chev is all they have now?
Cadillac
Buick
Saturn
Saab (trying desparately to sell)
GMC
I would've thought Saturn and Buick would go before Pontiac.
Saturn, Saab, and GMC are on the way out. Why would they want to ditch Buick, though? I don't think Buick is going to go, Chinese still eat that shit up.
GMC is staying.
GM's "core" brands are : GMC, Buick, Cadillac & Chevy.
Not so sure about GMC. There is a lot of duplication between GMC and Chevy, and Obama's administration is asking GM to make a case for GMC staying.
Quote from: C.C.R. on April 24, 2009, 04:03:20 PMEngineers knew what the most efficient aerodynamic shape was decades ago.
Indeed :wub:
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:mmm:
Meh, Pontiac died sometime around 1974. About time they finally bury it.
Even having both Buick and Cadillac is a bit silly.
Quote from: DGuller on April 24, 2009, 08:05:49 PM
Not so sure about GMC. There is a lot of duplication between GMC and Chevy, and Obama's administration is asking GM to make a case for GMC staying.
Plus, GMC is all trucks, and American automakers need to end their dependence on truck sales.
I wasn't aware of any particular fondness for Buicks on the part of the Chinese, but IMO it would have made more sense to kill Buick than Pontiac; actually I though Buick should have gone before Oldsmobile.
Quote from: dps on April 24, 2009, 09:53:09 PM
Plus, GMC is all trucks, and American automakers need to end their dependence on truck sales.
I wasn't aware of any particular fondness for Buicks on the part of the Chinese, but IMO it would have made more sense to kill Buick than Pontiac; actually I though Buick should have gone before Oldsmobile.
while they need to watch their reliance on truck sales, trucks are still a big seller. They hardly want to eliminate selling trucks.
I :wub: my truck BTW, even if made by the Japs.
Quote from: Barrister on April 24, 2009, 10:04:59 PM
Quote from: dps on April 24, 2009, 09:53:09 PM
Plus, GMC is all trucks, and American automakers need to end their dependence on truck sales.
I wasn't aware of any particular fondness for Buicks on the part of the Chinese, but IMO it would have made more sense to kill Buick than Pontiac; actually I though Buick should have gone before Oldsmobile.
while they need to watch their reliance on truck sales, trucks are still a big seller. They hardly want to eliminate selling trucks.
I :wub: my truck BTW, even if made by the Japs.
To be sure. But why have duplicate truck manufacturers in the same company?
Too bad, Pontiac had some nice looking cars.
Quote from: Neil on April 24, 2009, 09:52:50 PM
Even having both Buick and Cadillac is a bit silly.
How will I get my Cadillac Escalade Hybrid?
Quote from: Caliga on April 24, 2009, 02:48:18 PM
I shoulda bought that G8 when I had the chance.
Get a BMW 3 series. Looks very similar.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 24, 2009, 08:58:16 PM
Quote from: C.C.R. on April 24, 2009, 04:03:20 PMEngineers knew what the most efficient aerodynamic shape was decades ago.
Indeed :wub:
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:mmm:
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As far as aerodynamics go, this is has better aerodynamics than e.g. the Prius or Iorm's C6 and it doesn't look like shit. :P
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Quote from: Zanza2 on April 25, 2009, 12:37:53 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 24, 2009, 02:48:18 PM
I shoulda bought that G8 when I had the chance.
Get a BMW 3 series. Looks very similar.
No, the BMW 3 is a bit smaller. I ended up getting this:
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Quote from: Zanza2 on April 25, 2009, 05:06:14 AM
As far as aerodynamics go, this is has better aerodynamics than e.g. the Prius or Iorm's C6 and it doesn't look like shit. :P
Yeah, but it's a German car. They're not very good.
Quote from: Zanza2 on April 25, 2009, 05:06:14 AM
As far as aerodynamics go, this is has better aerodynamics than e.g. the Prius or Iorm's C6 and it doesn't look like shit. :P
Meh. The C6 has soul while Mercedes are uniformly bland. They are overpriced cars for boring old men (and Mono's wife). I'd never buy one.
Quote from: Iormlund on April 25, 2009, 07:22:13 AMMeh. The C6 has soul while Mercedes are uniformly bland. They are overpriced cars for boring old men (and Mono's wife). I'd never buy one.
Wait until you are a boring old man. :P
I'd like to have this new Mercedes that'll come out in 2010: ;)
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Quote from: Zanza2 on April 25, 2009, 07:29:42 AM
Wait until you are a boring old man. :p
Nevar!! :o
That one doesn't look that bad, sort of like a Lotus infected with Merc's radiator grill.
Quote from: Neil on April 25, 2009, 07:18:50 AM
Quote from: Zanza2 on April 25, 2009, 05:06:14 AM
As far as aerodynamics go, this is has better aerodynamics than e.g. the Prius or Iorm's C6 and it doesn't look like shit. :P
Yeah, but it's a German car. They're not very good.
They WERE good... then they started manufacturing them in South Carolina and Alabama. :bleeding:
Quote from: Caliga on April 25, 2009, 08:10:21 AMThey WERE good... then they started manufacturing them in South Carolina and Alabama. :bleeding:
Most models are still made in Germany. Mercedes manufactures their SUVs and some kind of van in Tuscaloosa, BMW builds SUVs and a roadster in Spartanburg. For those car models the US is the biggest market.
However, Mercedes had some quality issues in the late 90s, early 2000s. But nowadays they have supposedly bounced back in quality.
Quote from: Barrister on April 24, 2009, 06:48:10 PM
Cadillac
Buick
Saturn
Saab (trying desparately to sell)
GMC
I would've thought Saturn and Buick would go before Pontiac.
Saturn's on the chopping block, they're stopping Saturn production on Dec 31st, IIRC.
Quote from: Zanza2 on April 25, 2009, 08:48:04 AMHowever, Mercedes had some quality issues in the late 90s, early 2000s. But nowadays they have supposedly bounced back in quality.
Yeah, one of my co-workers has a Mercedes E-class wagon and the thing has nonstop mechanical problems.